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A word on Dallas Police Methodology Circa '63

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Post by greg parker on Sun 08 Nov 2009, 2:21 pm

It was a time when the pendulum had swung far to the right. If the police decided you were guilty of something, they made a case and you were found guilty. It was just that simple. Candy's real crime was she wouldn't cooperate with the vice squad.
Lester May - defence lawyer for Candy Barr in her drug trial.

The case included illegal bugs and planted evidence.

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Post by 9K116 on Thu 08 Apr 2010, 4:13 am

I would like to add some details regarding <CSI Dallas> and TSBD. Well, when police does an investigation at and around crime scene, the lead question is `has anybody seen or heard anything suspicious?` Remember, police was dispatched to Texas Theatre exactly because someone acting suspiciously was seen there!

Now, what comes to TSBD and around it...
1. Man in the car, driving around parking lot behind grassy knoll and seen by Lee Bowers to bee talking in telephone or radio (there were no cell phones in 1963!), without doubts, can be considered as suspicious. Dallas police and FBI ignore it.
2. The neccessity of Jack Daugherty to `get some stuff` just in a moment, when President passes by, thus interrupting the daily routine of Jack, who usually took full time of lunch break, is suspicious as well. Moreover, he did not had alibi for the moment of shooting, even worse - his alibi was even weaker than LHO's... Moreover, he didn't see LHO on 6th flooe, who allegedly was supposed to be there, nor 3 black men on 5th floor, whose presence there is documented in photos! This was ignored as well.
3. Men in truck, unloading rifle look-a-like item from truck near Triple Underpass some hours before arrival of Motorcade, and seen by Mrs. Mercer, was suspisious as well. Nor police or FBI did not investigate further this clue.
4. Was Tippit really ordered to go to Oak Cliff area and if yes, why as he? Why Oak Cliff area was so special? I.e., actions of Tippit also are suspicious enough.
5. Seizure of epileptic and Umbrella man also should be considered as suspicious. As well as firecrackers on route of motorcade (I haven't found documented evidence on this issue, however I remember mentioned it on some amateur researcher home-made video on YOutube. My guess it was Bob Harris, but I'm not sure).

As far as I know - police and FBI ignored all of these suspicious events of November 22.

Could anyone add to this list anything else?

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Re: A word on Dallas Police Methodology Circa '63

Post by greg parker on Thu 08 Apr 2010, 8:46 pm

Hmmm, you make a valid point.

An example of this actually happening was Roger Craig who thought the Rambler and the man coming down the incline toward it seemed suspicious as they were attempting to leave the scene as everyone else is converging there. Unfortunately he could not get to them in time because of the traffic congestion.

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Post by 9K116 on Fri 09 Apr 2010, 4:52 pm

Another thing that bothers me is Walker shooting, identification of 6,5mm Carcano and involvement of Goerge DeM and Marina. Let me explain details.

1. In Soviet Union all firearms available for free purchase or being in military or law enforcement service, had been shot in test shooting and had their bullets and hulls collected in `ballistic catalog`. As result, any illegal shooting, done by any of such weapon, could be easily ballistically traced to particular weapon by hulls and/or bullets found on crime scene (even without neutron activation analysis, but using marks of firing pin and ejecting tooth on hull and marks of rifling on bullet).

I wander was the same system in force in USA during 60ies? If yes, why Oswald was not traced already in spring of 1963, when he allegedly tried to shoot Walker? If he hit some wooden detail in window, then bullet should be recovered (and it was, because it was traced to Oswald's Carcano by neutron activation analysis later in HSCA investigation), as well as hull, if we assume assassin eject it to be ready for repeated shot. I do not believe shooter looked for spent hull in grass immediately after shooting...

Besides - Oswald was supposed to be under surveilance of FBI on that moment. How can person, being watched by FBI, so easily buy rifle under fake name, make an assassination atempt and remain outside suspicion?

2. George DeM again... if he, as well as Marina and other people, having knowledge of Oswald's involvement in Walker shooting, did not inform police on this issue, it makes him `cooperator in crime` (I do not know exact terminology in English, however it is person, who do not commit crime by himself, but has a knowledge of it and do not inform police). So, if George DeM, Marina and other persons knew about Oswald's attempt to shoot Walker and did not inform police on that issue, why weren't they accused and trialed on cover-up of assassination attempt?

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Re: A word on Dallas Police Methodology Circa '63

Post by Frankie Vegas on Tue 27 Jul 2010, 7:59 pm

This thread reminded me of the sickening case of the late Henry Wade, Dallas DA at the time of Oswald's arrest and prosecutor at Jack Ruby's trial. The sheer amount of cases he has had overturned is stagering. Seems if they wanted you to be guilty then you were.
I was also thinking that Wade could not have faked all of the evidence by himself. Would he even be incharge of gathering evidence?
Leading me to believe there must of been quite a ring of dirty cops....


Nineteen convictions — three for murder and the rest involving rape or burglary — won by Wade and two successors who trained under him have been overturned after DNA evidence exonerated the defendants. About 250 more cases are under review.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25917791/


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Re: A word on Dallas Police Methodology Circa '63

Post by 9K116 on Tue 27 Jul 2010, 8:58 pm

I guess the real reason why Dallas Police sticked to Oswald as main suspect and presumely `guilty` was because it was their chance to present assassination as `case solved` rather than involvement in conspiracy and cover-up. Else, because of conspiracy and cover-up from higher levels (FBI, SS, CIA), the crime could stay `unsolved` - and no police entity likes such statistics in its account, especially, assassination of President...

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Re: A word on Dallas Police Methodology Circa '63

Post by greg parker on Thu 29 Jul 2010, 9:19 pm

A softcore movie, Dr. Death, a chocolate milkshake, a nosey blonde and "The Carol Burnett Show." Solving this mystery is going to be murder.

A film that successfully argued that a man was wrongly convicted for murder by a corrupt justice system in Dallas County, Texas.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096257/


The Thin Blue Line (1988) is a documentary film concerning the murder of a Texas police officer who had stopped a car for a routine traffic citation. The documentary presents testimony suggesting that the police altered, fabricated, and suppressed evidence to convict the man they wanted to be guilty, in spite of evidence to the contrary. The Thin Blue Line is American filmmaker Errol Morris' third film.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Thin_Blue_Line

Staring our good friend, Gus Rose...

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Post by greg parker on Tue 01 Oct 2013, 7:48 am

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Post by David C on Tue 01 Oct 2013, 10:30 am

I would like to include Sherry Fisters analysis on the Dallas Police investigation performance vs the standards at the time of the investigation.

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Re: A word on Dallas Police Methodology Circa '63

Post by ianlloyd on Tue 01 Oct 2013, 6:06 pm

Frankie Vegas wrote:This thread reminded me of the sickening case of the late Henry Wade, Dallas DA at the time of Oswald's arrest and prosecutor at Jack Ruby's trial. The sheer amount of cases he has had overturned is stagering. Seems if they wanted you to be guilty then you were.
I was also thinking that Wade could not have faked all of the evidence by himself. Would he even be incharge of gathering evidence?
Leading me to believe there must of been quite a ring of dirty cops....


Nineteen convictions — three for murder and the rest involving rape or burglary — won by Wade and two successors who trained under him have been overturned after DNA evidence exonerated the defendants. About 250 more cases are under review.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25917791/


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I think the DPD and the DA office etc. were, to coin a phrase "a law unto themselves" but, in this case, literally. It didn't matter to them that it was the murder of a president, it was still just another murder and they would convict someone of it, no matter what. Therefore, it didn't matter what they did with or to the evidence, it was always going to "fit". And, as you point out, we are seeing the consequences of all this now.

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Re: A word on Dallas Police Methodology Circa '63

Post by Vinny on Wed 02 Oct 2013, 1:26 am

Some corrupt Policeman might have arranged for Ruby to shoot Oswald. Many believe Patrick Dean let Ruby in.

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Post by beowulf on Wed 02 Oct 2013, 2:05 am

Could anyone add to this list anything else?


Certainly was a lot of fake Secret Service agents puttering around.
http://oswaldsmother.blogspot.com/2009/08/phony-secret-service-agents.html

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Post by beowulf on Wed 02 Oct 2013, 3:02 am

The US doesn't have a national "ballistic catalog" (what's known here as a ballistic fingerprinting database) even today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_fingerprinting#Databases

(I do not know exact terminology in English, however it is person, who do not commit crime by himself, but has a knowledge of it and do not inform police).

Misprision of felony.  An old law (from England back in the day) that's still in the federal penal code but the only state penal code with it is South Carolina's.  To be convicted you have to knowledge of crime and made some act of concealment (e.g. hide evidence, lie to cops)
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/misprision

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