- Ed.Ledoux
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Puff of Smoke In The Wind
Tue 06 Jun 2017, 10:31 am
Why would a puff of smoke from behind the fence last any longer than
a cloud of bloody mist?
Smoke vs wind, see Mary Moormans coat.
Head shot mist in a moving convertible in the same wind as the smoke.
Why do folks believe the mist, liquid, can disipate so quick in a single film frame
but discount firearm smoke because it's in only a few frames of Wiegman.
As soon as smoke was out of the trees it would be blown away, gone..
Often the first shot with a dirty rifle say one kept where lots of fibers could stick inside the barrel, even well cleaned but oiled will produce associated smoke and oil vapors. And seeing as it may have fired but once from the fence this remains a probability.
But why say smoke disappeared too quickly, it suffered the same effect as the mist
Besides we have more corroboration for the smoke than a film frame.
Richard Dodd,
SM Holland,
Ed Johnson,
Austin Miller
Lee Bowers,
Cheryl McKinnon wrote in her article "Myself and dozens of others standing nearby turned in horror toward the back of the grassy knoll where it seemed the sounds had originated. Puffs of white smoke still hung in the air in small patches."
Like PM, its demonstrated as such, it exists where witnesses say it was, it does exist on film as described.
Is this another litmus?
Cheers, Ed
a cloud of bloody mist?
Smoke vs wind, see Mary Moormans coat.
Head shot mist in a moving convertible in the same wind as the smoke.
Why do folks believe the mist, liquid, can disipate so quick in a single film frame
but discount firearm smoke because it's in only a few frames of Wiegman.
As soon as smoke was out of the trees it would be blown away, gone..
Often the first shot with a dirty rifle say one kept where lots of fibers could stick inside the barrel, even well cleaned but oiled will produce associated smoke and oil vapors. And seeing as it may have fired but once from the fence this remains a probability.
But why say smoke disappeared too quickly, it suffered the same effect as the mist
Besides we have more corroboration for the smoke than a film frame.
Richard Dodd,
SM Holland,
Ed Johnson,
Austin Miller
Lee Bowers,
Cheryl McKinnon wrote in her article "Myself and dozens of others standing nearby turned in horror toward the back of the grassy knoll where it seemed the sounds had originated. Puffs of white smoke still hung in the air in small patches."
Like PM, its demonstrated as such, it exists where witnesses say it was, it does exist on film as described.
Is this another litmus?
Cheers, Ed
Re: Puff of Smoke In The Wind
Tue 06 Jun 2017, 12:55 pm
- Ed.Ledoux
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Join date : 2012-01-04
Re: Puff of Smoke In The Wind
Tue 06 Jun 2017, 2:15 pm
Smoke was grey to Holland as he observed it under trees.
As it entered bright sunlight, and to those on the underpass, it appeared white.
Walter Winborn and Thomas Murphy (both interviewed by Stuart Galanor in May 1966)
In May of 1966 I spoke with railroad workers Thomas Murphy and Walter Winborn, who were standing on the triple overpass at the time of the assassination. I asked Murphy, "Could you tell me where you thought the shots came from?"
Murphy. Yeah, they come from a tree to the left, of my left, which is to the immediate right of the site of the assassination.
Galanor. That would be on that grassy hill up there.
Murphy. Yeah, on the hill up there. There are two or three hackberry and elm trees. And I say it come from there.
Galanor. Well, was there anything that led you to believe that the shots came from there?
Murphy. Yeah, smoke.
Galanor. You saw smoke?
Murphy. Sure did.
Galanor. Could you tell me exactly where you saw the smoke?
Murphy. Yeah, in that tree. (See Cover-up, 59)
Walter Winborn told me he saw "smoke that come out from under the trees on the right hand side of the motorcade." The FBI agents who interviewed Winborn for the Warren Commission, however, did not mention in their report that he had seen smoke on the knoll.
Galanor. Did you tell them about that, that you saw smoke on the grassy knoll?
Winborn. Oh yes. Oh yes.
Galanor. They didn’t include it in their report.
Winborn. Well.
Galanor. Do you have any idea why they didn’t?
Winborn. I don’t have any idea. They are specialists in their field, and I’m just an amateur. (See Cover-up, 60)
James Leon Simmons testimony at Shaw trial:
A: Well, he fell and there was matter and a halo of blood.
Q: Which way did he fall?
A: To his left.
Q: What did the limousine do then?
A: It paused and then accelerated real fast after the motorcycle got out the way.
Q: Did it go under the Triple Overpass?
A: Yes, sir, went directly under us.
Q: It went under you because you were standing on the overpass?
A: Yes, sir.
Q: At the time you saw this red halo, what did that appear to you to be?
A: To the left side of his head.
Q: Can you tell us what direction this went in, this matter?
A: It went over the side of the car.
Q: Which side of the car?
A: The left side.
Q: Now at the time you heard the second and third shot did you notice anything unusual in the area of the grassy knoll?
A: Well, after I heard the shots I looked to see if I could see where they were coming from and underneath the trees up on the grassy knoll by the fence I detected what appeared to be a puff of smoke or wisp of smoke.
Q: From which direction did these noises appear to come from?
A: In front and the left.
Then we have Aynesworth mitigating the smoke, turning it into Harkness' motorcycles exhaust. An physical and logistical impossibility.
And the likes of Posner tries to simultaneously have steam hissing out of a pipe, a motorcycle making fumes, all the while no films show such, either steam or exhaust from motors or pipes.
Posner and Marion Baker should of started a restaurant,
there you could order up the main dish of pigeon either steamed or smoked
As it entered bright sunlight, and to those on the underpass, it appeared white.
Walter Winborn and Thomas Murphy (both interviewed by Stuart Galanor in May 1966)
In May of 1966 I spoke with railroad workers Thomas Murphy and Walter Winborn, who were standing on the triple overpass at the time of the assassination. I asked Murphy, "Could you tell me where you thought the shots came from?"
Murphy. Yeah, they come from a tree to the left, of my left, which is to the immediate right of the site of the assassination.
Galanor. That would be on that grassy hill up there.
Murphy. Yeah, on the hill up there. There are two or three hackberry and elm trees. And I say it come from there.
Galanor. Well, was there anything that led you to believe that the shots came from there?
Murphy. Yeah, smoke.
Galanor. You saw smoke?
Murphy. Sure did.
Galanor. Could you tell me exactly where you saw the smoke?
Murphy. Yeah, in that tree. (See Cover-up, 59)
Walter Winborn told me he saw "smoke that come out from under the trees on the right hand side of the motorcade." The FBI agents who interviewed Winborn for the Warren Commission, however, did not mention in their report that he had seen smoke on the knoll.
Galanor. Did you tell them about that, that you saw smoke on the grassy knoll?
Winborn. Oh yes. Oh yes.
Galanor. They didn’t include it in their report.
Winborn. Well.
Galanor. Do you have any idea why they didn’t?
Winborn. I don’t have any idea. They are specialists in their field, and I’m just an amateur. (See Cover-up, 60)
James Leon Simmons testimony at Shaw trial:
A: Well, he fell and there was matter and a halo of blood.
Q: Which way did he fall?
A: To his left.
Q: What did the limousine do then?
A: It paused and then accelerated real fast after the motorcycle got out the way.
Q: Did it go under the Triple Overpass?
A: Yes, sir, went directly under us.
Q: It went under you because you were standing on the overpass?
A: Yes, sir.
Q: At the time you saw this red halo, what did that appear to you to be?
A: To the left side of his head.
Q: Can you tell us what direction this went in, this matter?
A: It went over the side of the car.
Q: Which side of the car?
A: The left side.
Q: Now at the time you heard the second and third shot did you notice anything unusual in the area of the grassy knoll?
A: Well, after I heard the shots I looked to see if I could see where they were coming from and underneath the trees up on the grassy knoll by the fence I detected what appeared to be a puff of smoke or wisp of smoke.
Q: From which direction did these noises appear to come from?
A: In front and the left.
Then we have Aynesworth mitigating the smoke, turning it into Harkness' motorcycles exhaust. An physical and logistical impossibility.
And the likes of Posner tries to simultaneously have steam hissing out of a pipe, a motorcycle making fumes, all the while no films show such, either steam or exhaust from motors or pipes.
Posner and Marion Baker should of started a restaurant,
there you could order up the main dish of pigeon either steamed or smoked
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