Tippit Murder - who what why and when.

First topic message reminder :

Dispatcher	78.
12:54pm	78 (Ptm. J.D. Tippit)	78.
	Dispatcher	You are in the Oak Cliff area, are you not?
	78	Lancaster and Eighth.
	Dispatcher	You will be at large for any emergency that comes in.
	78	10-4.

 
 
The JFK Assassination Dallas Police Tapes
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Part Two
 
 
 
 
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Citizen	Hello, police operator?
1:16pm	Dispatcher	Go ahead. Go ahead, citizen using the police radio.
	Citizen	There's been a shooting out here.
	Dispatcher	Where's it at?
	Dispatcher	The citizen using the police radio . . .
	Citizen	Tenth Street.
	Dispatcher	What location on Tenth Street?
	Citizen	Between Marsalis and Beckley. It's a police officer. Somebody shot him. What -- what's . . . 404 Tenth Street.
	Dispatcher	Can you hear me?
		(Man and woman's voices in background)
	Dispatcher	78.
	Citizen	It's in a police car, number 10.
	Dispatcher	78.
	Dispatcher (?)	78.
	Citizen	Got that?
	Citizen	Hello, police operator. Did you get that?
	Dispatcher	Attention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 E. Jefferson.
	Citizen	Thank you.
	35 (Ptm. J.M. Lewis)	35.
	259 (unknown)	259.
	Dispatcher	The citizen using the police radio: Remain off the radio now.
	Dispatcher	91.

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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/tapes2.htm
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My guess, Vinny, is that he played a small unwitting “need to know” part. He was probably a “poor dumb cop”, a dispensable foot soldier, used by the higher up conspirators for their own ends.

In other words, I believe his role in the Tippit subplot was similar that of LH Oswald in the main plot.

Bill Kelly wrote a good article, “A New History Based Model of the Assassination” in which he described the training of US intelligence officers. In the following passage he quotes from an account written by one such officer, Joseph B Smith, of what the renowned intelligence mentor Paul Linebarger taught Smith and his fellow students.

“'I want you all to go out and get a copy of David Maurer’s classic on the confidence man. It’s called ‘The Big Con,’ and its available now in a paperback edition,'” Paul continued. “'That little book will teach you more about the art of covert operations than anything else I know. Your job as an intelligence officer and the con man are identical...'”

“'Maurer’s book will give you a lot of ideas on how to recruit agents, how to handle them and how to get rid of them peacefully when they’re no use to you any longer. Believe me, that last one is the toughest job of all.'”

"We were all soon reading 'The Big Con.' The tales it told did, indeed, contain a lot of hints on how to do our jobs. For me one sentence seemed to sum it all up beautifully, 'The big-time confidence games,'wrote Maurer, 'are in reality only carefully rehearsed plays in which every member of the cast EXCEPT THE MARK knows his part perfectly.'” 

http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2017/02/a-new-history-based-model-of.html

Thanks Goban,

I do believe the Jackson dispatch Tippit (78) disturbance call to 400 Block E Tenth is crucial in understanding some of this.

Either all coincidental and absolutely nothing to do with the assassination -or- there was no such disturbance call and Jackson sent Tippit there on that pretext, but it was really an ambush to further frame Oswald.


It's interesting.

Thanks Goban. So basically you believe he too was a patsy.

There are some who believe he was an active part of the plot.Joe McBride claims that he was likely the Grassy Knoll shooter who fired the fatal head shot. That his next assignment after shooting Kennedy was to shoot Oswald in Oak Cliff.However he was double crossed and ended up being killed himself.

One of the early researchers stated in his book that Tippit was the Sixth Floor Shooter.

Interview With Murray Jackson.

Much about the Tippit case depends on how accurate the radio transcripts are. It would be very useful to discover whether the tape recordings have been altered.

Regarding the scene of the murder, Ruby stated that Joyce McDonald stayed at 410 1/2 Tenth. Unfortunately, he didn't specify East or West. 410 East Tenth was the house one of the Davis girls said 'he (Tippit) lived in'.

According to the William Drenas article 'Car #10 Where Are You?' Murray Jackson was a close friend of Officer Tippit. If we take the radio transcript at face value (difficult to do, since Nelson ostensibly disobeyed an instruction, although he seemed blissfully unaware), Jackson appears to show a disproportionate interest in what Tippit was doing.

Could it be he was asked to check on Oswald's arrival at the cinema and call in on a  telephone?

I can't envisage the Tippit killing being unrelated to the assassination.

Thanks Redfern,


Much about the Tippit case depends on how accurate the radio transcripts are. It would be very useful to discover whether the tape recordings have been altered.




Even in my short time researching the Tippit murder, I have to say the many statements by various witnesses, SS reports, and Hospital documents all seriously challenge or at least undermine the timeline on the official police dispatch recordings and log from 12.54 onwards until Oswald's arrest at the Theatre. It appears like the log has intermittently been altered during that period. So the question would be why would that be done and by whom.

As stated before, in my opinion the 400 block E Tenth disturbance call is a crucial piece of evidence.

Quoting from a 1967 interview with dispatcher Murray Jackson:


We had received a call from a citizen. They called us on the telephone and the call sheet came - came to me and there was a disturbance in street in the 400 block of East 10th.


We know that someone has telephoned into Dallas Police around or just prior to 1.00pm for the above call.
This radio dispatch call to 78 was made between 1:02:00pm 1:02:30pm. This call to 78 is claimed to have been erased from the recording. 
That 30 seconds probably included Tippit's response to dispatch. That's important




excerpt from a letter written to Joachim Joesten concerning a Shirley Martin interview with Hugh Aynesworth, Dallas Morning News reporter.

The unknown citizen’s call at 1:02 or 1:03 does not appear in the transcript of police radio messages. 


On the audio recording at precisely 1:02 there is 30 seconds of noise, indicating an erasure. 


About a minute later, at 1:03, the dispatcher attempted to reach Tippit and got no response.






Dispatcher to Tippit at 12.54pm

"you'll be at large for any emegency that comes in"

Tippit reports he is at Lancaster and Eighth.


Tippit was killed not more than 3 1/2 blocks away near 10th and Patton St. sometime after the last communication back to base at 12.54pm.





So no response from Tippit at 1.03-most likely already out of the car.

McWatters WC testimony:




Senator COOPER - Was the passenger that got on near Murphy Street the same passenger that you later have testified about who told you that the President had been shot in the temple?

Mr. McWATTERS - Well, they told me later that it was, but at the time they didn't tell me.

Senator COOPER - Who didn't tell you?

Mr. McWATTERS - The police didn't.




You can't make this shit up-Oh wait they already have.

The shooting occurred about one mile from the spot where President Kennedy was killed about 30 minutes earlier.


There's that 1.00-1.05pm time line for the Tippit slaying.

Thx to Malcolm Blunt

Thanks for sharing Bart. 
Out of all the questions we could have asked Butler they didn't seem too interested in asking for the approximate time for the ambulance having been dispatched to Tippit's murder scene. 
Anyhoo!

From Butler’s statement, it sounds like:

1. Tippit had drawn his revolver, possibly before or during his exit from the vehicle.
2. Tippit had not advanced very far before he was shot to have his head behind the front left wheel and torso by the door. All the pictures I’ve seen indicates he closed the door.

If he was expecting trouble, why didn’t he ask the suspect to step away from the vehicle and put his hands up? Why didn’t he call in the dispatcher? Why would he turn the car off if using the radio would require restarting the engine? Did Butler ever get acknowledgement from DPD dispatcher when he used the ambulance radio? Would that have have been recorded on the dictabelt logs?

"Tippit reports he is at Lancaster and Eighth"

WHY

who would care where he is as long as he says he will be available

'KINDA LIKE RUNNING INTO A VESTIBULE AND SEEING NO ONE THERE AND ASKING WHERE THE ELEVATOR IS'

Especially if he isn't responding to a call.

If they want to disassociate the early 1:02 call with it being about Tippit's shooting,, rather than being a call preceeding Tippit's arrival they need the records to reflect it, so they do what they do to win cases in Dallas County. (Cheat)

Dictabelt/transcript.
It smacks of evidence tampering.
Use with caution, and remove blinders.

Mick_Purdy wrote:




The shooting occurred about one mile from the spot where President Kennedy was killed about 30 minutes earlier.


There's that 1.00-1.05pm time line for the Tippit slaying.

Good catch.

I note also that the story has McDonald getting an anonymous tip before arresting Oswald.

The other story (or is it part of the same story???) has police rushing to the theatre based on an anonymous tip.

Firstly, McDonald testified Oswald was pointed out to him after he arrived by someone who he never got back to to take a name. One version has the man standing and pointing, If this happened, it could only be Brewer. But other versions have the informant as sitting in the audience. Not Brewer. And not anyone who could have known who the cops were after. 

Secondly, police supposedly rushed there on the basis of a call ticket seller Julia Postal. That call was surely not anonymous. 

I know early stories can get things confused in the rush for scoops, but Asst DA Jim Bowie did say they had more than one call.

I doubt anyone pointed out Oswald to McDonald. He knew who he was after and he had the plant gun on him. 

Keys to understand what was going on.

1. The cops were drawing up charges related to the International Communist Conspiracy

2. Oswald started asking for Abt who defended communists against those types of charges and had zero experience in murder cases. Early on, they didn't care if Oswald was a shooter or not, and as Oswald said, no one had accused him of being the shooter at that time. The cunts probably already knew he was outside.

3. He told reporters he was only picked up because he had lived in the Soviet Union

4. You can bet trying to make Oswald a commie took up a big chunk of that first session.

5. The Cox box-top planted on him was a ploy straight out of the Rosenberg trial

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On a related matter and in line with this time thread, can someone remind me of the source for this missing time in the Dallas police tapes, where for example an unwanted call might have been?