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Re: Hyde My Paine
Mon 24 Jul 2017, 7:02 am
Beauties Stan, thanks, I am sharing them on FB!
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Re: Hyde My Paine
Tue 25 Jul 2017, 8:35 am
Ah yes. The famous "Impression of the Impression" routine. Classic!
Representative FORD - I think it would be helpful if you gave your impression of his impression.
Mr. JENNER - Of his impression.
Mrs. PAINE - All right. This I have learned since the assassination. he didn't give me this impression as at the time we didn't talk that much.
Mr. JENNER - Please, you are not giving us your impression of his impression on this occasion, but rather your impression of what he said to you after the assassination.
Mrs. PAINE - You still want it?
Representative FORD - I think it is important.
Mr. DULLES - Let us hear it.
Mrs. PAINE - He said--you must understand, that not living together we talked together very little. I am sure he would have given me his impression if we had been having dinner together the next day afterwards, you see- He went over and Marina was not yet ready. He thought that Lee was somewhat thoughtless. While doing absolutely nothing to help her get ready, get the baby's things together, prepare himself, he was quite impatient, thought she should be ready, and gave orders while he himself sat down and talked to Michael, and Michael carried the impression that Lee was somewhat thoughtless.
Mr. DULLES - What did you do? That was about a half hour--what did you do during that period?
Mrs. PAINE - I was at the house preparing the dinner.
Mr. DULLES - You were at home?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes. It has to be my impression of his impressions. I don't recall the evening too well, the evening of the second. I do recall we certainly had dinner together. I can't recall what the predominant language was. Lee and Michael, of course, talked in English. Not wanting to exclude her entirely from the conversation, I made opportunity to talk with her in Russian after the meal was over. She and I did the dishes and talked in Russian, and we were in the kitchen while Michael was talking to Lee in English in the living room, so I do not know what was said then between the two of them.
Mr. JENNER - How did your husband get along with Lee Oswald?
Mrs. PAINE - Well, you probably have something on that.
Mr. JENNER - What was your impression? I want your impression of how your husband got along.
Mrs. PAINE - Okay. He was initially very interested in learning what sort of man this was who had taken such a dramatic and unusual step to go to the Soviet Union and attempt to renounce his citizenship. He thought here is a person that must have thought things out for himself, a very individualistic person, not a follower of the masses, and he wanted to hear what the ideology was that led Lee to this step.
Michael has told me that he very soon felt that there wasn't much ideology or thought, foundation. That Michael had thought he might be able to learn from this man something and find at least good thinking going on or inquiry, but he didn't find it. He rather found very rigid adherence to a few Principles such as the principle of the capitalist exploiting the worker, and that this was a great moral failing of the capitalistic society. Michael's own feeling was that Lee's view of morality was very different from Michael's.
Mr. JENNER - In what respect, Mrs. Paine?
Mrs. PAINE - Michael recalls having--now, this is later. This is not that evening. Did you expect it was? This is answering your question of Michael's impression of Lee.
Mr. JENNER - I wanted his initial impression.
Mrs. PAINE - All initial impressions. Well, I have passed that. I have gone considerably past it, in fact.
Representative FORD - I think it would be helpful if you gave your impression of his impression.
Mr. JENNER - Of his impression.
Mrs. PAINE - All right. This I have learned since the assassination. he didn't give me this impression as at the time we didn't talk that much.
Mr. JENNER - Please, you are not giving us your impression of his impression on this occasion, but rather your impression of what he said to you after the assassination.
Mrs. PAINE - You still want it?
Representative FORD - I think it is important.
Mr. DULLES - Let us hear it.
Mrs. PAINE - He said--you must understand, that not living together we talked together very little. I am sure he would have given me his impression if we had been having dinner together the next day afterwards, you see- He went over and Marina was not yet ready. He thought that Lee was somewhat thoughtless. While doing absolutely nothing to help her get ready, get the baby's things together, prepare himself, he was quite impatient, thought she should be ready, and gave orders while he himself sat down and talked to Michael, and Michael carried the impression that Lee was somewhat thoughtless.
Mr. DULLES - What did you do? That was about a half hour--what did you do during that period?
Mrs. PAINE - I was at the house preparing the dinner.
Mr. DULLES - You were at home?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes. It has to be my impression of his impressions. I don't recall the evening too well, the evening of the second. I do recall we certainly had dinner together. I can't recall what the predominant language was. Lee and Michael, of course, talked in English. Not wanting to exclude her entirely from the conversation, I made opportunity to talk with her in Russian after the meal was over. She and I did the dishes and talked in Russian, and we were in the kitchen while Michael was talking to Lee in English in the living room, so I do not know what was said then between the two of them.
Mr. JENNER - How did your husband get along with Lee Oswald?
Mrs. PAINE - Well, you probably have something on that.
Mr. JENNER - What was your impression? I want your impression of how your husband got along.
Mrs. PAINE - Okay. He was initially very interested in learning what sort of man this was who had taken such a dramatic and unusual step to go to the Soviet Union and attempt to renounce his citizenship. He thought here is a person that must have thought things out for himself, a very individualistic person, not a follower of the masses, and he wanted to hear what the ideology was that led Lee to this step.
Michael has told me that he very soon felt that there wasn't much ideology or thought, foundation. That Michael had thought he might be able to learn from this man something and find at least good thinking going on or inquiry, but he didn't find it. He rather found very rigid adherence to a few Principles such as the principle of the capitalist exploiting the worker, and that this was a great moral failing of the capitalistic society. Michael's own feeling was that Lee's view of morality was very different from Michael's.
Mr. JENNER - In what respect, Mrs. Paine?
Mrs. PAINE - Michael recalls having--now, this is later. This is not that evening. Did you expect it was? This is answering your question of Michael's impression of Lee.
Mr. JENNER - I wanted his initial impression.
Mrs. PAINE - All initial impressions. Well, I have passed that. I have gone considerably past it, in fact.
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Re: Hyde My Paine
Thu 27 Jul 2017, 7:24 am
Great stuff, Stan.
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The truth. No; by nature man is more afraid of the truth than of death...For man is a social animal – only in the herd is he happy. It is all one to him whether it is the profoundest nonsense or the greatest villainy – he feels completely at ease with it, so long as it is the view of the herd, or the action of the herd, and he is able to join the herd. (Soren Kierkegaard)
So let us not talk falsely now. The hour is getting late. (Bob Dylan)
Re: Hyde My Paine
Fri 04 Aug 2017, 10:26 am
I have a feeling St Pete would fit right in here...
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Australians don't mind criminals: It's successful bullshit artists we despise.
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The Cold War ran on bullshit.
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"I've been aware of Greg Parker's work for years, and strongly recommend it." Peter Dale Scott
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