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PLAQUE 4: Specter covers up the Medical Evidence

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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Mon 08 Sep 2014, 9:45 pm

Now up at CTKA:

http://www.ctka.net/2014/wr_anniv_04.html

There will also be a Plaque 5, but I don't know when that will be done.

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Re: PLAQUE 4: Specter covers up the Medical Evidence

Post by Stan Dane on Tue 16 Sep 2014, 1:02 pm

When I read these Plaques I almost get depressed. Nothing about the official version of this case adds up. Nothing. It's like a dark, grotesque comedy. It's so obvious that there was a cover-up that it's embarrassing to have to even point it out. These Plaques are like an IQ test. Anyone who can fog a mirror should be able to pass the test with flying colors.
 
If something as obvious as this cover-up doesn't seem to even move the needle with anyone in government (or with those who ostensibly have "the power to speak, substantiate, and weaponize the truth") then what the hell will it take? Lobotomies?

It's as if a large number of people are under a spell. How is the spell broken?

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Re: PLAQUE 4: Specter covers up the Medical Evidence

Post by greg parker on Tue 16 Sep 2014, 2:54 pm

Stan Dane wrote:When I read these Plaques I almost get depressed. Nothing about the official version of this case adds up. Nothing. It's like a dark, grotesque comedy. It's so obvious that there was a cover-up that it's embarrassing to have to even point it out. These Plaques are like an IQ test. Anyone who can fog a mirror should be able to pass the test with flying colors.
 
If something as obvious as this cover-up doesn't seem to even move the needle with anyone in government (or with those who ostensibly have "the power to speak, substantiate, and weaponize the truth") then what the hell will it take? Lobotomies?

It's as if a large number of people are under a spell. How is the spell broken?
Stan,

80% may believe there was a conspiracy, but 99.5% have stopped caring. The PTB know this. 

The official version survived for so long because much of it was never questioned until recent years. 50 years wasted on "proving " Oswald could not have got to the 2nd floor on time - or that he could not have got to the Tippit scene on time. 50 years wasted pondering why he caught a bus and a cab. 50 years wasted on chasing shadows and trying to prove innocence through things that never actually happened. Meanwhile, the CIA and their media  partners successfully turned "conspiracy" from a legal to a pejorative term - aided and abetted by bona fide cranks too numerous to mention entering the case and providing more ammunition for media scorn and ridicule. The case is one small step from being relegated to the funny pages. And that is why so few care and why the PTB don't care that 80% intuit the truth.

We need a Coalition of the Don't Give a Fuck what Bullshit You Throw at Us - You're Going to Reopen this Fucking Case - And Here is Why...

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Re: PLAQUE 4: Specter covers up the Medical Evidence

Post by Terry W. Martin on Wed 17 Sep 2014, 12:10 am

Stan Dane wrote:When I read these Plaques I almost get depressed. Nothing about the official version of this case adds up. Nothing. It's like a dark, grotesque comedy. It's so obvious that there was a cover-up that it's embarrassing to have to even point it out. These Plaques are like an IQ test. Anyone who can fog a mirror should be able to pass the test with flying colors.
 
If something as obvious as this cover-up doesn't seem to even move the needle with anyone in government (or with those who ostensibly have "the power to speak, substantiate, and weaponize the truth") then what the hell will it take? Lobotomies?

It's as if a large number of people are under a spell. How is the spell broken?

Stan,

A musketeer never admits defeat and depression seems but one small step away. Buck up, mon ami. The fight is going to be long and hard... unless we can make it shorter, of course.

People are generally motivated by self-survival. If and until the issue becomes a survival issue, most people will simply ignore it even though they agree the case is unsolved.

As a corollary, most people I have spoken to - and that includes quite a few in the research community - think the case can never be solved. Then one wonders why they are bothering to research it.

Even the casual observer will note the variance of positions in the research community. So many are stuck on the Judyth Baker material or the James Files version of the assassination... many portend the events were part of a coup d'etat... others claim the mafia was the motivational lead...

Blah... blah... blah...

The lack of cohesion is both the blessing and the curse of the community. The frontiers are wide open and the sky is barely a limiting factor. Theories range as wide and as wild as the human imagination can create. People can fantasize to their heart's content.

That is why - at least to my mind - the idea of a conspiracy needs to be derailed (as it is wasn't already with all the misinformationists running amok in the forums).

FORGET any conspiracy.

IGNORE talk of conspiracy.

Start treating the case like a murder investigation and treat it as such.

Many cold case files are being reopened in the light of new evidence or evidence misunderstood at the time.

What we have here is just another unsolved murder having newer evidence uncovered, enough so to warrant a reopening of the case, AS A MURDER.

Any talk of conspiracy will get the idea shit-canned by the media... and everyone else. If we treat it like just another cold case without any mention of conspiracy or theories of such, we cannot be branded as "Buffs".

Several people have tried over the years to have a meeting of the minds with the various theoretical philosophies to try and creat a common face to the public but it has never happened. It won't happen because the delineation of the crime itself has never been mapped out.

Once the crime has been established and Lee Harvey Oswald has been cleared using the proper production of evidence, an investigation into conspiracy can begin.

As long as half (if not more) of the research community still believes Oswald had at least some part in the crime, there seems to be no way his name can ever get cleared.

And no way we can ever gain any traction to get the case reopened.

First, produce a legal brief revealing the evidence that shows Oswald was not a shooter, then push for a reopening of the case.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

On a lighter note, I have been working up my earlier idea "Feral Buell's Day Off". If you have anything to add to the idea, I would love to hear it.


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Re: PLAQUE 4: Specter covers up the Medical Evidence

Post by Hasan Yusuf on Wed 17 Sep 2014, 12:51 am

Terry W. Martin wrote:As a corollary, most people I have spoken to - and that includes quite a few in the research community - think the case can never be solved. Then one wonders why they are bothering to research it.

Terry,

I for one don't believe that the case can ever be completely solved, as I don't think we will ever know which vital pieces of evidence were destroyed. However, if the U.S. Government would declassify the still classified documents pertaining to the assassination, I think that we can come close to solving it.

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Re: PLAQUE 4: Specter covers up the Medical Evidence

Post by steely dan on Wed 17 Sep 2014, 1:14 am

An exhumation and skull xrays, which can be compared to the "official" ones, should tell a tale.

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Re: PLAQUE 4: Specter covers up the Medical Evidence

Post by Goban Saor on Wed 17 Sep 2014, 6:52 am

Terry W. Martin wrote:
That is why - at least to my mind - the idea of a conspiracy needs to be derailed (as it is wasn't already with all the misinformationists running amok in the forums).

FORGET any conspiracy.

IGNORE talk of conspiracy.

Contrary to what you suggest, Terry, an official US Government enquiry, the HSCA investigation, has concluded that there was a conspiracy involved in the JFK assassination.
 
That there was such a conspiracy has been the official position of the US Government since 1979 when the HSCA Report was published and the Warren Commission Report was thus superseded.

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Post by Terry W. Martin on Wed 17 Sep 2014, 7:39 am

Goban Saor wrote:
Terry W. Martin wrote:
That is why - at least to my mind - the idea of a conspiracy needs to be derailed (as it is wasn't already with all the misinformationists running amok in the forums).

FORGET any conspiracy.

IGNORE talk of conspiracy.

Contrary to what you suggest, Terry, an official US Government enquiry, the HSCA investigation, has concluded that there was a conspiracy involved in the JFK assassination.
 
That there was such a conspiracy has been the official position of the US Government since 1979 when the HSCA Report was published and the Warren Commission Report was thus superseded.

Yes, and they've done bloody little with it since. Which is my point.

Exactly what conspiracy and how should one go about looking into it? That's been the push for nigh on four decades and it has not progressed one iota.

Trying to get the case reopened as a conspiracy has done nothing even though the government has admitted as much.

That's why I think the conspiracy angle should be shelved and the case reopened as a murder investigation.

We might actually get somewhere for a change.

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Post by greg parker on Wed 17 Sep 2014, 7:47 am

Goban Saor wrote:
Terry W. Martin wrote:
That is why - at least to my mind - the idea of a conspiracy needs to be derailed (as it is wasn't already with all the misinformationists running amok in the forums).

FORGET any conspiracy.

IGNORE talk of conspiracy.

Contrary to what you suggest, Terry, an official US Government enquiry, the HSCA investigation, has concluded that there was a conspiracy involved in the JFK assassination.
 
That there was such a conspiracy has been the official position of the US Government since 1979 when the HSCA Report was published and the Warren Commission Report was thus superseded.
You are correct, Goban... but I think Terry is, too.

The term "conspiracy" has been successfully turned into a pejorative term. We don't have the power to turn that around and its use by us merely invites ridicule. It also seems to give license to leaps in logic and evidence free speculations.

It was a murder under Texas State law and maybe we do need to get back to basic detective work. There are guidelines for dealing with cold cases... and I'd be happy to see those followed.

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Post by Paul Francisco Paso on Wed 17 Sep 2014, 11:26 am

I think the word we are all looking for when it comes to this case is despair. Despair has been known to have triumphed over armies throughout history so we shouldn't be so hard on ourselves.

The bullshit is clear to see and its stench won't ever go away. That will never ever change whether it be 50 years or 1000 years. I take great comfort in that.

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Post by Stan Dane on Wed 17 Sep 2014, 12:24 pm

Good comments all.
 
I think what frustrates me most—and I know better than to succumb to this—is the delusion that facts and logic will win the day. They don't. They are essential, but in and of themselves they do nothing. There's an emotional part as well. It's a big part. I agree with Terry about survival issues/concerns of people, and those are certainly in the realm of emotion. And despair is a good way to put it, Paul.
 
That we have a conspiracy here is as clear as a bell, Goban. But thanks to Terry, I have moved over into the treat-this-as-a-murder-investigation camp. Have success here first and then the conspiracy will be uncovered. We probably will never know all of the details—I agree with Hasan here—but we can learn enough to make the guilty uncomfortable and achieve some sense of justice.  
 
The forces arrayed against us are formidable, but if our spirit is indomitable, we can persevere. 

So we keep our chins up, draw our swords, and fight on.

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Post by Stan Dane on Thu 18 Sep 2014, 5:05 am

steely dan wrote:An exhumation and skull xrays, which can be compared to the "official" ones, should tell a tale.
If they can determine with a high degree of confidence how King Richard III was killed over 500 years ago by examining his skull, I would think a new forensic examination of JFK would be telling.
 
http://www.livescience.com/47869-richard-iii-final-moments-postmortem.html

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Re: PLAQUE 4: Specter covers up the Medical Evidence

Post by Terry W. Martin on Thu 18 Sep 2014, 5:23 am

Stan Dane wrote:
steely dan wrote:An exhumation and skull xrays, which can be compared to the "official" ones, should tell a tale.
If they can determine with a high degree of confidence how King Richard III was killed over 500 years ago by examining his skull, I would think a new forensic examination of JFK would be telling.
 
http://www.livescience.com/47869-richard-iii-final-moments-postmortem.html

So very true, Stan.

And from their description, looks like the defeated King was treated more respectable than JFK.

I guess that's because we are more civilized than those medieval bastards.

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Post by steely dan on Thu 18 Sep 2014, 4:01 pm

Stan Dane wrote:
steely dan wrote:An exhumation and skull xrays, which can be compared to the "official" ones, should tell a tale.
If they can determine with a high degree of confidence how King Richard III was killed over 500 years ago by examining his skull, I would think a new forensic examination of JFK would be telling.
 
http://www.livescience.com/47869-richard-iii-final-moments-postmortem.html

How about Tutankamun?. In 50 years time, we may know exactly how he died. Contrast that with JFK. In 3000 years time, Jeff Morley will still be waiting to see Joannides file.

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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Fri 19 Sep 2014, 12:34 am

steely dan wrote:In 3000 years time, Jeff Morley will still be waiting to see Joannides file

If it wasn't true, I would say this is funny.

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Post by greg parker on Fri 19 Sep 2014, 6:58 am

Stan Dane wrote:
steely dan wrote:An exhumation and skull xrays, which can be compared to the "official" ones, should tell a tale.
If they can determine with a high degree of confidence how King Richard III was killed over 500 years ago by examining his skull, I would think a new forensic examination of JFK would be telling.
 
http://www.livescience.com/47869-richard-iii-final-moments-postmortem.html
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Post by Terry W. Martin on Fri 19 Sep 2014, 12:17 pm

Stan Dane wrote:When I read these Plaques I almost get depressed. Nothing about the official version of this case adds up. Nothing. It's like a dark, grotesque comedy. It's so obvious that there was a cover-up that it's embarrassing to have to even point it out. These Plaques are like an IQ test. Anyone who can fog a mirror should be able to pass the test with flying colors.

When I cruise around the other forums and JFK websites, I too can get depressed.

Then, I simply return here to peruse some Stan Dane Page Fodder and my faith in reality is restored again.

Before this stuff, I had no idea that anything about the case could be funny.

Thanks a bunch, Stan, and keep up the good work. Hopefully, it will lift your spirits as well.

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Post by Stan Dane on Sat 20 Sep 2014, 2:05 am

Terry W. Martin wrote:When I cruise around the other forums and JFK websites, I too can get depressed.

Then, I simply return here to peruse some Stan Dane Page Fodder and my faith in reality is restored again.

Before this stuff, I had no idea that anything about the case could be funny.

Thanks a bunch, Stan, and keep up the good work. Hopefully, it will lift your spirits as well.
Thank you, Terry. It does.
 
You mentioned once that the people that need to be here are here. I believe that too. This forum is different. There's no other forum where I would do what I do here. Others may feel similarly. We all have our talents (I wish I could express myself poetically like you) and everybody brings something unique to the table.
 
Greg is to be thanked for creating and maintaining the conditions that make this forum what it is.

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Post by Terry W. Martin on Sat 20 Sep 2014, 3:29 am

I'll raise a toast to that!
(non-alcoholic for me, of course)

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