Secret Service Agent Paul Landis Claims he Retrieved a Bullet from Behind JFK’s Limo Seat

Vanity Fair has an article on a new book written by Secret Service agent Paul Landis where Landis claims he recovered a bullet from a crevice behind JFK’s limo seat and placed it on JFK’s stretcher.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/09/new-jfk-assassination-revelation-upend-lone-gunman

If true, this totally upends the case. It suggests that the “magic bullet” did not emerge from the throat but only penetrated a short distance into JFK’s back. It also suggests the throat wound was a from another shot which would have to have been fired from the front unless it was created from debris from the head shot which I think unlikely as JFK was reaching for his throat long before the head shot. Would he reach for his throat from a shallow back wound? I doubt it.

While Landis’s account explains some puzzles, it leaves others. How did Clint Hill and the others who helped unload JFK miss seeing this bullet?

https://www.amazon.com/Final-Witness-Kennedy-Service-Silence-ebook/dp/B0C1ZZ54TC/ref=sr_1_1?Adv-Srch-Books-Submit.x=0&Adv-Srch-Books-Submit.y=0&qid=1694301899&refinements=p_28%3Athe+final+witness&s=books&sr=1-1&unfiltered=1

How did Clint Hill and the others who helped unload JFK miss seeing this bullet?

Maybe because he is another in the Congo Line cashing in on what punters want to hear.

Fuck him if it is bullshit and fuck him bigger if it isn't, for not talking when it mattered.

Landis was not called by the Warren Commission but he did testify before the HSCA. I wonder if he committed perjury.

lanceman wrote:Landis was not called by the Warren Commission but he did testify before the HSCA. I wonder if he committed perjury.

He still would have had a duty to report it. And he most likely did file a report on his duties and movements for the day.

This article has a short interview with him in 2017. He sounds sentimental about Camelot telling a story of one day at the White House:

https://www.cleveland.com/chagrinsolonsun/2017/03/post_98.html

Gives a peak at his personality and demeanor.

Jake_Sykes wrote:This article has a short interview with him in 2017. He sounds sentimental about Camelot telling a story of one day at the White House:

https://www.cleveland.com/chagrinsolonsun/2017/03/post_98.html

Gives a peak at his personality and demeanor.

From that story - he lodged a letter of resignation when he got back to Washington.

He was one of those out drinking at the Cellar until the wee early hours. That might explain his resignation. 

And this
He was told they had been given the report he filed in the days following Dallas.

Obviously no mention of finding a bullet in that report. Hard to believe he would not have thought it was not important enough. If he did not understand it then, he must have heard about the controversy in the following years. 

Sorry Jake. I'm not buying his story. He is cashing in on his proximity to history and in the words of Buell Frazier regarding his own bullshit stories, giving the people what they want to hear.

"Sorry Jake. I'm not buying his story. He is cashing in on his proximity to history and in the words of Buell Frazier regarding his own bullshit stories, giving the people what they want to hear."


It's not an unreasonable conclusion. It's evident that over the years he has been engaged in activities to draw attention to himself. Keynote speaker at the Chagrin Falls Chamber of Commerce. Maybe he got fed up with penny ante games. He's never going to gain credibility by his words alone though and that appears to be all there is to his story. It does seem like the most rational explanation for the pristine bullet yet, but again that doesn't prove anything.

Even if it is the truth... way too late now. No one is going to listen among those who can act on it. He is admitting to withholding evidence and if charges can still be laid for that, they should be. He can then go to court and admit he made it up for book sales. Or stick to it and accept the consequences.

He and the others were allegedly drinking nonalcoholic drinks called Salty Dicks all night at the Cellar.  I don't know anyone anyone who drinks nonalcoholic beverages all night in a place like that. It's bullshit. 

The name implies use in picking up women for sex. You don't pick up women with soda pops. 

I can't find any reference to any drink with that name. But there is a cocktail called a Salty Sperm. Milk, salt, vodka.

According to the recipe, if your target can drink this, you know she will perform certain acts. 

Those bastards were out DRINKING and PARTYING with the hookers that hung out in the Cellar. 

Ancient Australian curse: May his chooks turn into emus and kick his dunny down.

To keep the vibe going, Kirkwood laid down the law to his staff: “All policemen, all reporters, all pretty girls, all musicians, all doctors, all lawyers, and all our personal friends come in free and get free drinks forever.”

He went into great detail about the circumstances that led seventeen off-duty Secret Service agents to drink at the Fort Worth Cellar until as late as five-thirty on the morning of November 22. The record remains unclear as to whether any of the president’s protective detail had hangovers on that fateful day because after two week’s worth of interrogation, Kirkwood finally sent the Secret Service away convinced that the club only served alcohol-flavored drinks, not the real thing. He neglected to tell them about the alcoholic “specials” given away to VIPs.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/the-king-of-clubs/

If he would agree to make a deposition under oath as to what really happened, I would be willing to offer immunity from any legal sanction except for any perjury committed during sworn deposition. It certainly doesn’t help that his story came out in a book he stands to profit from.

I have a hard time believing that nobody else saw the bullet in the car, saw Landis retrieve the bullet nor did anyone else see it on the stretcher.

Does Landis appear in Laffite’s diary?

Joe Backes has delved into this as well.

https://justiceforkennedy.substack.com/

Looks like Paul Landis is the new trendy Nazi at the Speculation Forum, 6 threads of this disinfo bs.

barto wrote:Joe Backes has delved into this as well.

https://justiceforkennedy.substack.com/

Looks like Paul Landis is the new trendy Nazi at the Speculation Forum, 6 threads of this disinfo bs.

He is right. Absolute bullshit. But I doubt his suggestion it is simply to muddy the waters. Money. Yes, I know about his age and missed opportunities to cash in in the past. Better late than never.

Also not sure where Joe gets the drink as being a Salty Dog.

There are two sources for it being Salty Dicks. Death of a President is one and the HSCA is the other.

Different altogether.

In order to make their books stand out many JFK authors add things to spice them up. As Greg pointed out earlier Frazier did that in his book. This seems to be something similar. As we approach November I guess more such nonsense will be forthcoming.

I looked at photos of the limo to look at the crevice where the bullet supposedly ended up. Seems doubtful that it could have been securely held there. It would have been about where Clint Hill was straddling the back seat. Perhaps Hill’s weight forced it down into the crevice. But Hill was still on the rear foothold trying to climb over the trunk when the limo was accelerating and approaching the Stemmons Freeway turn. I would think the bullet would have rolled out of its position from the limo’s acceleration and turns.

If Landis is truthful, the throat shot was an entrance wound and either the bullet is still in the body and the X-rays were altered or the bullet was removed prior to the autopsy per the body alterationists. This goes against my judgement that all the shots* were from behind and the body alterationists are wrong.

* From either two shooters or one shooter with a rifle that could be fired more rapidly.

Already a best seller.

If only I had that kind of backup…..

I get Doyle instead

Has Landis identified CE-399 as the intact bullet he found in the limo?

lanceman wrote:Has Landis identified CE-399 as the intact bullet he found in the limo?

Could be wrong. but I believe that is the assumption being made in the media. Has any journalist asked yet? Not as far as I know. 

From the wiki page of Landis' "co-author".

Robenhalt helped former Secret Service agent Paul Landis "process his memories" of the JFK Assassination, enabling Landis to write his memoir The Final Witness (2023).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Robenalt

This is the same technique used initially by Judyth Vary Baker via her earliest enabler, to come up with her fantastical story.

From my essay on Judyth:

1996: Angela’s Ashes is published to wide critical and popular acclaim. It is a memoir written in the creative nonfiction genre by Frank McCourt. Judyth commences work in the English Faculty at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette where she meets Prof. Joe Riehl. Riehl has an interest in the Kennedy assassination and Judyth tells him of her “connection” to it via working at Reily’s.


Riehl and Baker come to believe she has “repressed” memories which he helps her retrieve. Riehl also suggests she take Luis Urrea’s Creative Nonfiction classes where she learns to organize her memories and reconstruct events she has “recovered”.
https://gregrparker.com/the-making-of-a-fantasist

I feel nothing but disgust that so many are falling over themselves to back this obvious bullshit.

Seems to be another distraction for the CT community. Keeps them going around in circles. The EF is giddy with excitement.

Can’t rule out a disinfo scheme but I would think the caretakers of the coverup would just want to let sleeping dogs lie.

I agree with Gregg’s assessment (if I understand it correctly) that there is some kind of psychological distress aspect to the revelation. In addition, there may well be a profit motive. If Landis has a terminal illness he may want to supplement any inheritance for his heirs, though I hate thinking that. Not sure about the co-author’s motives.

Supposedly, reading “Six Seconds in Dallas” awakened Landis’ interest in the case. I haven’t read that book but I’m sure there is a photo of CE-399 in it. I don’t recall hearing about Landis having an “Aha!” moment upon seeing CE-399 as the bullet he claims to have handled.

I don’t recall hearing if anyone has even asked Landis if CE-399 was “his” bullet. So it looks like it is only assumed that it is.

The EF has revived the “shot from the sewer” theory. How can people who have argued for years that the wound at the lower right rear of the head is an exit wound presenting obvious evidence of a shot from the grassy knoll above JFK now say the same wound originated from a shot from below the limo?

Even Don Jeffries who believes in just about every conspiracy out there does not believe it.

https://donaldjeffries.substack.com/p/new-jfk-assassination-magic-bullet

Julian Read, an aid to Governor Connolly, had asked Nelly Connolly what had happened in the limo during the shooting. This was when the governor was brought into surgery. She said the first shot hit the president and when her husband turned around to see what happened, he too was hit. Read relayed this to the press at Parkland Hospital right after Malcolm Kilduff’s announcement that JFK was dead and before the press conference given by Dr. Perry and others. 

This is the earliest account that JFK’s neck wound and Connally’s wounds were the result of two distinct shots. It is a recollection given perhaps 30 minutes after the assassination and is untainted by other accounts.

The Connolly’s maintained that the governor’s wounds were from a different bullet than what caused JFK’s initial wounds for the rest of their lives.

https://youtu.be/9Uyu-tpKZqY?si=Q3ODe7l-b3mV7wLp&t=890

It’s one guy’s testimony. Why, all of the sudden, are we (and when I say “we”, I am speaking for the pseudo-skeptics) taking testimony seriously?

We had dozens of people testifying that shots came from the “grassy knoll”.
We had testimony that a guy stationed in front of the motorcade took a shot, tossed the gun to a different guy, and climbed into a car and drive off.
We had testimony from the doctors at Parkland Hospital that the lower back right side of JFK’s head was blown out, and his brain dripping out.
None of it mattered.

Until now?
Now, sixty years later, a guy says, “I pulled a bullet out of the car”, and everyone starts questioning the official narrative?

I believe dude found a bullet in the car, but it’s not the “magic bullet” that upends the Warren Report. The Warren Report was discredited decades ago, by Mark Lane and others.

The WR has been discredited in your eyes and mine a long time ago.  And in the eyes of the relatively small group of people paying attention. 60 years later that hasn't been enough for resolution or redress.
 
What's needed is irrefutable evidence of  (1) Oswald's innocence, and (2) the involvement of others in the murder.
 
Fortunately progress has been made on both points.
 
We now have Oswald's alibi as recorded by Hosty, and the Darnell and Wiegman films that may verify that alibi are being seriously sought.  For example in the MFF law suit.
 
There is evidence of two close together head shots, not one. That was the conclusion of Josiah Thompson's new book (he thinks there likely was at least 5 shots based mostly on acoustical evidence) and there will be a presentation on that by him and others at Duquesne University in November.
 
Btw, It is not possible to find the actual magic bullet.  It was a fabrication by Arlen Spector and the WC.