Update to Anatomy Of The Second Floor Lunch Room Encounter

First topic message reminder :

http://www.prayer-man.com/new-updates-to-2nd-floor-encounter-paper/

I have added a fair amount of photos, newspaper articles and some docs since the April release.

This female says that a self-closing door—a door that in every known picture is shown in the closed position, a door that must be opened by an actor in the late 1963 Secret Service Reenactment Film in order to pass through it—this female says that this door was always open. "I've never seen it closed." 

A brazen, demonstrable lie.

Yeah, and Lee always ate in that Second Floor lunchroom, didn't he? He had only worked there for a few weeks, but that was enough time to establish a clear, subversive pattern where he was always there and he was always alone, and he was always reading weird-looking material that other nosy females like Karen could see and detect.

And of course, that nutless gelding interviewing her on behalf of the Sixth Floor Museum, an institution whose purpose is to perpetuate the Official Narrative, lets her say anything, as long as the Official Narrative isn't challenged. And who would ever be so rude as to challenge Karen?

I want to puke.

Think they might be aware of PM, Stan?
Reckon it makes them a little nervous?
I do.

steely dan wrote:Think they might be aware of PM, Stan?
Reckon it makes them a little nervous?
I do.

I do too.

The truth will come out eventually.

It WILL.

I fucking hate liars.

PM will bring the whole house of cards crashing down.

Never saw the door closed but there it is from inside the lunchroom, as closed as Fort Knox and with a fucking door closer holding it there. It's mocking to anyone who knows better. That must be the intent after all.

Got his little 'Domino Room or whatever' mistake in there too. The 2nd floor Lunchroom was NEVER known to ANYONE as the Domino Room. 

More obfuscation going over the BL on the steps is not Oswald, as if any fool who ever looked at it once, doesn't know already. Well Prayer Man isn't Billy f'ing Lovelady, SO WHAT? PM is LHO and people who know it, KNOW it.

I think that she made a mistake by thinking the door of the fake vestibule was the lunch room door. The actual lunch room door is photographed open. It is human error on a detail. Had this been the case then Baker's Glimpse is even more bollox than it already was.
Fagin makes a mistake w attributing the Domino room name to the 2flr and she makes a mistake w Lee being in there. If someone else else says so that it might hold some ground, but we know that it doesn't since several others said he was on 1st in the actual Domino room on the first floor when having his lunch. And he himself said so.
Once Brian Doyle is crushed by the evidence with the ID of Gloria Calvery, a redhead as described by Karen Westbrook.
Check her out here: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/149407954/gloria-jean-calvery
Running woman is NOT Gloria Galvery.
Also this horse manure sold by Larsen and Graves at EF about G.C. going up the stairs in Darnell is a dead dodo as well.

She did make the mistake on which door she was talking about, but it's so superficial, as encouraged by the 'host' who seems to be playing the fool.

My review
http://www.prayer-man.com/living-history-with-karen-westbrook-scranton/

Bill Kelley is still at it.........

None of the four witnesses on the stairs and fourth and fifth floor landings saw or heard anyone go down those stairs in the two minutes after the last shots were fired, and would have if anyone descended those steps at that time.


3)     Ninety seconds after the shooting Marion Baker arrived at the top of the steps on the second floor landing and saw Oswald through the square foot window of the closed lunchroom door. The door had to be closed or Baker would not have been able to see through the window, as physics and geometric law prescribes. And if Oswald had gone through that door a few seconds before Baker saw him, then building manager Roy Truly, who was a few seconds in front of Baker, would have seen him go through the door, and didn’t. But alas, there is another door to the lunchroom, one from the secretary’s office, the one Oswald left through, and the one he came in, coming up from the first floor, where he was last seen.


The blog post is called "Problems With Dave Perry", perhaps I should make one called" My problem with Bill Kelley......"
http://jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/problems-with-dave-perry.html

How nice of Bill to rehash his failed arguments so they can be straightened.
Bill must appreciate us.
BK starts off with a supposition of a lunchroom encounter and slowly degrades to supporting it with further suppositions.
Hardly a quality presentation.
Too bad no one knew or included this facet when reporting that days events.
Of course BK starts off with:
"At 12:15, when the motorcade was supposed to be at Dealey Plaza, but was running fifteen minutes late, a number of people on the street saw the man with a rifle on the sixth floor, at a time when Oswald was seen on the first floor. If not Oswald, who was that guy?"
Hey BK, guess what, It was boxes,
and none of the "people on the street" saw a sniper, a man firing a rifle, an active shooter... BK doesn't get that part.

Cheers, Ed

Now Tommy Graves has joined the PM is Stanton bandwagon.

Right where he belongs Vinny.
Cheers, Ed

Old JFK Lancer forum thread "Was Oswald Stopped at the TSBD Front Entrance"
https://web.archive.org/web/20071010164126/http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=3&topic_id=62483&mesg_id=62483&page=5

barto wrote:Old JFK Lancer forum thread "Was Oswald Stopped at the TSBD Front Entrance"
https://web.archive.org/web/20071010164126/http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=3&topic_id=62483&mesg_id=62483&page=5

"What makes Harry Holmes such a valuable witness is that he was not a DPD, Secret Service or F.B.I. insider. In short, he didn't know what to leave out." Sean Murphy

Sean is spot on. And we can add to that, that he was the only one there NOT trained in the Reid interrogation technique. 

Funny how some things pan out.. rightly or wrongly, Holmes is vilified by most for his role in the tracing of the weapons and the apparent chicanery with the PO boxes. Yet here, he is unquestionably, the accidental hero - even if unrecognized by the vast majority who are still hypnotized by the 2nd floor smoke and mirrors.

The second floor smoke and mirrors Larry Trotter, so firmly believes in..... ha ha ha ha ha

More Lancer threads on the waybackmachine.

Did Baker Truly meet Oswald?


"Baker's First Glimpse Of Oswald"

Gilbride and his crap essays....

Now with that nutcase Doyle's rubbish Stanton interview included.

And we larfed....oh we larfed......
http://www.prayer-man.com/richard-gilbride-refuses-to-learn/

Barto, for the benefit of Lady Di, can you post the screen shot that Ed took (last post in the Art Gallery thread) where Stinky admits he made up the buttons....and point out how Brian can't accept it It would be cool to bitch slap Brian on the VERY forum he's desperate to post on.

I will have to dig it out, dinner first with missus so either later tonight or first thing tomoz.

barto wrote:Gilbride and his crap essays....

Now with that nutcase Doyle's rubbish Stanton interview included.

And we larfed....oh we larfed......
http://www.prayer-man.com/richard-gilbride-refuses-to-learn/

He's a bit miffed about the lack of comments. I'd say he got lucky...

Surprising! After all, as he reminds us: no one else in this research community has worked on this issue than hisseslf.

barto wrote:Mr. LOVELADY - Any floor; I mean he didn't have no business in the office. I mean, or to if, say, like Mr. Truly would say "Okay, Lee, go up and give me a certain something from the office," he could go up there.


Without permission workers had no biz on the 2nd fl.

Mr Truly @ 12:10 on his way outside: Lee, looks like it's pretty warm outside. I calculate I will need a refreshing Coca Cola right on 12:30, so will you please go on up to the second floor @ 12:28:17 on the ol' dotteroo and grab one for me. I haven't got any money to hand though, so be a good chap and use one of the notes from your pay envelope to get change for it, and I'll owe you one. Yessiree Bob. 

Top 10 Reasons Lovelady Can't Be Right:

Lovelady later became a habitual jaywalker

Karen Westbrook said Lee ate on the second floor lunch room every day - and some days they even let him get off the floor and use a chair

LarryFrothinImage will be very sad if Lee ate anywhere else

Lee was a CIA Agent and therefore had special 2nd floor lunchroom privileges, which didn't at all make anyone suspicious

The book companies were all KGB fronts and Warren Caster was Lee's case officer

Lovelady is a poophead

It was really HARVEY who ate on the second floor lunchroom floor while LEE ate in the domino room, which accounts for all the evidence of LEE not eating on the second floor lunch room floor

Robert Groden has a new witness, even newer than the last new witness - this newer witness is a Mrs Jeraldeen Read. As soon as she is dead, she can come forward

Roy Lewis is a poophead

Bri-Bri Doyle is a certifiable genius. ask him - he'll tell you. According to Bri-Bri, Lovelady had spent 6 hours prior to his testimony listening to the B side of Little Peggy March's I will Follow Him on repeat while smoking something called Sanibel Gold.

You forgot Harvey was giving Lee a reach around every day in the so called sniper's nest.....