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    Post by The Prodigal Son on Mon 10 Nov 2014, 12:18 am

    Excerpt from The Unsinkable Marguerite Oswald by Harold Feldman printed in the September, 1964, edition of The Realist:

    If the cocksure rogues who planned to condemn Lee Harvey Oswald as the lone assassin of President Kennedy had known his mother better, things would have been different. Certainly they would have taken pause and, perhaps, looked around for another “patsy.”

    Now they have her on their trail, and they snarl at her from all sides with malice and menace. Their literary agents cannot write three lines about her without suggesting that the only proper place for this aging Antigone who cries for justice for her murdered son is an asylum or a grave.

    Yes, there is a touch of the prima donna about Marguerite Oswald as she garners some egoistic comfort from her isolation. Here and there she responds to the icy deafness of the dominations and powers with extravagant suspicion and speculation. But if Ibsen is right and the strongest is the one who stands alone for integrity and honor, then Marguerite Oswald is the strongest woman in America. One thing is sure for anyone who knows about her life and knows her—she is a brave, bold and good woman.

    I first saw her in action on Saturday morning, June 27. I arrived in Dallas with two friends the day before to review the historical landmarks of the Kennedy assassination, and a brief telephone call to Lee Harvey Oswald’s mother in Fort Worth brought an invitation to guide us on a tour of Oak Cliff. That is the section of Dallas where her son is said to have killed Patrolman J. D. Tippit, where be was captured three quarters of an hour after the policeman’s death, an hour and a half after sniper bullets had blasted the President.

    The first surprise was her voice. Even I, who was skeptical of the government reports about the Dallas mayhem from the start, was led by newspaper accounts to expect a gruff paranoid harridan. What I heard instead was a pleasant ladylike welcome—not a trace of cautious ambiguity, not a second of hesitation in the warm courtesy that carried within in it only a faint suggestion of loneliness.

    Marguerite Oswald is 56 years old but there is hardly a wrinkle on her round pink-cheeked face. Short, plump, even dumpy, her avoirdupois only indicates what Norman Mailer calls “happy fat.” Her face and figure are lively souvenirs of what must have been a pretty vivacious girlhood, and the added weight, horn-rimmed bifocals, and salt-and-pepper hair pulled back into a knot have only turned it into an agreeable matronliness.

    Mrs. Oswald was a $10-a-day practical nurse when the President’s murder turned her into the fighting defender of the Oswald family honor (she was fired a few days later); it is easy to imagine her busy about a sick room, cajoling, comforting, chatting, and standing for no nonsense about taking one’s nux vomica.
    The part of Oak Cliff where Lee Oswald lived and J. D. Tippit died is a deteriorating neighborhood whose large houses have turned into so many rooms for low rent. Our tour came several days after the newspapers reported how Oswald was prevented from starting a homicidal career with Richard Nixon only by his wife locking him in his room.

    We went to the rooming house near 8th and Neely where Lee and Marina lived at the time. Marguerite was admitted with sympathetic deference and she went form room to room, pointing out that none of the doors had ever had locks on them.

    Life Goes to a Darkroom


    Before we left, she photographed the fence against which Lee was supposed to be standing when he had his picture taken for future reference, holding a rifle, a gun, and a Bolshevik newspaper. “Look here,” she said, and pointed to the bottom of the fence, obviously very different from what appeared on the dubious cover of Life.

    After we located the spot on E. 10th St. where Tippit was found dead, we walked about a block and a half to the home of Helen Louise Markham. She is the one who, the reports say, was the lone witness to that shooting. Oak Cliff almost becomes a slum there. Mrs. Markham lives in a small apartment above a barber shop and she was pacing back and forth, her infant grand-daughter in her arms, when we arrived.
    No, she could not talk to us now, she had to mind the baby. We offered to pay for a baby-sitter. No again, but could we return at 2:15 when her husband would be home and we could talk freely. Helen Markham is still young—but shabby, beaten, and spiritless, Mrs. Oswald spontaneously reached for the baby and held her for a moment.

    At 2:15 we plowed through the Turkish-bath afternoon Texas heat, carrying six-packs of Coke against the anxious hour we foresaw in the hot stale air of the Markham apartment. As we approached 328½ E. 9th where the Markhams live, we noticed two Dallas police station wagons parked outside, and just as we turned the corner of 9th and Patton we saw them pull away.

    Mrs. Oswald guessed what the police were there for. Up the stairs she charged, and there we met the most pitiful spectacle in our experience. Mr. Markham stood in the doorway, and behind him the alleged witness to the Tippit murder cowered to one side. The man was a quivering wreck. Every muscle in his lean frame was a-tremble, his mouth twitched uncontrollably, and his teeth were actually chattering from fright.

    “Please go away,” he groaned like a whipped puppy, “Please go away and don’t come back.”

    “You’ve been threatened, haven’t you?” Mrs. Oswald asked.

    “Yes. Please go away.”

    Outside, Mrs. Oswald’s eyes grew red fighting back the tears that welled up. “That poor man!” she kept repeating. She wanted to go to Washington at once to report the incident to the Warren Commission. “Did you gee him?” she said. “He was frightened to death. What right do they have to threaten him? This is still America, by God,” she cried. “We’re going to see if they can get away with this.”

    Bill Markham, the 20-year-old son of Helen Markham, followed us outside. His mother and stepfather, be said, were too scared of the police and Secret Service to talk to us but he wasn’t. He would meet us outside the public library some three blocks away.

    He spoke to us in Mrs. Oswald’s car, and unutterable contempt for his parents showed in every word. Also clear was his desperate need of money. Would we pay for information about the Tippit killing?

    It only takes an hour of independent work on the Oswald case to make one circumspect and guarded. We might be charged later with bribing a witness, and then how did we know that the boy was not every bit of the liar he said his mother was. The sullen boy with the handsome tanned face topped with black curls admitted he had a police record, that the police had gotten him fired from several jobs by so-called parole check-ups. He was not working and what be wanted more than anything else right now was money.

    “I need it, ma’am,” he said slowly, “and I’m going to get myself some.” Yes the Secret Service had told his parents that “there would be trouble” if they talked to outsiders. “But, I’m not afraid, ma’am. I need money and if I don’t get some one way, I’ll get it another.”

    Why not go away to another state and start again clean, Mrs, Oswald pleaded with him.

    “The police’ll be after me anyway, ma’am, and I can’t afford a lawyer. I can’t afford anything.”

    “Please take care,” she told him. “Oh Lord, poor people are so helpless. If you were middle class you wouldn’t have these problems. And don’t be so sure you can win against the police. My Lee was so sure.”

    As he was leaving the car, she took his hand. “Take care of yourself,” she said, “and if you get into trouble and need help, please get in touch with me. I’ll find some way to help you.”

    Two days later Marguerite called us to come over fast. She greeted us, holding up a newspaper in her hand. The Markham boy had been picked up for burglary and parole violation.

    It recalled the similar arrest a few weeks before of Abraham Bolden, the first Negro Secret Service man assigned to the Presidential bodyguard, on charges of cooperating with counterfeiters. There, too, the charge was entirely based on the testimony of two witnesses who themselves were under police charges.

    “I keep thinking, maybe talking to us got the boy arrested,” Mrs. Oswald said. “We’ve got to help him. We gave him our word.”

    And for seven hours Marguerite Oswald was on the phone trying to get young Markham a lawyer. She called Mark Lane in New York, called Greg Olds of the Dallas Civil Liberties Union (who made vague, unfulfilled pledges), called the Lawyers Referral Service, called six attorneys in Fort Worth who all begged off.

    Over and over she asked for a lawyer to visit the boy in jail to make sure he was represented by counsel. Shadow images crossed her mind of the boy being killed in jail as her son was. She offered to pay the legal expenses but it was no go. She got promises, recommendations, apologies, but no lawyer.

    Mark Lane finally managed to persuade a reluctant colleague in Dallas to see young Markham.

    Full article available at:

    ratical.org ratville JFK UMO

    I have many questions concerning Helen Louise Markham's sons and need your help sorting through the bizarre story that resulted from Marguerite Oswald appearing on the doorstep of Helen Markham on June 27th, 1964.


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    Re: The Unsinkable Marguerite Oswald

    Post by Terry W. Martin on Mon 10 Nov 2014, 2:43 am

    Thanks, Lee.

    A fascinating article. I had seen it several years ago but was happy to be refreshed.

    Now, what sort of help do you need?

    The Musketeers are available.

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    Post by The Prodigal Son on Mon 10 Nov 2014, 3:20 am

    First of all, Terry, I totally agree with you that it is a fascinating article.

    I first delved into the story many years ago because I felt there was important information within it - - and since my fascination with Larry Carfard has developed I have had the Markham brother's story in the back of my mind.

    It's time to revisit it.

    First off, if you hit Mary Ferrell and search for "James Alford Markham" and "James Alfred Markham" you will see the files that contain the allegations made by James Markham.  

    Markham claimed to have been introduced to Lee Oswald, or "Ozzie" to be precise, by a guy named Jerry Tolliver that he met in Oak Cliff a few weeks prior to the assassination.  

    The first question that needs answering is this:

    Which of Helen Markham's sons actually spoke to Marguerite Oswald and Harold Feldman on June 27th, 1964?

    The article claims it was William Edward Markham.  But it wasn't William Edward Markham that was arrested.  It was James Alford Markham that was arrested.  Helen Markham claimed her son William wasn't living in Dallas during the assassination and was actually in Norfolk, Virginia.

    So, I fail to see how William would have any information to give to Marguerite and Feldman.  

    William went on record and claimed it was him who spoke to the pair.  But he also went on record and claimed that he had no information to give them and simply answered a few questions that were recorded.

    No recording (or transcript) has ever surfaced concerning this alleged interview of William Markham.  When Mark Lane was told the details of all of this (subsequent to the arrest of James Markham) he claimed he had important evidence but was not ready to disclose it when questioned.  As far as I'm aware that important information never materialised.

    James initially denied he was home at his mother's when Marguerite turned up and did not speak to her or Feldman.  During one of his original FBI interviews he also stated he had never spoken to Mark Lane.  Yet we do know that Lane represented his interests for a short time.

    I'd like to begin piecing the story together to try and make some sense out of it.  It may just be James Markham trying his luck and using the Tippit murder to his advantage when he found himself in deep shit - - or it may be something more.  This is the Kennedy assassination after all, and not everything is as it seems.

    I can feel it in my bones that there is something to this story - - which is why it has never left me since I first began researching it.  

    I'm half way through putting together a substantial post on the evidence we currently have but if the Musketeers start by reading through the available items on Mary Ferrell and let me know your thoughts?

    NB: There are two names listed in the documents for James Markham.  One is James Alfred Markham.  The other is James Alford Markham.  Helen Markham was interviewed to clarify her son's actual middle name and she said it was Alford.

    Judging from some stuff I've found over the last few days I'm not entirely convinced but will have to recruit Tom Scully to do some ancestral digging for me.


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    Post by The Prodigal Son on Mon 10 Nov 2014, 3:52 am

    Just to add to our list of coincidences - - James Markham's brother William was a floor layer.

    The same temporary profession as our Sixth Floor TSBD workers and the same full time profession as Herbert Leon Lee and James Watson who were the strange lodgers at 1026 North Beckley.

    Helen Markham told investigators that William Markham was away in Norfolk, VA, at the time of the assassination.  Even though we are supposed to believe he was the brother who offered Marguerite and Harold Feldman information on the Tippit murder in exchange for money.  

    From what I have been able to make out there is no evidence that William Markham had a criminal record - - of course that doesn't mean he didn't have one.


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    Post by The Prodigal Son on Mon 10 Nov 2014, 4:10 am

    If Tom Scully is out there could you perhaps look at some of the genealogy of the Markham family?

    I'm specifically looking for the father of the Markham boys but anything else you may uncover would be of great interest.


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    Excerpt from the testimony of William Arthur Smith who was one of the witnesses to the Tippit murder:

    Mr. BALL. Did you go down to where the policeman was shot? 
    Mr. SMITH. Yes. 
    Mr. BALL. What did you see? 
    Mr. SMITH. Saw the policeman lying on the ground. I mean on the street. 
    Mr. BALL. And did a crowd gather around there? 
    Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir. 
    Mr. BALL. How long did you stay there? 
    Mr. SMITH. About 45 minutes. 
    Mr. BALL. Did you give your name to the police? 
    Mr. SMITH. No, sir. 
    Mr. BALL. Why? 
    Mr. SMITH. Because I was on probation. I thought it might hurt my probation record. 
    Mr. BALL. All right; you did tell someone you had seen it, didn't you? 
    Mr. SMITH. Yes. 
    Mr. BALL. Who? 
    Mr. SMITH. This boy I ran around with. 
    Mr. BALL. What's his name? 
    Mr. SMITH. James Markham. 
    Mr. BALL. Is he the son of Helen Markham? 
    Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir. 
    Mr. BALL. Did you talk to her? 
    Mr. SMITH. No, sir; she talks to me. 
    Mr. BALL. Mrs. Markham talked to you? 
    Mr. SMITH. Yes. 
    Mr. BALL. And did you tell Mrs. Markham? 
    Mr. SMITH. I told her what I saw and that is the reason I am here, I a---- 
    Mr. BALL. Did the police come out and see you? 
    Mr. SMITH. The FBI. 


    Joseph Ball obviously didn't want to speak to William Smith about what he had told James Markham and he also wasn't that interested in what he told Mrs. Markham which Smith was about to give details of and claimed what he told her was "the reason" he was in front of the Commission.


    It's shit like this that really grinds my gears and has me wanting to know what the hell they wanted to hide.


    Smith was friends with James Markham and he also hung around with Jimmy Burt who was with Smith the afternoon Tippit was killed.

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    Post by Terry W. Martin on Mon 10 Nov 2014, 12:06 pm

    Well, I didn't find much in the short time I searched but I did find:

    According to the Texas birth records, there were two Markhams born on the 5th of May 1943: James Alfred (in Dallas county) & James Ronald (in neighboring Tarrant county). Nothing too strange about that, I suppose but two Jimmy Markhams the same day...? The parents of the latter James Albert & Trudy Barnes Markham.

    The parents of the interesting Markham were Arthur Lewis & Helen Hamilton Markham

    James Alford Markham m. 24 June 1968 to Betty Sue McCutchen; divorcing in July of 1970.

    I find it interesting that he had the name of his sister "Pat" tattooed on his wrist. Or perhaps it was another Pat.

    He died on Christmas Eve, 2008, in Texas. His name seems to change from one document to the next as Alford/Alfred and his date of birth seems to morph as well. The birth was registered as the 5th of May but his SSN has the date as the 2nd May 1943.

    That's all I got so far.

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    Post by Paul Francisco Paso on Mon 10 Nov 2014, 12:07 pm

    It's shit like this that really grinds my gears and has me wanting to know what the hell they wanted to hide.

    Perhaps they wanted to hide the real reason Tippit was killed. That has always been a mystery to me.

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    Post by steely dan on Mon 10 Nov 2014, 1:26 pm

    It sticks out to me that Markham claims he bumped into Ozzie and Tolliver in the Texas Movie Theater of all places. Really, what are the odds.

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    Post by greg parker on Mon 10 Nov 2014, 1:53 pm

    There is more spin going on in the Feldman article and FBI report than at Coney Island. 

    You've probably already come across this, but here is Gil J's page on the subject:
    http://www.giljesus.com/Tippit/smith_burt.htm

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    Post by The Prodigal Son on Tue 11 Nov 2014, 5:11 am

    greg parker wrote:There is more spin going on in the Feldman article and FBI report than at Coney Island. 

    You've probably already come across this, but here is Gil J's page on the subject:

    Can you be a bit more specific concerning the "spin" please?  

    Yes, Greg, I've seen Gil's page.  It leads me to where the Tippit case has generally always led me.  That his murder had nothing to do with the assassination in any direct way.  It seems we had a gang of bored kids running around Oak Cliff many of whom were on parole.  William Smith stated that he didn't want to speak to law enforcement after the incident because he believed (strangely) that it would affect his parole.  He was also about to state, during his testimony, the reasons he ended up in front of the Warren Commission was because of the something that he said to Mrs. Helen Markham - -  testimony that we never end up hearing about.

    Jimmy Burt was AWOL from the Army and James Markham was on parole after having been convicted of burglary.

    One thing is for certain - - whether he jumped or whether he was pushed out of the window we can categorically ascertain that James Markham was attempting to run from law enforcement the day they arrived at Helen Markham's home on June 30th, 1964.  So we know he valued his freedom enough to risk breaking both his legs or killing himself in the process.

    What else would James Markham do for his freedom should he be accosted by the police?

    As you are already aware there are other documents related to the half-arsed attempt at investigating James Markham's claims concerning Jerry or Gerry Tolliver.  Helen Markham went on record and stated that James had mentioned the name to her.  The bowling lane manager where James frequented (and was barred from) said he found a witness (who remained nameless) who said he knew a guy called Tolliver.  This would then turn into the guy only heard of him and it was William Markham (James' brother) who told him about him.

    I do find it somewhat strange that James Markham mentions meeting "Ozzie" in the Texas Theater one afternoon and this could be complete shit but there could be something in this bizarre tale.

    Terry is almost where I was with the odd records concerning James Alfred and James Alford Markham.  This is why I require Tom Scully's assistance.  There is something strange about it all.  If James Alford Markham born 05/02/43 is the same person as James Alfred Markham born 05/05/43 then we know that Jimmy died in Huntsville prison in 2008.  Which would possibly mean he spent a lot of his life or his whole life in prison.  I hope Tom can help me work the oddities out.

    Photo of the James Markham who died in Huntsville:



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    Post by steely dan on Tue 11 Nov 2014, 5:17 am

    Does anybody else feel that this episode is an attempt to reintroduce the dark skinned Rambler driver who Craig (and others) claimed they saw picking LHO up from Dealy Plaza. If thats the case, who would be behind it?. I think we can rule out the DPD and FBI.

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    Post by The Prodigal Son on Tue 11 Nov 2014, 5:33 am

    steely dan wrote:It sticks out to me that Markham claims he bumped into Ozzie and Tolliver in the Texas Movie Theater of all places. Really, what are the odds.

    I partially agree.  But we must also factor in that the movie house was a place where kids did hang out and the Texas Theater was the local movie house for this part of Oak Cliff where these young lads lived.  I can imagine all kids of deals went down at the movies...

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    Post by greg parker on Tue 11 Nov 2014, 5:51 am

    Can you be a bit more specific concerning the "spin" please?
    Sure. Feldman's article paints MO as a saintly maternal figure. The FBI report paints her as a scary old harridan

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    Post by The Prodigal Son on Tue 11 Nov 2014, 5:53 am

    greg parker wrote:
    Can you be a bit more specific concerning the "spin" please?
    Sure. Feldman's article paints MO as a saintly maternal figure. The FBI report paints her as a scary old harridan

    Gotcha and agreed.  I'm sure the truth, as is the case with most of this case, sits somewhere in the middle.

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    Post by Paul Francisco Paso on Tue 11 Nov 2014, 5:54 am

     It leads me to where the Tippit case has generally always led me.  That his murder had nothing to do with the assassination in any direct way.

    I was thinking the same thing but was too afraid to say it. Tippit probably knew his killer well enough to pull him over for a chat. Tippit was no stranger to Oak Cliff. Acquila Clemons knew about him before he was shot.

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    Post by The Prodigal Son on Tue 11 Nov 2014, 5:58 am

    steely dan wrote:Does anybody else feel that this episode is an attempt to reintroduce the dark skinned Rambler driver who Craig (and others) claimed they saw picking LHO up from Dealy Plaza. If thats the case, who would be behind it?. I think we can rule out the DPD and FBI.

    In what way, Steely?  You mean the introduction of "Tolliver" or something else?

    What I find a little bit odd is that James Markham's parole was revoked on April 8th, 1964, after he failed to report.  The police did not arrive, for all we know, until June 30th to arrest James.  That's him on the street for almost three months.  

    So I have no problem with Marguerite and Feldman believing that the arrival of the Dallas Police was somehow linked to the unexpected visit of Marguerite on June 27th.

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    The Initial Search for Tolliver

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    Re: The Unsinkable Marguerite Oswald

    Post by greg parker on Tue 11 Nov 2014, 6:28 am

    The Prodigal Son wrote:
    steely dan wrote:It sticks out to me that Markham claims he bumped into Ozzie and Tolliver in the Texas Movie Theater of all places. Really, what are the odds.

    I partially agree.  But we must also factor in that the movie house was a place where kids did hang out and the Texas Theater was the local movie house for this part of Oak Cliff where these young lads lived.  I can imagine all kids of deals went down at the movies...
    The same happens with the Markhams. To Feldman, they are terrified of the authorities. To the FBI, they were terrified of the old harridan and her two scruffy accomplices.

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    Post by greg parker on Tue 11 Nov 2014, 6:30 am

    If you google "Jerry Toliver" (one "l") + "Oak Cliff", you'll eventually find one or two in Texas about the right age.

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