The Quick Hits Podcast: some lessons in Defamation Law for hosts Clark & Campbell

The Quick Hits Podcast ep:19

I listened to this podcast for the first time last night based on a hunch that Clark & Campbell would not be able to resist spinning recent events without the checks and balances provided by real time two-way communication. Such is the MO of craven cowards.

They did not disappoint. It starts at about the 45 minute mark and goes for about 10 or 15 minutes. 

I'll address some general issues before going to specifics.

Legal Issues


Firstly, they are delusional in thinking that they are protected by the First Amendment. If that were the case, people like Fetzer and Alex Jones could never have been successfully sued. That said, it is indeed harder to sue successfully for defamation in the US than in most other countries. What they don't seem to understand is that when they defame someone and that defamation is distributed to the country in which the person resides, that person can take action in his own country, the country of the defendant - or both!

https://kellywarnerlaw.com/united-states-defamation-law-faq wrote:Defamation Law FAQ: International & Internet Issues
Which English-speaking countries have the most plaintiff-friendly defamation laws?
Commonwealth countries — like The United Kingdom, Australia and Canada — are widely considered to have the most plaintiff-friendly defamation laws. As such, they’ve fielded their fair share of “libel tourism” cases — meaning residents of other jurisdictions find tenuous, but legal, links to their preferred jurisdiction, and then file the case there. All that, however, may change soon, as the UK is currently in the midst of updating their libel laws; one of the goals is to reduce the number of libel tourism cases filed in their country.

I’m a U.S. citizen who has lost a defamation lawsuit in Canada or the UK; do I have to pay it?
In 2010 the SPEECH Act was passed. In short, the SPEECH Act protects American citizens from having to remit damages in slander and libel cases filed in foreign jurisdictions that don’t have equivalent free speech protections as the United States.

Does Australia have equivalent free speech rights as the US? Absolutely. We just have different defamation laws because the right to free speech is not a license to falsely defame people by making up utter bullshit about them. 

Currently in the US...
Speech rights were expanded significantly in a series of 20th and 21st century court decisions which protected various forms of political speech, anonymous speech, campaign finance, pornography, and school speech; these rulings also defined a series of exceptions to First Amendment protections. The Supreme Court overturned English common law precedent to increase the burden of proof for defamation and libel suits, most notably in New York Times Co. v. Sullivan (1964). Commercial speech, however, is less protected by the First Amendment than political speech, and is therefore subject to greater regulation.



Currently in Australia...
We do not have or need our rights written down. It is established law and lore here that such freedoms exist in the "vibe" of the Constitution. As they are not written down, they cannot be taken away without a referendum to change our Constitution, with such an amendment specifically stating that we have no freedom of speech. Of course, no one is ever going to vote for that.

We are also covered by the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights which do clearly spell such rights out.



Actors Jeffrey Rush and Rebel Wilson have in recent years, successfully sued the gutter press for defamation.

What's in a name?
This pair of jackasses think they can avoid being sued by changing my name to "Greg Farker" and my home country to "Austria".

They are seriously out of touch with reality.

There is a case just commenced here by the Attorney General - the top law officer in the land. He is suing a public television network for defamation after a story was published alleging a senior member of government was the perpetrator of a rape in 1988 when he was 17 and the victim, 16.

His name was never used in the story. However, his lawyers will argue that there was enough information in the story to identify who was being accused. Indeed, many did very easily work out who it was, based on the clues given in the text, forcing him to come forward and identify himself as the accused.

Do they seriously think calling me "Greg Farker from Austria" gets them off the hook? I mean,  forget just how puerile that is. More importantly for them is - it's about as flimsy as a defense can get.

Will they now take the opportunity to edit out their nonsense, or would they like to roll the dice?

I'll give them 24 hours to think about it. In the mean while, time permitting, I will add a post addressing the specifics of the statements made.

As pranksters they are merely pranking themselves with the childish wordplay. They diminish their own credibility with that crap.

The JFK community seems to be riddled with crazy characters. No wonder they have hardly progressed since the last 50 years.

rob clark on fb wrote:I wish I had enough time to give a crap about what people say about me. In fact Greg, I find this post on Facebook and that post on your site, libelous and slanderous towards me, as well the comments from your members Jack and Vinny calling me childish and crazy. 

Am replying here because the thread got locked.

The above just underlines how utterly clueless you are. Nothing is libelous - unless it contains untruths. 

Childish? You betcha... guffawing away at your own lame joke in changing my name to "Farker". In fact, I'd kick my sons arses if they stooped to that level of "humor". 

And Vinny NEVER called you crazy. Read it again.

But here's where we're different...I dont give a flying f*@#! I have a job and family that mean more than having a pissing match online with somebody from the other side of the globe.

I see. Your whole defense is that you need to defame people for entertain purposes because it boosts the income you rely upon for your family. Get a REAL job. JFK is not a subject for entertainment (and please note here - it is not me categorizing the show a "entertainment". That is the category he has it listed under).

As for "pissing contests", it seems you are more than happy to have them when your mouth-breathing side-kick is holding your hand and you know your target cannot immediately or directly respond to your bullshit. It is only when your target makes a stand to defend themselves that you suddenly don't like "pissing contests". 

Don't want to play? Easy. Stop your pissing.

I am giving you the opportunity to do the right thing and cut that defamatory bullshit from the podcast.  You must be familiar with the phrase "let sleeping dogs lie". It was YOU who chose not to do that, so why act so surprised when the sleeping dog stands up and sinks his teeth in? 

I am giving you the opportunity to undo that by editing out your bullshit. This ain't ending until it's done.

Let me see if I can get this straight....Rob ( and his buddy) do a podcast that involves the most puerile adolescent " humour" imaginable but somehow YOU'RE the one who's being childish!!!

The great dialectician Stevie Gaal must be just blushing with pride ..

So " Quick Hits" is advertised as " entertainment"?....

That confirms my long held belief that the said podcast has as much to do with serious historical research as " Two Plumbers Go Bumpity Bump in the Night" has to do with " psychical research"

Forget Stevie Gaal...Don Jeffries and Kris Millegan must be giggling with pride...

alex wrote:So " Quick Hits" is advertised as " entertainment"?....

Presumably.

Rob's certainly is.


That was the defense used by Alex Jones in his libel case.

"Fellas, I don't really mean anything I say... I'm like the wrestling. I'm just in the entertainment industry, honest Injun!"

I fully understand why some suggest I should let this go because on some level, it just seems unworthy. But I have a zero tolerance for bullshit of the malicious or destructive variety - and also of the exploitation of children, the elderly, the infirm and the mentally ill for personal gain. 

On of the themes that keeps running through his protests is that I am interfering somehow in his ability to earn money.  

So fuck him, fuck his exploitation of Savastano and fuck his "entertainment" podcast.

What was the greatest meeting in history? 

Was it Alexander the Great and Diogenes the Cynic? The latters laconic remark exposing the true fragility of worldly power?

Or what about Julius Caesar and Cleopatra? ( the last pharaoh and heir to Ptolomy , who, according to contemporary reports was no great beauty and who was then losing the bitter incestuous war with her husband and brother.. using all her famous guile she endeavoured to smuggle herself in to the Roman conquerors presence rolled up in a carpet)

Or what about Hannibal? Meeting with his greatest disciple Scipio Africanus on the barren dust scarred plains of Zama?

Or the vagrant Gallilean preacher summoned before the cynical Roman prefect? The glow of the harsh Iudean sun causing the lining of his cloak to turn a fearsome blood red...

Or what about something a little more modern?

St Francis of Assisi entering the great Saladin's camp, trying to convert the Sultan and end the bloodshed?

Or for us British bastards how about the immortal Nelson encountering the future Duke of Wellington in a humble waiting room at Horseguards?

Elvis and Sam Phillips? Malcolm X and Martin Luther King? Nils Bor and Werner Heisenberg discussing the potentially catastrophic ramifications of splitting the atom?
Or what about the Beatles meeting the Bard of Hibbing for the first time in a NY hotel room ( Delmonico's I think) Dylan pulled out a joint thinking the Fabs were already fellow heads ( he had misheard a line in I Want to Hold Your Hand)

For centuries historians, cultural commentators and sociologists have argued, fulminated and debated...for aeons in fact...since Sargon of Akkad discovered the Royal sandal bearer and the Royal dung eater carving huge bulbous headed phalluses on his brand new frieze dedicated to Nanni the Moon God...( See the 3rd episode of Season Six of Ancient Aliens...when Giorgio speculates that the subsequent wall carvings, depicting Brianna the Seedless and Stevie the Immaculate Gaalstone engaged in some undefined coprophagous activities were actually glyphs showing a ponytailed flying saucer landing on a vast jobby shaped peninsula)...so what was the most important influential meeting in history?

That question can now be definitively answered...

What's more a fellow ROKCer, our very own troll punk overlord in fact, was present to witness this epochal meeting of intellects..

I'm only surprised the internet didn't break...all that compressed genius in one place at one time!!!

Thats right folks!! You've guessed it!! Approximately 2 weeks ago, on the Lone Gunman podcast Facebook page the Ponytailed Polycritus himself, the self styled genius detective from Sanibel, Brian Doyle, encountered the self proclaimed greatest JFK assassination researcher in the world!! The whiny nasal voiced anti semitic ex cop Cory Hughes...

What weighty issues did these two vast intellects focus on? What cerebral cogitations gushed forth ? Just how many Jews were hidden under Jackie Kennedy's pill box hat?

What mind blowing revelations were shared? What did we poor unworthy troll punks learn from this , the  most monumental summit in the history of humanity?

David Ferris wasn't in Dallas that day..and er...well not a lot more actually... just a lot of juvenile boasting and about the lamest saggiest attempt at braggadocio and one upmanship since Stevie Gaal left his handmade lifesize paper mache Beverly Oliver doll out in the rain.

The Hughes Doyle Effect could well be a JFK assassination research centric refinement of the Dunning Kruger Effect.

The less one person knows ; the more certain they are they know it. Or maybe even more appropriate- the " researchers" gullibility is directly proportional to their own self perceptions..

Doug Campbell I could never abide. I found his loud brash carnival barker style intensely irritating. Plus the fact he had Paul fucking Trejo on his show. Trejo is in a class all by himself. Beneath even the Doyle's, the two Dickies , the hobbits and even the squeaky voiced HGH huffing ex chiropractors..

Not only is he a shameless pathological liar he epitomises the mindset of the hateful bigoted reactionary.

I quite enjoyed listening to some of Rob's stuff..thus I'm more disappointed than angry. 

What they said about Greg was utterly disgusting and completely unwarranted. And to use the audio snippet of Alan Dale at the top of the show was pretty sneaky and underhanded.

How anyone could give ANY credence at all to Carmine's disjointed ramblings... but I guess once again that's just my naivety showing... people will grab onto any straw, no matter how weak or broken, if they think they can twist it to support the fantasy they've constructed for themselves...

For the life of me I can't understand the venom directed at Prayerman...perha pe it's Greg ( and ROKCs) unwillingness to make a religious icon out of it...

Despite all the big talk and bluster this so called research community has been singularly unsuccessful.

Prayerman is neither a cult, nor is a serious interest in developing the evidence the equivalent of drinking kool aid ; to my mind it represents the last real chance of getting this case solved.
To pretend it's just a fuzzy photo, entertain preposterous fantasies masquerading as " science" or to dismiss it with a haughty indifference and a curt wave of the hand is tantamount to admitting defeat.

Certain Conspiracy Theories DO allow stupid people to feel intelligent... because their idiosyncratic notions of Conspiracy and history allows them to set the parameters; they answer the questions that THEY THEMSELVES HAVE ASKED

Certain individuals in this " community" nurture a special animus for this forum because this forum doesn't play the game. We don't close our eyes whenever it suits us; feigning blindness as the yearly cavalcade of hustlers and fake witnesses traipse across the conference podiums..

The fundamental dictum seems to be ; Because the Warren Commission lied so can we...

In my opinion a lot of people drift into the wild and wacky domain of Conspiracy-dom because they couldn't hack it out in the real world.

The world of three dimensions and five senses...a world where " Duh the CIA faked Oswalds dental records" is not regarded as an acceptable argument.

It's become a cosy self sealing niche...an echo chamber full of like minded 
refugees.

Individuals with absolutely no knowledge , experience and training in highly complex disciplines become experts overnight after reading some fucking conspiracy book..

Sorry for the rant folks but it makes me so angry. I'm getting mighty tired of watching this procession of utter clowns and pompous bellends make an absolute mockery of a subject I care about..

To read Cory Hughes scolding Greg ...you know it wasn't even funny...

The conspiracists exist in a wonderfully self fulfilling fantasy dimension... when their nonsensical arguments are dismissed they get to scuttle back in triumph.. claiming that the nefarious forces have shut them down...

They called the segment "allow me to retort". Amazing, because I was not in anyway stopping them from doing that on the LGP facebook page where the discussion was taking place. In fact, one or two of my posts were deleted by Rob, while Dougie-boy bravely came to Rob's rescue, did his good ol' boy schtick and then blocked me. 

So really... the whole segment was for the sole purpose of spitting more bullshit without having to deal directly with me calling it out. Behavior of cowards and hypocrites. And then they have the hide to cry that I responded anyway, claiming they don't want a "pissing contest".  Honestly, you can't make this stuff up.

The podcast segment starts with Rob extolling the virtue of Carmine's credibility and research skills and in particular, his insistence on always having evidence to back his claims. Which is more bullshit.

He was repeatedly requested to supply evidence for his assertions here, and couldn't 
https://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t990p25-most-official-evidence-is-required-to-proving-a-feasible-conspiracy

And here, https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/21756-how-important-is-bill-kellys-thread/page/6/
he was admonished by the admins for trolling, baiting AND failure to provide supporting evidence for his claims. 

He turned up in that thread for the sole purpose of trolling and baiting.

And like all narcissists, he now accuses his targets of being the stalkers.

https://medium.com/@OwnYourReality/projection-the-narcissists-weapon-that-can-be-used-against-them-7ebb63848998#:~:text=In%20the%20case%20of%20narcissists,of%20misdirection%20and%20blame-shifting. wrote:Essentially, all narcissists tell on themselves.
Projection is the process through which they reveal who they are and what they’re doing.
Through projection, they call you what they are. They accuse you of doing what they’re doing or planning on doing. They throw all the uncomfortable feelings onto you because they don’t want to deal with them. They throw their shame on you so they don’t have to deal with it. They make you feel guilty for who they are and what they’re doing because they’re unable to feel that guilt themselves.

Posted a couple of days ago on his FB page


This has now descended to low-rent farce. The above scam that Carmine admits he fell for, is as common as muck.  What is hilarious is that in other posts, he brags of how smart he is to have worked out he was scammed! And this, plus gaming and/or porno sites, plus some infected software designed to actually get rid of viruses - are all likely causes of his issues.

His evidence that ROKC was doing all of this? A couple of posts on the old site between two members who said they joined the Ed Forum thread on Prayerman to try and get Carmine to stop his trolling. That's it. That is his evidence that myself and others here have stalked, harassed and hacked his computer for 7 years. Oh and almost forgot. The capture of that conversation was sent to Carmine by our old friend Tom Scully - one of the most annoying people to ever draw breath. While Carmine has a full-blown disorder, Scully is at least a borderline narcissist himself. Mixed with a few other things..

In another series of posts...

 

But Rob will not help, beyond having him on his show, knowing people love train wrecks - and Carmine will not stop voluntarily because he cannot help himself. 

Rob needs to delete the segment (which was really nothing more than a pissing contest without an opponent - because actually engaging one on one with me would be unfair on Rob and his sidekick) and make a commitment to never give Carmine a platform again. It is like giving a six pack to an alcoholic. 

Man up and do the right thing, Rob.

In all fairness this whole sorry affair just stinks. The presenters of the podcasts(  Quick Hits and the other one featuring Carmine himself) , come across poorly. Opportunists... callous, petty and most of all exploitative. 

As I said upstream, I've never had much time for Doug, however that was, and is,  purely subjective, a matter of personal taste. I found the good ole boy shtick and loud obnoxious style jarring.  Also even  entertaining Trejo's blatant distortions and fabrications  , much less imbuing his " CT" with the tiniest modicum of credibility was ( IMHO) a gross error of judgement.

I always thought Rob's stuff was pretty good. Going way back to his old Conspiracy Critic site .im  really disappointed that he saw fit to bad mouth Greg. 

Maybe he thought he was doing his friend a favour. Surely to God even the briefest, most superficial perusal of Carmine's " evidence" should have been enough to convince him that his friend needed serious help. Surely he has the intelligence and the integrity to realise that shoving a microphone under his nose was NOT going to resolve matters, nor indeed alleviate his friends obvious distress.


Even, hypothetically speaking, if Carmine DID have some real, actionable " evidence" to back up his fantastical claims, this is something that should have been dealt with behind closed doors.

Someone close to Carmine should have had the basic decency to have a quiet word with him.

The very last thing anyone should have done is to have provided someone, who quite obviously has emotional problems, access to a public platform. 

There's absolutely no justification for what they did. Putting Carmine on air was almost unbelievably cruel and thoughtless. Listening to what was in essence the disjointed ramblings of a disturbed individual was not only cringeworthy but profoundly distressing.

It was obviously designed to attract listeners,. Appealing to the very lowest common denominator. There was nothing remotely " entertaining"  about witnessing a public meltdown. It had even less to do with " JFK assassination research" than the odious Paul Trejo and some of the other illustrious guests Mr Campbell has given airtime to.

I've read through the threads in question here, Carmine was treated with nothing but courtesy and respect.

Then to further compound the original mis step by insulting Greg, and in such a puerile adolescent way ... quite frankly it's embarrassing.

The excuses offered so far have been risible.

I don't think someone who " helped" his friend, by giving that friend the opportunity to publicly humiliate themselves (instead of imploring him to seek the help he so obviously and desperately needs..)then to launch into a spineless on air titterfest, that reminded me of a couple of drunken jocks performing a Benny Hill skit, is really in any position to criticize the person whom they abused and vilified when he attempts , very reasonably, to set the record straight.

I suspect a lot of the animosity directed at Greg, this forum and indeed Prayerman , is fundamentally ego based.

The most vociferous opponents are those who nurture soaring egotistical fantasies of solving the case singlehandedly...

Rather than contribute meaningfully, they'd rather sabotage the effort. Or at least try to.
Greg, I implore you, please don't stress yourself. For Gregs and indeed for Carmine's sake too surely the obvious solution is to pull both the podcasts off the air and try to draw a line under the whole unfortunate incident.

There's enough negatively out there already...not to mention negative individuals who thrive on discord and take great delight in the misfortune of their self declared enemies.

I'd have to think of Rob, someone who has done good work and who seems to have an impressive understanding of this case go the way of the Jeffries on " Truth Frequency Radio", the Dammegards, the Fetzers and the other unnamed ( and indeed unnameable) wannabe svengalis of doubt, division and fear.

Parasites and chancers who use " Conspiracy" to further their own nefarious agendas..

Sermon over...our " Conspiracy Chicks" in their skimpy tin foil bikinis will now be passing round the Truth Frequency Radio yarmulke Don Jeffries wore when he interviewed Cory Hughes... please give generously..

No shekels accepted

Unless I'm missing an in-joke, it isn't only Indian computer scammers who've taken advantage of Carmine.

I was amused by the first name on the list of "Identified ROKC Hackers, Harassers, Stalkers", most of whom aren't actually members of ROKC as far as I'm aware. For anyone unfamiliar with English football (aka soccer), Jürgen Klopp is the manager of Liverpool FC.

If Mr Savastano is reading this, please make an appointment with your doctor and tell him or her about this campaign of harassment.

Even, hypothetically speaking, if Carmine DID have some real, actionable " evidence" to back up his fantastical claims, this is something that should have been dealt with behind closed doors.

Carmine couldn't help but brag about how he outsmarted us all. He also seems to think that by writing  his "casebook", he could spin it into a money-making exercise with people running to hire him for help on all sorts of things.

He seems to have been genuinely hacked - but by common garden-variety hackers and scammers. His evidence pointing to the people he names is non-existent and resulting from projection. He knows he stalked and trolled us but his disorder makes him twist that around. 

That Clark or anyone else bought into this, is disgusting - but what can you expect? They all bought into his being some sort of gun researcher and writer too, after he burned all his bridges on the forums.

JeremyBojczuk wrote:Unless I'm missing an in-joke, it isn't only Indian computer scammers who've taken advantage of Carmine.

I was amused by the first name on the list of "Identified ROKC Hackers, Harassers, Stalkers", most of whom aren't actually members of ROKC as far as I'm aware. For anyone unfamiliar with English football (aka soccer), Jürgen Klopp is the manager of Liverpool FC.

If Mr Savastano is reading this, please make an appointment with your doctor and tell him or her about this campaign of harassment.

Unfortunately not an "in-joke".

There is a guy on FB who goes by the name of Kleep Klopp. He may or may not have been a member of ROKC at the other site, but he is on various JFK FB groups.  KK is - I believe - a German living in Sydney - but Carmine obviously did a google search and decided he had to be the football manager in England. You can't make this stuff up. Not unless you are the reincarnation of Mycroft Holmes (which in case you're not aware, Carmine believes he is).

I've just sent Mrs Hudson round to the tobacconist for 3 pounds of their heaviest shag tobacco...after puffing meditatively for a couple of hours ( not since Stevie Gaal blocked the toilets of Southern California after attending the X Files premiere with a midget Taiwanese Dana Scully impersonator has there been such an obvious 3 pipe problem) whilst tunelessly scraping at my fiddle... I think I've finally cracked the. Case...

Jurgen Klopp is the Liverpool manager, right?

The late DJ John Peel was a huge Liverpool supporter...John Peel was in Dallas at the time of the assassination, and actually attended the " Midnight Press Conference" purporting to be a correspondent from one of the big Fleet Street papers...

John Peels real name was John Ravenscroft... and Ravenscroft was actually Mycroft Holmes long lost twin brother...he disappeared up the Amazon River in a hatbox..and was never seen again.. according to the Holmes family myth he became the chief of the Bradenton Indians and fathered a gigantic brood of kids with his 123 wife's ..
Don't you get it?

JFK was actually killed by Cathool McSpool, and Bill Shankly..
Bill , who was on holiday in Dallas, was holding an impromptu training session up on the grassy knoll... playing keepy uppy with James Files and Otto Skornezy...Otto booted the ball over Lee Bowers watchtower and in a fit of rage Cathool ( Liverpool's ballboy at the time...and no Stevie Gaal and Larrytrotter " ballboy" doesn't mean what you think it means) flung a frangible football boot at Otto's head. His SS Illuminati CIA training kicked in instinctively, causing Otto to duck and the football boot ( specially designed by Mitch Werbell) soared over the picket fence , hitting JFK in the temple...

Where do I sign up for the Dallas Action Podcast?