The Mrs Jack D Tippit Phone call

First topic message reminder :

As with the Oxnard call, pinpointing the name of the caller would be virtually impossible.

However certain things can be established and taken as fact, while there are other things we can take an educated guess at.

Firstly, here are the FBI reports:

interview with Mrs Jack Tippit
interview with Mr Jack Tippit

The mystery woman mentioned two names, "Weinstock" and "Emile Kardos", said to be Oswald's father and uncle who were Hungarian Communists. She also kept mentioning, without clarification, the term, "brother-in-law".


Who was "Weinstock"?
According to the reports, the caller stated Weinstock was editor of "Woman's World". Others have already suggested this may be Louis Weinstock, and I believe that can be taken as correct. Louis Weinstock was a Hungarian born board member of the CPUSA; had been one of those jailed for violation of the Smith Act, and for a while was General Manager of the "The Worker". In 1962, he had replied to a letter sent by Lee Harvey Oswald. The reference to "Woman's World" is probably a resullt of two distinct memory lapses (or one memory lapse and one mishearing). I think the caller named the publication as "Worker's World" which was the organ of the "Workers World Party" established in 1959 as a breakaway from the SWP. As I cannot link Weinstock to that publication, it seems likely she meant "The Daily Worker" which became known as "The Worker" in 1958. Mention of "The Daily Worker" was then misremembered or misheard as "Woman's World".  

This would tend to date her knowledge of "Weinstock" and "Kardos" to pre-1958.

Who was "Emile Kardos"?
As far as I can tell, no one has looked too hard at finding out - or even guessing who this is. His real name is Emil Gardos.



From Forgotten Radicals: Communists in the Pennsylvania Anthracite, 1919-1950 by Walter T Howard, p68 "In mid-October, anthracite organiser Emil Gardos submitted a report to The Daily Worker explaining how powerful anti-Communist forces stifled the Party and the NMU..."

For anyone who wants to look, there are a few other references to him to be found on the web.

The caller was thought to be German or Austrian - but in any case, a number of European nationals have difficulty with "G"s, giving them a hard sound akin to a "K" - thus it's no surprise that "Gardos" would be recalled as "Kardos".

Who was the "Brother in Law"?
Here's where it gets tricky and a bunch of conjecture is needed, so I'll start with the bottom line
and name possibilities.

Assuming that the phone call has any validity at all, I believe this may have been a reference to one of John Pic's brothers-in-law,  either George Clifford Parish or John Ebel.

George Clifford Parish
Parish was married to Emma Henrietta Parish (nee Fuhrman). He was a career navy man who had known John Pic for about 11 years and contacted the FBI in early December, 1963 to give them the following information:

His wife had told him that Lee and Marguerite had visited John and Marge Pic in the mid 1950s in New York and that while John was out at sea, Lee had threatened Marge Pic with a knife, and that when John Pic returned home, he had run Lee and his mother out of the apartment as a result. He said his wife also told him that Lee and the Pics fell out over the incident.

Emma Henrietta Parish
Emma was interviewed the day after her husband. She confrrmed the knife story with one very major difference: Emma stated Marge had contacted her other sister, Doris Ebel about the incident and that Doris "berated" Oswald, and it was Doris who removed them from the apartment.

The information provided by Mr and Mrs Parish seems to be the first accounting of the alleged knife incident. John Pic would later claim he was the one who kicked his mother and brother out, but one has to wonder how Emma could have been mistaken given she was the one in direct contact with other family members. She named her three brothers as Edward Fuhrman, Arthur Fuhrman and Paul Fuhrman. Those brothers would also be considered Pic's brother's in law.

There is actually a third candidate for having kicked Lee and Marguerite out. Marge Pic was interviewed by the Secret Service on Movember 25, 1963 and - without any mention whatsoever of the knife story, she laid claim to having having asked them to leave herself on the basis that "life was very difficult" with them there.  

Three different candidates for issuing the impromptu eviction with the "knife" story not mentioned until December 5.

On a side note: Marge Pic was interviewed by the Secret Service away from the presence of her husband without any noted or apparent difficulty. When the FBI wanted to interview her later, Pic insisted he be present on the basis that she was a very nervous person who might not give any information without his being there.

John Ebel
Little is known about Ebel except that he was the personal chauffeur of Howard Deering Johnson of the restaurant and motel chain fame.

The Fuhrman parents had been Hungarian refugees. Pic's Warren Commission testimony concerning his wife and her family is vague beyond belief e.g. he could not remember his wife's birth date, nor how long her parents had been living in the US.

Fascists and Nazis Today by Dennis Eisenberg was published in France in 1963 (pre-assassination).  Warren Commission document 1096 contains this very interesting passage from the book:



MKULTRA
Subproject 65 and 82 dealt with Hungarian refugees. Subproject 89 dealt with Hungarian repatriation. According to Ted Gittinger, these projects were all concerned  with learning about the  "personality characteristics of the Communsists and so forth". Indeed.

As has been discussed in other threads, Marge Pic appears to have demonstrated automatic writing in her husband's notebook during the '62 Thanksgiving get-together. That get-together also produced a written conversation between the lab technician, John Pic, and the trained pharmacist, Marina Oswald concerning drugs which happened to have later been used in MKSEARCH which took over from MKULTRA in 1964.

Personally, I tend toward thinking the caller to the Tippits was just a whack job - but if  there is anything at all to her (incoherent) story (and I would not have taken the trouble to put this together if I thought there no chance of that), this post sets out where the research should be done.

If you check out the Hughes film this comes from, you, like me, may conclude the chap looks Eastern European: Sean Murphy suspect

Amazing the amount of time so called researchers will spend debating a fairy tale. Even as a work of fiction Harvey And Lee is quite a poor work. Quite badly written in fact.

The H and L doppelganger dream team is being assembled!!
Scrappy Doo joins Jimbo Baggins and the John Butler trio on their mind expanding quest t discover the elusive Hungarian Harvey...
Jimbo Baggins on Mings in a post the eponymous trio of ill repute..
" Brian Doyle just sent me a note...maybe you could use some of your searching skills looking for Fred and Grace"
Bri Bri can find Grace all right Mr Baggins...i fear your post maybe used in evidence at some not too distant later date.
Sanibel High Court..U.S. V Brian Doyle regarding the abduction and false imprisonment of elderly psychedelic chanteuse...
Brian couldn't find Freddie Prinze jnr however who played Fred in the Scooby Doo films..
Armstrong have mercy on us all

They are still not giving up on the Gardos. Perhaps they have painted themselves in a corner and want to save face.

Vinny wrote:They are still not giving up on the Gardos. Perhaps they have painted themselves in a corner and want to save face.

Nope, and still laboring under the delusion that they are breaking new ground. They are reinventing the wheel and treating it like it's square.

Paul Jolliffe wrote:
Honestly John, I really don't see any physical resemblance to our "Oswald" (Harvey) other than facial expression.

However, your post prompted me to take a look at this "professional xxxx" (in Linus Pauling's words) a bit more closely. Budenz was, as you know, a longtime FBI informant, one whom testified that he made $70,000 as a witness in 1953!

It was Budenz's allegations about reds in government that made its way to Joseph McCarthy. What does strike me though is the similarity of language used by both the mysterious woman caller and Budenz when describing the goals of the Communists:

The issue of professional witnesses against alleged communists was discussed at length in my book.

lee harvey oswald's cold war wrote:

The Senate Internal Security Subcommittee

            On February 13, 1952, Harvey Matusow began his testimony before the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee (SISS) hearings being held in New York. The ex-FBI infiltrator (or to put it another way, the ex-“Communist”) was one of the shining lights in a stable of witnesses on paid contract with the Justice Department. Their sole purpose was to provide testimony against those accused by the government of being either a Communist Party member or a member of a Communist-front organization. In many cases, the only testimony provided was to affirm the alleged affiliations of the accused. To hide the true nature of the relationship between informant and the Justice Department, these professional witnesses were referred to as “consultants” or “security witnesses” and paid per case. This could be quite lucrative for someone like Matusow. The gig with the SISS for instance, had been hot on the heels of a star turn at the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) hearings and concurrent with the New York City School Board witch hunts to eradicate alleged Communist teachers from the system. The New York School system was a subject he knew nothing about, yet he was paid $25 per day as an expert “consultant.’

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American Communist History, vol. 1, No. 1, 2002,  [i]Harvey Matusow, the FBI, and the Justice Department: Becoming a Government Informer Witness in the McCarthy Era by Robert Lichtman and Ronald D. Cohen  [/i]

There is also this, likewise covered in my book

Fezsplainin' wrote:On January 27, 1947 Edwin Ekdahl was not even in the picture....  yet he is listed in this single-record CUMULATIVE document as "Father Name" with no mother???  Marge did all this kind of stuff... usually not the men dealing with school registration....
In the OTHER CUMULATIVE record it starts 9-9-47 AFTER they were married, but shows Ekdahl as deceased....  he didn't die until 1953.  Who goes back to an Elementary school CUMULATIVE record to add "(deceased)"...  to me this just screams FBI alteration...  And the fact Marge asks for and gets her name OSWALD back (instead of Claverie her actual maiden name ???) yet is listed as EKDAHL on the TARRANT COUNTY SCHOOL RECORDS also seems out of place....

lee harvey oswald's cold war wrote:Marguerite and Edwin allegedly reconciled in late January, 1947 and settled down on Eighth St. in Fort Worth. Here, Lee was enrolled at the Lily B. Clayton Elementary School. The word “allegedly” is used because one could get the impression from the extant records of this school that Lee was actually in the sole care of Edwin Ekdahl during the period in question. It is rather disconcerting to look at these records and note Edwin is listed as “father,” but with nothing written next to “mother’s name.”[i]

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[i] Warren Commission Document 373 – AG Texas School Records of Oswald in Texas


Sometime mid-year Marguerite followed Edwin to the home of a Mrs. Clary, a woman known to her in Fort Worth.[1] Marguerite assumed that her husband and Mrs. Clary were having an affair – something according to her own testimony, Edwin tried to reassure her she had “all wrong.” Despite his protestations of innocence, Marguerite wanted a divorce but put any action off, citing her older boys being in school and wanting them to finish the year as the excuse for doing so.[2]  
            Christmas must have been a very depressing time in the Ekdahl household in 1947 as Marguerite wrestled with various permutations and potentialities. On January 10, the result of those internal dialogues manifested with the eviction of her husband. On March 18, Marguerite moved to Willing St. The next day, Lee entered George C. Clarke Elementary School. As with the Lily B. Clayton Elementary however, we are faced with the same conundrum whereby Edwin Ekdahl is listed as “father” and no entry is made next to “mother’s name.”[i] 

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[1] This was the mother of Fred Clary who had attended Stripling Junior High with Robert Oswald. Clary described Robert to the FBI as “a violent person” obsessed with winning every fight he got into. 

[2] There are two times in Marguerite’s testimony where wanting the older boys to finish their school year is given as the reason for taking/not taking certain actions. No such consideration was ever afforded Lee who was put into and pulled out of one school after another – on many occasions, mid-term.  

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[i] Ibid

AS for the Ekdahl's first marriage in China and no divorce records... it may be that the wedding was not recognized in the US or that the marriage could not be proven - papers left in China or whatever.

If it was a bigamous marriage, it still needed a divorce to annul the second one. This would restore the original - assuming it was recognized by the authorities.

But carry on gentlemen. Your need to go round and round in circles, running into the same brick walls and trying to figure your way around it, is still mildly amusing. Do try and line your Harveys and Lees up correctly with Gardos clan and try and keep straight who knows which doppelganger and where each doppelganger is on the playing board.

Good old Jolly Paulie turning in t a real H and L trooper. Perhaps Jimbo Baggins can dig out Bombadier Gaals old uniform..
Just picture the H and L privates on parade..
Lined up before Sgt Major Fezzer outside the Stripling Barracks for inspection..Private Butler Get your Bolton Ford Incident over here right now!!
Remember Dad's Army? Well this is 'Nads Army..
Jimbo Baggins as Captain Mainwaring...Fez as Sgt Wilson( no relation)...
The Swinging Cowboy as Corporal Jones the old butcher...Swinging Sandy has lots of meat under the counter for his favourite 50 stone Vietnamese customers.. The John Butler trio as the old bastard who wanders around saying " We're doomed"..( due t the imminent FEMA takeover or the invasion of the giant Squidmen from Outer Space. He discovered the first Squidhead invaders, the reconnaissance force hiding beside Lee Bowers tower, after parking their Flying saucer behind Loy Factors and Mac Wallace's getaway car...)
And of course the Stripling battalion of Generallisimo Armstrong's Army wouldn't be complete without a certain pink sandalled Private Pike...complete with his pink zen scarf and note from mommie..
Dear Jimbo Mainwaring please excuse Bri Bri Pike from his physical jerks..he does enough physical jerking at home. Also let him have an extra 20 minutes in the toilets with his copy of Erotic Soldier of Fortune.
Yours Hornily Evelyn Pike( Mrs)
Greg, you need t remember Jimbos crack doppelganging squad need twice as long t figure these things out...they're dealing with two of everything...

From Two Oswald's to two Marguerite's to three Emil's.

There is a possibility of 3 young Emils in their 30s.  We have in 1940-1941 Census and marriage indexes the following:
1.  Emil Gardos and wife Grace, Grace Blair- Married abt. 1934
2.  Emil Kardos and wife Dorothy, Dorothy Adelhofer- Married 1941 (No. 2)
3.  Emil Kardos and wife Helen, Helen Kaminski- Married 1941 (No.3 ?)
Emil No. 2 is in the 1940 Census.  We didn't find a second one, No. 3,  in the 1940 Census.

What's next I wonder. Two Marina's? Two Robert's? Perhaps even two Fraziers.

The Milwaukee Record just published an article on this issue.

https://milwaukeerecord.com/city-life/uncovering-milwaukees-possible-and-tenuous-connection-to-the-jfk-assassination/