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Herbert "Leon" Lee

Post by greg parker on Fri 20 Jul 2012, 1:48 pm

From Mary Ferrell's database:


LAST LEE FIRST HERBERT MID/AKA LEON
ADDRESS 1026 N. Beckley, Dallas, TX; 1993: Garrison, TX (near LA-TX line)
'PHONE
SOURCES CD 86, pp. 559-565; CD 206, p. 140
COMMENT Claims FBI interviewed him soon after assassination.

Lee's obit shows he was a navy veteran who, for 30 years, lay flooring (6th floor anyone!) for a living until joining the Jefferson Texas Police Department
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/shreveporttimes/obituary.aspx?n=herbert-quotleonquot-lee&pid=128925162#fbLoggedOut

Of some interest may be that he was buried by the Life Tabernacle Church - whose members have famously been kidnapped by cult deprogrammers.

Questions in my mind:

Is it significant that he has the surname Lee, given Oswald allegedly boarded there using the name, O.H. Lee"?

Is his aka of "Leon" significant (given any real or purported "Leon" Oswald sightings)?

FBI interview with Lee shows he lived at the boarding house for 4 or 5 weeks in October and moved out on Nov 1. This means he (HLL) possibly obtained a room around the time that Oswald allegedly made his first attempt to room there (a time LHO was also supposedly in Mexico City). Was Mrs Johnson confusing the two when recalling late Sept or early Oct?

And if it was LHO who tried to room there in late Sept or early Oct, under what name would he have registered, given that when he was turned down, he allegedly went and boarded under his real name before returning to Beckley and boarding under an alias?


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Re: Herbert "Leon" Lee

Post by greg parker on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 9:35 pm

Posted at the Ed forum:

Lee,

there surely can't be any doubt that something is wrong with the presented picture. Whether that includes Oswald never having lived at this address remains to be seen, but like you, I think there is evidence pointing that way.

Here are some further points:

Yes, according to Lee, he and Watson moved out on Nov 1.

But according to this document, Watson was living at Beckley as of Nov 22:
http://www.maryferre...sPageId=993199#

As Lee claimed he didn't recall Oswald, but claimed Watson had actually conversed with him, I have been trying to find an FBI report on Watson, but haven't located one as yet.

I could be wrong, but I don't think the guest register exists in the volumes. IIRC, the names listed were obtained by private researchers in Dallas.

Here is the only documentary evidence for Oswald staying there: and it looks like that is possibly the only part of the registry in the evidence.
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh20/html/WH_Vol20_0148b.htm
The document looks like it could easily have been written in one sitting, but that of course is just the eyeballing of a non-expert. I say it because it has a "sameness" about it beyond what you'd see if it was in the same hand, but written on different days. Also in writing on different lines in one sitting, I believe you are more apt to get that slant you see in especially the "paid" column.

There was an Oswald sighting at a gas station near the apartments - but it turned out to be another lodger there. Can't recall his name, but none of the names on the lists produced so far ring a bell.

I started a thread on Herbert Lee recently here http://reopenkennedy...erbert-leon-lee

There is more that is potentially important, but it needs further nailing down.

The "more" being referred to was...  


http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/textsearch/advancedResults.do?queryStr=|james+watson|&singleDocType=DOCUMENT&startIndex=15

So Oswald had the phone number  of a bus driver on the Dallas to Shreveport run who at that time was sharing his home with his cousin, one Joe Cody of the DPD and friend of Ruby - and a "Jack Cody" was another boarder at the Johnson boarding house - where the house keeper was a sister to a Ruby friend.  
And finally, to complete the circle, Herbert "Leon" Lee was from Shreveport (per his obit) and would go on to become a cop in Jefferson County, Texas after being a floor layer for 30 years.

Here's what I think is at least one possible scenario: Mrs Johnson's claim that Oswald tried to rent a room from her in late Sept or early Oct is incorrect. It was Herbert Lee who rented the room. His claim that he and James Watson left there on Nov 1 is also incorrect because the FBI has Watson still at the boarding house immediately after the assassination. I think Herbert Lee disappeared at that time until the heat died down and some "evidence" was manufactured to put Oswald there. Then he contacted the authorities to give his statement. How Jack and Joe Cody and the Dallas to Shreveport bus driver fit in to the story, is yet another head-scratcher.


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Re: Herbert "Leon" Lee

Post by greg parker on Mon 08 Jul 2013, 2:21 pm

greg parker wrote:Posted at the Ed forum:

Lee,

there surely can't be any doubt that something is wrong with the presented picture. Whether that includes Oswald never having lived at this address remains to be seen, but like you, I think there is evidence pointing that way.

Here are some further points:

Yes, according to Lee, he and Watson moved out on Nov 1.

But according to this document, Watson was living at Beckley as of Nov 22:
http://www.maryferre...sPageId=993199#

As Lee claimed he didn't recall Oswald, but claimed Watson had actually conversed with him, I have been trying to find an FBI report on Watson, but haven't located one as yet.

I could be wrong, but I don't think the guest register exists in the volumes. IIRC, the names listed were obtained by private researchers in Dallas.

Here is the only documentary evidence for Oswald staying there:
http://www.history-m...Vol20_0148b.htm and it looks like that is possibly the only part of the registry in the evidence.

The document looks like it could easily have been written in one sitting, but that of course is just the eyeballing of a non-expert. I say it because it has a "sameness" about it beyond what you'd see if it was in the same hand, but written on different days. Also in writing on different lines in one sitting, I believe you are more apt to get that slant you see in especially the "paid" column.

There was an Oswald sighting at a gas station near the apartments - but it turned out to be another lodger there. Can't recall his name, but none of the names on the lists produced so far ring a bell.

I started a thread on Herbert Lee recently here http://reopenkennedy...erbert-leon-lee

There is more that is potentially important, but it needs further nailing down.

The "more" being referred to was...  


http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/T%20Disk/Tattler%20National/Item%2026.pdf

So Oswald had the phone number  of a bus driver on the Dallas to Shreveport run who at that time was sharing his home with his cousin, one Joe Cody of the DPD and friend of Ruby - and a "Jack Cody" was another boarder at the Johnson boarding house - where the house keeper was a sister to a Ruby friend.  

And finally, to complete the circle, Herbert "Leon" Lee was from Shreveport (per his obit) and would go on to become a cop in Jefferson County, Texas after being a floor layer for 30 years.

Here's what I think is at least one possible scenario: Mrs Johnson's claim that Oswald tried to rent a room from her in late Sept or early Oct is incorrect. It was Herbert Lee who rented the room. His claim that he and James Watson left there on Nov 1 is also incorrect because the FBI has Watson still at the boarding house immediately after the assassination. I think Herbert Lee disappeared at that time until the heat died down and some "evidence" was manufactured to put Oswald there. Then he contacted the authorities to give his statement. How Jack and Joe Cody and the Dallas to Shreveport bus driver fit in to the story, is yet another head-scratcher.
Firstly, sorry about the links in the above piece. Can't re find the ones not working and the thread I took this from at the Ed Forum seems to have disappeared.

Have just been reading about Barry Ernest's attempt to interview Kenneth Cody on behalf of Penn Jones. Jones apparently had Cody pegged as the pilot for a "getaway plane". Cody denied having a pilot's license and also denied ever knowing Oswald. Barry seems to have come away from the interview pretty well convinced that Jones was barking up the wrong tree. Unfortunately, the testy Cody cut the interview short, as he was trying to get his bus route under way, so no chance to ask whether he was related to Joe Cody, or knew anything at all about a "Jack Cody" living in a N Beckley boarding house. He (Cody), did say he had some real estate on the market and that Oswald may have had his number for that reason.

As it turned out, Joe Cody was interviewed for "No More Silence" (p476) and stated that Kenneth was his uncle. Joe mistakenly believed that Oswald had Kenneth's name and number in his notebook - but it was only the number. Joe confirmed that Kenneth was a pretty good carpenter and used to buy homes in Oak Cliff and fix them up and rent them out, and Oswald may have noted it to phone for a room. 

I think that's a reasonable explanation. However, on p469, Cody stated that he owned a plane...  so either he, or someone close to him, must have had a pilot license.

I wonder if this is the same Jack Cody as at N. Beckley?
Scroll to page 6... "well known atheist, Jack Cody..."
http://scholarship.rice.edu/bitstream/handle/1911/66644/thr19731108.pdf?sequence=1

Back to Herbert "Leon" Lee...

As noted, he was buried by the Life Tabernacle Church... regarded in some quarters as a cult.


The Abundant Life Church building was occupied in its latter years by Oak Cliff Christian Church aka Revival Tabernacle Church.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/racphotography/5006588426/
I can't say for sure that any of these churches are connected... but that is how it appears.

Here's one church which combines the names... "The Invocation was given by Tom Flannagan of the Abundant Tabernacle Life Church".
http://www.andoverks.com/Archive.aspx?ADID=88&PREVIEW=YES

Is it possible then, that Herbert "Leon" Lee was a member of the Abundant Life Church

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A completely off-the-wall explanation for "FR 55591" being written in Oswald's book... it was not anyone's phone number... "FR" also stands for "Federal Register" -- a daily government publication listing all changes and proposals for changes in agency rules and regulations...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Register

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Re: Herbert "Leon" Lee

Post by robert newell on Tue 09 Jul 2013, 5:13 am

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Re: Herbert "Leon" Lee

Post by greg parker on Tue 09 Jul 2013, 9:07 am

robert newell wrote:Smile 
Thanks Greg-topics like this really keep us long time lurkers going!!!

Thanks Robert.

I do think the number was written because of a room to rent. Written twice on separate pages possibly because Cody had two separate rooms at different addresses for rent and Oswald saw both, and noted both numbers, not realizing it was actually the same number.

I don't think I could ever prove it, but Herbert Lee may have been a police informant who finally decided to wear a badge himself. Informants often played parts in major sting operations.  I just can't swallow a coincidence that big - that a "H. Lee" was living where Oswald was allegedly using the "OH Lee" alias. I do think it's telling that the FBI did not note a physical description of Lee. the photo of him previously posted looks to me like it's from the '70s or '80s and there is no reason to believe he didn't bear at least some resemblance to Oswald in '63.

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Re: Herbert "Leon" Lee

Post by greg parker on Sun 12 Oct 2014, 4:47 pm

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