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on Wed 14 Aug 2019, 12:31 pm
There is one person who had been present at the Magazine Street apartment and was friendly with Marina, familiar to June, and who could be linked with the Imperial Reflex camera. That is Ruth Paine, who arrived in New Orleans with Marina Oswald on Saturday May 11, 1963, and stayed through Tuesday morning May 14. On Sunday, the Oswald and Paine families (Ruth Paine had her own two children along) toured the French Quarter. On Monday, Lee Oswald would have gone to his job at the Reilly Coffee Company, leaving Marina and Ruth Paine together at the Magazine Street apartment.
Ruth Paine would visit this apartment again for several days in September 1963. For the Warren Commission she could draw a sketch of the interior and exterior layout of 4905 Magazine Street (CE403). She referred to the courtyard area where the photos were taken several times in her testimony:
Mrs. PAINE - ... Lee showed her, of course, all the virtues of the apartment that he had rented. He was pleased that there was room enough, it was large enough that he could invite me to stay, and the children, to spend the night there. And he pointed out this little courtyard with grass, and fresh strawberries ready to pick, where June could play ... Marina was definitely not as pleased as he had hoped. I think he felt – he wanted to please her. This showed in him.
Mr. JENNER - Tell us what she said. What led you to that conclusion?
Mrs. PAINE - She said it is dark, and it is not very clean. She thought the courtyard was nice, a grass spot where June could play, fenced in.
Mrs. Garner, the landlady, remembered Ruth Paine’s visits from observing her station wagon parked out front. She did not see Paine personally, but told the Warren Commission that her husband did.
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Ruth Paine sketched the Magazine St layout for the Warren Commission
Mr. LIEBELER - Did your husband see that person?
Mrs. GARNER - Yes; my husband.
Mr. LIEBELER - At this time.
Mrs. GARNER - Yes; my husband saw her and spoke to her. I never did see her.
Mr. LIEBELER - You say your husband had talked to her. Did he tell you what she had said?
Mrs. GARNER - No; I never asked him and he never said nothing. (WC April 6, 1964)
At the close of her testimony, Mrs Garner is addressed by Liebeler: “I do want to thank you for the patience that you and your husband have shown to me and for the cooperation you have given us in coming down here and testifying. On behalf of the Commission I want to thank you both very much.” If Mr Garner had testified and perhaps been asked the circumstance of his conversation with Ruth Paine it is not in the record. Despite his apparent presence during his wife’s appearance before Liebeler, there is no transcript of any interview with Jesse Garner from April 6, even as it would have been as relevant, if not more so, than what his wife could offer. Instead, a brief affidavit focused specifically and exclusively on his contacts with Lee Oswald is executed on May 3, 1964.
The New Orleans photo set is not listed among the group of photographs shown Marina Oswald on January 31, 1964. The photo set is listed and identified as among the group of photographs shown to Marina on March 20, a group which included many photographs belonging to the Paines.
If the Imperial Reflex camera was not Oswald’s - and the evidence assembled by the Warren Commission and the HSCA does little to install confidence in this assertion - its provenance can be located in circles close to Oswald, as seen with the backyard photos and the New Orleans set,15 and can be linked, directly or indirectly, with Ruth Paine.
https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/a-new-look-at-the-enigma-of-the-backyard-photographs-parts-1-3?tmpl=component&print=1
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on Wed 14 Aug 2019, 12:44 pm
The Warren Commission – through Commission lawyers Rankin and Liebeler – never questioned Marina Oswald with the intent of extracting details on the creation of the backyard photos, content to have her briefly recount her story of being interrupted by her husband while hanging diapers. The interviewers for the HSCA did a better job trying to tease specific information to help clarify the veracity of the story. These interviews occurred some fourteen to fifteen years after the fact so her already vague recollections are all the more challenged.
A. I do believe it was a weekend and he asked me to take a picture of him and I refused because I don't know how to take pictures. That is the only pictures I ever took in my whole life. So we argued over it and I thought the pose, or whatever he was wearing was just horrible, but he insisted that I just click, just push the button and I believe I did it twice and that was it ...
Q. And you recall testifying about these same two photographs when you testified to the Warren Commission?
A. Yes; I remember them asking if I ever took the pictures and I had completely forgotten because it was only once in my life and I didn't know who to take pictures. Yes, when they showed me that, yes, I did take the pictures ...
Q. What did he tell you to do with the camera as far as taking the pictures?
A. He just told me which button to push and I did.
Q. Did you hold it up to your eye and look through the viewer to take the picture?
A. Yes. ... (HSCA Deposition September 20, 1977)
The interviewer is well aware the Imperial Reflex camera said to have taken the pictures featured a viewer at the top of the camera that one looks down into, and that the camera is held mid-body rather than raised to the eye. He is also aware that the shutter is opened by pushing down on a small lever, a different mechanical activity than simply pushing a button. Marina Oswald’s recollections cast doubt on her story, as the operation of the Imperial Reflex is so different than most consumer cameras that it should not be easily forgotten.
Marina Oswald did, once, describe accurately the camera’s mechanics, as accounted in an FBI summary from February 18, 1964, when agents were keenly focused on locating the backyard camera and a week after Marina temporarily stayed with Robert Oswald in the house where the camera would be later be “found”. The summary ascribed to her, compared with her other statements on the topic, is absurdly detailed and contains information never repeated: “She said the American camera had a greyish color, somewhat like aluminum. It was a box-type camera ... She can recall that she sighted the camera by looking down into the viewer at the top of the camera ... ” (CE 1404)
Q. When you took the first picture you held it up to your eye?
A. Yes; that is what I recall.
Q. What did you do next?
A. I believe he did something with it and told me to push it again.
Q. The first time you pushed it down to take the picture?
A. Yes.
Q. And the first time, what happened before you took the second picture?
A. He changed his pose.
Q. What I am getting at is, did you give the camera to him so he would move the film forward or did you do that?
A. He did that.
Q. So you took the picture and handed the camera to him?
A. Yes.
Q. What did he do?
A. He said, "Once again," and I did it again.
Q. So he gave you back the camera?
A. For the second time; yes.
Q. Did he put the rifle down?
A. You see, that is the way I remember it.
Q. Did he put the rifle down on the ground between ––
A. I don't remember. (HSCA Deposition September 20, 1977)
https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/a-new-look-at-the-enigma-of-the-backyard-photographs-parts-1-3?tmpl=component&print=1



One question they could have asked Marina is who was taking care of Junie whilst you were taking these photos?
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on Wed 14 Aug 2019, 1:19 pm
In early February 1963, George de Mohrenschildt introduced Oswald to Volkmar Schmidt, a German oil geologist employed in Dallas by Magnolia Oil. During a small dinner party held at de Mohrenschildt’s home, a political and philosophical conversation ensued between Schmidt and Oswald lasting two hours, during which Oswald exhibited traits similar to the Warren Commission’s lone nut psychological profile. 15 Schmidt claimed Oswald seemed to him a man “desperate, spiritually, totally desperate ... His determination to leave an imprint in history was just incredible.” After redirecting Oswald’s spiritual desperation toward an antipathy to the far-right positions of General Edwin Walker, Schmidt came to believe this conversation triggered Oswald’s alleged obsession with Walker, which may have resulted in a failed assassination attempt two months later. 16
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From Oswald’s address book
Schmidt decided to arrange his own get-together for Oswald, at the house he shared with other Magnolia Oil employees including Ruth and Michael Paine’s friend Everett Glover. Schmidt described the event as one which he hoped could assist getting Oswald “out of his shell”, though he would not personally attend. Invited guests included the de Mohrenschildts and the Paines. 17 The Magnolia Oil party occurred on Friday night, February 22, 1963. Ruth Paine met Marina Oswald at this event, beginning a rapid transition for the Oswalds – from dependence on the generosity of the de Mohrenschildts to dependence on the generosity of the Paines.
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on Wed 14 Aug 2019, 3:57 pm
Greg Parker wrote:

Mick Purdy wrote:
I've always leaned toward the BYP's having been taken on a large format camera or at least an expensive model camera and then rephotographed the finished results with the Imperial Reflex. I'm not sure if that works with what we know about the films numbering and or other photo's allegedly taken with it but that's my thoughts.

Jake's idea that Taylor was holding Junie works for me.

But you've preempted my next concern: the Imperial Reflex.

To me, Marina's disavowing any memory of the IR plus having no idea  it was not held up to the eye, were credible. If they owned that camera and she admitted taking the photos (or one photo, as she initially said), why not admit owning the camera?

The IR was cheap and nasty... not the sort of camera someone like Taylor would own. And given his work and love of photography, it makes sense he would have his own camera in his car most of the time.

From September 1963, he worked for the Sellers Co which made radio and TV ads. Prior to that, he said he had been self-employed in the motion picture business in Dallas... though he later clarified that this too, was primarily making ads for TV.  

I am assuming that these places had facilities for still photography as well, for inclusion in ads and that they had a good deal of expertise in photo manipulation for the making of the ads. Moreover, if Taylor was self-employed in this industry during the time he knew the Oswald's, he would have flexible working hours. 

Let's look at the problems identified in Jeff C's piece.

My response in blue.
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A counterfeiter creating such forgeries would require: 

access to the Neely Street backyard; 

Taylor Definitely had access. Imagine an affair with Marina as a recently divorced man. It's very possible Ruth Paine had access to the Imperial Reflex camera

If Taylor was self-employed, he could have visited any time he wanted.


Correct.

assistance from at least one other person; 

Ralph K Johnson.

Take your pick of any number of candidates.


access to a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle and a pistol; 

As indicated in other threads, there is reasonable suspicion that Ruth ordered and collected those items.


Agreed.

access to the specific issues of The Worker and The Militant;

Not difficult if they were posted to Oswald at the PO box or to Ruth's home.


Agreed.

access to the Imperial-Reflex camera; for superimposition


I lean toward another camera taking the BYP's and then those being rephotographed with the Imperial Reflex camera.

The critical issue is "who owned it"? Taylor I believe had access to the type of technology required to make very good fakes.


Agreed! For me either Robert Oswald or Ruth Paine. If the HSCA Panel got it right then one of the Walker Pics (Only one according to them) was produced with the Imperial reflex camera which allegedly snapped the BYP's. That has to narrow the pool down to those closely associated to Oswald I'd imagine. If they also got it right about the New Orleans set of photos being taken with the IR camera then someone went to some trouble to establish that the Imperial reflex camera was in the Oswald's possession. 

and access to a photo featuring Oswald’s face (or two or three similar photos of Oswald ) 


That's an interesting point. A photo which was not available to the general public. Not available most likely to any others other than the counterfeiter's. Who would have such a photo? It would have to be from a photo I would imagine taken by someone who knew him. The photo of Oswald's face which appears in the Backyard Photo could never surface showing that headshot in another location. Not ever!

Might some photos have  been taken that never surfaced?

Dallas Police recreations staged at the location on November 29,1963 show mature flowered plants behind the subject and therefore date the backyard photos themselves, or at least a photo of the backyard used for a later composite, as generated some months ahead of the assassination. 

That appears to be plausible.

The counterfeiter would likely possess knowledge of a plot involving Oswald. 


Yes. I believe that once Oswald had been selected as the fall guy his face was inserted on the BYP figure. Noting that the scenario was preplanned in that the Patsy would be alleged to have assassinated the President with an MC rifle, and the Patsy would be alleged to have a gun on his person when captured by police. The news papers in the BYP's would help to reinforce the notion that the perpetrator had Communist leanings. 

Or was having a joke at his expense. In March, the only plausible plot involving Lee was the Walker incident, but there is no reason to believe it was anything but a publicity stunt. Framing him for JFK becomes plausible if the fakes were made from Sept on.

Alternatively, it cannot be ruled out that photos were taken in the Neely St backyard featuring an unknown male subject for a reason unrelated to the future assassination, possibly with Oswald’s assistance, and then later appropriated for another purpose by superimposing Oswald’s face.

Also plausible.
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on Thu 15 Aug 2019, 8:23 am
Courtesy of Linda G

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He is still living in Dallas.
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on Thu 15 Aug 2019, 9:54 am
greg parker wrote:Courtesy of Linda G

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He is still living in Dallas.
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on Thu 15 Aug 2019, 10:57 am
It's possible that somebody within the police force supplied person/s unknown with a reasonable quality head shot of Oswald to use in the BYP's.

Example:


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On the left is the crop of the backyard Oswald figure, and on the right is the crop of the police mugshot from New Orleans.

The look of the face in the Backyard photo's is consistent with a police mug shot or a passport photo or some form of identification photo. Looking straight at the camera with no smile.
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on Fri 16 Aug 2019, 11:32 am
Ralph was 40 when he died in '67 after a short, unnamed illness.

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Courtesy Linda Z. Hopefully she can come up with a physical description or photo...

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Yesterday at 12:05 pm
An update from the FB discussion on this. Jessica and Linda have really thrown themselves into the challenge, and Phil Hopley has also chimed in to help. This is the type of collaboration that makes a difference. I mean, the very worst that is going to happen from this is that some families are getting there family histories updated and having loved ones memorialized on Find-A-Grave via Linda.

Okay...so we don't have Ralph's data yet, but his father was only 5'5" and had polio.

Polio is not a genetic disease but is highly contagious and can stay dormant for 15 to 30 years.

What if young Ralph contracted it from his father with no ill-effects until into his 30s? One of the things that can happen is the withering of one leg. My father-in-law had polio as a kid and has a withered leg as a result - but he is now well into his 80s. Young Ralph was a Christian Scientist, They do not believe in medical treatment. They try and make do with prayer. All his obit says is that he died after a short illness at age 40. What if it was from complications from polio that he refused treatment for?

The thing is my father-in-law's withered leg is shorter and much skinnier than his other and he has to buy two pairs of shoes of different size and have one built up. Even with that, he stands much like we see in the Back Yard Photos. I don't have any photos of him and don't want t take one, but following is a comparison between a BYP and a bunch of kids with polio, some of who have withered legs. I think it demonstrates what I mean.

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