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Post by greg parker on Sun 13 Oct 2013, 10:11 am

I recently mentioned how Mr Aiken at the TSBD wrote down Oswald's name as "Leslie Oswald" in that last week before the assassination... and then there is that strange phone call Truly said he made to Aiken to obtain LHO's address AND PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION. The former is explicable. The latter is not. The application Oswald completed did not ask for a physical description, and in any case, Truly knew damn well what Oswald looked like.

Could the name have been changed on the record to indicate to Truly who the patsy was going to be? Maybe Truly phoned Aiken - not for the reason stated - but to find out who the lucky person was he was going to set the hounds after...?

Just a while thought while having a lazy Sunday breakfast...

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Re: speaking of a marked card theory...

Post by greg parker on Sun 13 Oct 2013, 2:43 pm

greg parker wrote:I recently mentioned how Mr Aiken at the TSBD wrote down Oswald's name as "Leslie Oswald" in that last week before the assassination... and then there is that strange phone call Truly said he made to Aiken to obtain LHO's address AND PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION. The former is explicable. The latter is not. The application Oswald completed did not ask for a physical description, and in any case, Truly knew damn well what Oswald looked like.

Could the name have been changed on the record to indicate to Truly who the patsy was going to be? Maybe Truly phoned Aiken - not for the reason stated - but to find out who the lucky person was he was going to set the hounds after...?

Just a while thought while having a lazy Sunday breakfast...
I've been thinking about this all day... 

Bill Simpich may well be pointing us the "masterminds".

Oswald had been there (TSBD) 6 weeks. At no other time than just before the assassination was his name miswritten by Aiken. Then On the day of the assassination, Truly phones and asks for an address and description of the only person whose name was miswritten.

The perps had a few to choose from in that building that could be used as a patsy. The "chosen one" would be known because his name would be changed to "Leslie" on the payroll record for that week.

Truly phones Aiken to find out who has been designated "Leslie" and learns it was Oswald. The description known to these perps was from "Marked card" CIA records 30 years old, 5' 9" 165 pounds. These perps had access to the mark card files - but had no idea they contained false descriptions of Oswald. They even used a shooter matching that general description. 

I know there are some who think Truly was an innocent party. I can understand that, but the fact is, I have information about Truly that makes it very difficult for me to believe he was not a witting participant. 

And this would explain why Truly claimed in part to phone for a description. AND explains why there is no evidence he ever gave Fritz any description. He did (or someone did) - but it was the description from the "marked" files.

In short... I would be looking for individuals / agencies / internal CIA units /military intel units that had access to the "marked" CIA documents. These were used to select Oswald for the role. But they do not seem to have been aware that the physical descriptions in those documents were wrong.

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Post by Guest on Mon 14 Oct 2013, 10:53 am

Greg, I am greatly suspicious of Truly. Although you have me at a disadvantage because I do not know the details of the information you have about Truly, I will risk posting this reply fwiw.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/THE-JFK-CASE--THE-TWELVE-by-Bill-Simpich-101226-568.html
General News 12/27/2010 at 09:16:08THE JFK CASE: THE TWELVE WHO BUILT THE OSWALD LEGEND (Part 5: The Double Dangle)By Bill Simpich (about the author)  

Oswald's actual weight in the 1956-1963 period varied between 131-136 pounds. As late as 1963, when a young man of 23 would be expected to have "filled out", Oswald exaggerated his weight at 140-150, which aided his chances for employment. When Oswald exaggerated his height to 5' 11" in March, 1959 to the Swiss college, he also exaggerated his weight to 160 on that one occasion, probably to create more flexibility in his legend.

No one ever estimated Oswald's weight at greater than 150, except Fain and Egerter. When FBI agent John Quigley saw Oswald in jail in New Orleans in August, 1963, he estimated his weight at 140. Oswald reported his weight in Dallas at the time of his arrest as 140. Oswald's body was weighed at 131 pounds the day after his death. Although the Warren Report tilts Oswald's weight numbers to try to get closer to the 165 number, it remains consistent with this analysis.

Oswald described his eyes as grey, but government officials generally described Oswald's eye color as blue in all documents I have seen except his recently obtained passport. During Oswald's arrests in 1963 in New Orleans and Dallas, his eyes were described as blue-hazel and "blue-gray". It seems like someone decided it was time to knit together the different threads of evidence. ......
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2206&dat=19591220&id=A0I0AAAAIBAJ&sjid=yOoFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3509,1602974
Defector In Russia, Near To His Dream
‎Miami News - Dec 20, 1959
MOSCOW (NANA) - two years now I have been waiting to do this one thing: to ... Never, says Lee, a nice-looking six-footer with gray eyes and brown hair, did he ......
A legitimate foreign correspondent writing of an interview in Moscow with an American attempting to defect, resports on the appearance of the defector but does not mention her impresssion of a man she described as six feet in height who we are later informed c.ould not have weighed more than 136 lbs., yet was "nice-looking." If her description of Oswakd was accurate, gaunt and very thin seem more accurate descriptions of such a man, than nice-looking.

http://www.jfk-info.com/verb-4.htm
PRISCILLA JOHNSON:Witness for the Prosecution
........
Finally, to round out this intriguing scenario: In Johnson's article, "Oswald in Moscow" for Harper's, April, 1964 (in which she states flatly that "Oswald was, in fact, the assassin") there is this little tidbit which raises even more questions than the ones I have already alluded to.

   "Finally, Oswald impressed me because he was the first and, as it turned out, the only 'ideological' defector I met in Moscow. Of the two or three other American defectors I encountered [my emphasis], none claimed to be motivated by a belief in communism."

ENCOUNTERED? This must be news to her readers since, so far as I know, she profiled no one else except Oswald. If indeed she did "encounter" these "defectors," under what circumstances did she do so? And to whom did she report when she interviewed these "defectors" in her encounters?

A whole series of questions, I know, but since she is a "witness for the prosecution," the defense has a right to ask (and learn the answers to) these questions.

I rest my case!
- Hal Verb, March 1992

http://www.ctka.net/pjm.html

.... Priscilla Johnson interviewed Oswald in 1959 while he was in Moscow and she was working for a small newspaper syndicate, North American Newspaper Alliance (NANA). On the weekend of Kennedy's assassination, articles by her about Oswald appeared in several newspapers throughout America including The Boston Globe and The Dallas Morning News. Right after Oswald's death she did an interview with The Christian Science Monitor. In April of 1964 she wrote an article for Harper's entitled "Oswald in Moscow." In June of 1964 she signed a contract with Harper and Row to produce a book about Oswald and his wife Marina, a book that would not be published for over ten years. At about this time, she was questioned by lawyers for the Warren Commission, namely David Slawson and Richard Mosk. All of these activities are quite interesting in their frequency and scope and consistent message. Perhaps no other writer, outside of the Warren Commission staff, had more influence in molding the image of Oswald for the American public than Priscilla Johnson.

Up until 1967, no one really questioned who Johnson was or what she represented. Then something happened. The daughter of Joseph Stalin defected to the United States with the help of the State Department and the CIA. When Svetlana Stalin came to America she stayed in the home of Priscilla's stepfather and PJM helped her translate her account of life with her dictator father. For those who realized at the time how high level defections worked, and who had access to prizes like Svetlana, all kinds of bells and flags went off about Priscilla and it began to throw backward light on her association with Oswald. For instance NANA had always been a highly suspect agency. It was purchased by former OSS operative Ernest Cuneo in 1951 and became home to prominent rightwing and CIA associated reporters like Victor Lasky, Lucianna Goldberg, and Virginia Prewett. Prewett's husband was in the CIA and was handled by legendary CIA communications expert David Phillips. Finally, accruing even more suspicion to her role with Oswald, a former security officer for the State Department, Jack Lynch once wrote that Priscilla's encounter with Oswald in Moscow was "Official business."

In this last regard, according to Peter Whitmey, the man who approached Priscilla about Oswald being at the Metropole Hotel in Moscow was John McVickar, who worked at the US Embassy. According to John Newman's Oswald and the CIA, McVickar was working for the CIA also. (In 1990, PJM wrote Whitmey a letter asking him if he could remind her who McVickar was.) Much of what PJM told Mosk and Slawson was about her meeting with Oswald in Moscow so therefore it helped form their opinions of Oswald and helped shape the portrait of him in the Warren Report. In this regard it would have been important for Slawson and Mosk to know and report that Priscilla had altered her original 1959 report (published in a very small newspaper) after Kennedy's assassination in a pejorative way. And this new version was published nationally. For instance she added a line at the end which referred to Oswald like this: "However I soon came to feel that this boy was of the stuff of which fanatics are made." As Whitmey notes, in her first draft the image of Oswald is of a soft-spoken idealist who spoke in terms of "emigrating" as opposed to defecting. The word "fanatic" is much more in line with what the Commission is going to do with its image of Oswald as a disturbed young Marxist zealot. Whitmey also point outs two other revisions by PJM. According to McVickar's notes, she was aware that Oswald was headed out of the hotel to work in the electronics field. She ignores this at the end of her 1963 revised article and says that he disappeared and did not notify her about it, against her wishes. The final statement in the second draft was "I'd wondered what had happened to him since. Now I know." Since this second draft was published in the immediate wake of Kennedy's murder, the obvious suggestion is that the fanatical tendencies --- not in her original report --- had warped him into an assassin.

In her interview with The Christian Science Monitor, more details of this newly troubled Oswald emerge. PJM said that he was intensely bitter at the United States, that he displayed single-mindedness about "whatever he was attempting to do" and that he was bitter about capitalism and worker exploitation. In her Harper's article she added even more pop psychology in her profile: "Oswald yearned to go down in history as the man who shot the President." To explain why, if that was his intent, he then denied the act she wrote that he had a need to think "of himself as extraordinary" and "to be caught, but not to confess."

If this sounds very similar to what the Warren Commission's explanation of Oswald was, it should. For right after the article appeared she did two things. She first signed a rather large contract with Harper and Row to do a biography of Oswald with help from his widow Marina. Second, she arrived in Dallas to meet Marina and spent much of the summer and fall with her and her Secret Service escorts. This in itself is extraordinary because Marina Oswald was one of the chief witnesses before the Commission and as Harold Weisberg and Peter Scott have reported, she was basically cordoned off from the world and threatened with deportation if she did not cooperate with their wishes. Yet, Priscilla was permitted to live with Marina during the summer and fall of 1964 when the Commission was still working and even accompanied her on a trip to Santa Fe, New Mexico.

One of the most fascinating interviews the Commission had with Marina occurred on September 6, 1964 at the U. S. Naval Station in Dallas. Two things occurred here that relate to Priscilla. First, Marina revealed that she was working on her memoirs which would be published perhaps in December. This alludes to her book deal with PJM and Harper and Row. The second point is of such extreme importance to the Commission and to Priscilla's role with it that it requires some background information.

In September, the Commission was in high gear on its road to wrapping things up. In fact, at this stage, as related by Edward Epstein, the lawyers had been told that they should be closing doors not opening them. Yet Senator Richard Russell was a sticking point. He was a skeptic on both the single bullet theory and on Oswald's mysterious trip to Mexico in September and October of 1963. He was actually threatening not to sign off on the Warren Report. Russell noted that in regard to the latter point, the Commission had little or no physical evidence that Oswald had been to Mexico City. So, miraculously, at this late stage, at one of the few hearings that Russell actually attended, an amazing discovery occurred. Marina reported that a bus ticket stub had been found inside a Spanish magazine and she further stated that she had "found the stub of this ticket approximately two weeks ago when working with Priscilla Johnson on the book." What the FBI, CIA, Dallas Police, Ruth and Michael Paine, and the Secret Service could not produce in ten months, Priscilla Johnson could find in a matter of several weeks, and seemingly by accident......

http://web.archive.org/web/20130522014455/http://www.jfk-info.com/pjm-2.htm
Part Two
by Peter R. Whitmey
................
15. In Marina and Lee, there is a photo of Priscilla and Marina taken by David C. Davenport, who is referred to as Priscilla's "cousin" in the acknowledgement section. According to the caption next to the photos, they were taken in Santa Fe, where they were provided "a haven during the unquiet weeks of September and October, 1964, just after the Warren Report was issued."
When I first tried to contact Priscilla McMillan in the fall of 1987 in Cambridge by phone after initially writing to her, I was informed that she was temporarily living in Santa Fe at a hotel, doing research on a new book....
http://web.archive.org/web/20130618064258/http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20110&page=10#entry272275

http://newspaperarchive.com/santa-fe-new-mexican/2001-10-02/page-10
Oct 2, 2001 Funeral services and memorials DAVID COIT DAVENPORT


Without Reservations: From Harlem to the End of the Santa Fe Trail - Page 265
http://web.archive.org/web/20130618064258/http://books.google.com/books?id=Yix6AAAAMAAJ&q=David+Davenport+was+a+former+CIA+man&dq=David+Davenport+was+a+former+CIA+man&hl=en&sa=X&ei=pHRyUeT7O4PI9gTU74GICg&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAA
Samuel B. Ballen - 2001
Ethel and I were invited to dinner at the home of Dave Davenport who also had Priscilla McMillan, his cousin, as a guest.
I had not seen Priscilla since she had interviewed me in Dallas on the Oswald matter and since she had married and divorced George McMillan, who had produced the NBC Anniversary TV show on the Kennedy assassination. Like many others, I had the highest possible opinion of Priscilla's intelligence and reliability. David Davenport was a former CIA man who had become disenchanted and was now semi-retired to his youthful locus of Santa Fe. He had remarried the charming Scottish ophthalmologist, Ann Thompson. When Priscilla asked what was of interest, I implied that I had some explosive documents on the Oppenheimer affair and was searching for an honest journalist to complete the investigation and let the chips fall where they may. "Well, Sam, I've always been intrigued by Oppenheimer and the Manhattan Project even if I know absolutely nothing about them....

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=733406
The FBI changed the state of issue of the license plate of the Corvair described in the document image above from Arizona to Alaska:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20170#entry273064

........ http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=732641


(Priscilla's CIA cousin David Davenport had recently moves to Alaska, making his intense interest in Marina all the more curious.Smile
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=19103&p=271982
...Dave Davenport probably introduced Fredrika to Jerome Hastings. Fredrika's sister Helen was the wife of Eisenhower's OSS leader, Votichenko and her middle name was Davenport. BTW, Dave Davenport worked out the logistics and played host on the Santa Fe leg of this sequester of Marina despite the impediment of having moved to Anchorage, AK in March, 1964 after resigning from his V.P. position at the First National Bank of Santa Fe. A PAW article on his Princeton class of '43 reported that he had survived the Anchorage earthquake after taking a position as V.P. of the new Alaska State Development Corp., and his '43 classmate, Dr. Jesse Rodman "Rod" Wilson, Jr. was Davenport's Anchorage landlord.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20170&p=273011


As some may be aware, the article above was published in Santa Fe, NM in 1966, and soon after, Jerome Allen Hasty published a legal notice in a Sante Fe newspaper announcing his petition to legally change his name to Jerome Allen Hastings. David Davenport mentioned in the above article was Priscilla Johnson's first cousing and was described in a 2001 bookl published by Sam Ballen as a "former CIA man who became disillusioned."

In 1967, now under the name Jerome Allen Hastings, Jerome married Fredrika Tuttle Blair, daughter of former CPA member and Hollywood directior Frank Tuttle, described in the early 1950's as a man who turned in many of his Hollywood colleagues, to the HUCA, naming them as former or current CPA members.....
My point is that Priscilla McMillan is hanging out far enough now to be a central focus of the official decpetion Bill Simpich describes, and is a much more prominent domino to push over than are other persons of interest. She is alive, she has reiissued her 1977 book, and she appears able to put her foot in her mouth if she were to be pressed about the details posted above.:

Rossi to get three-year contract as city manager | Cambridge Day
http://www.cambridgeday.com/2012/12/03/rossie-given-three-year-contract-as-city-manager/
Dec 3, 2012 - A promotion to city manager for Deputy City Manager Richard C. Rossi .... Priscilla McMillan of Hilliard Street called it “a stealth move” and her ...

(Two months shy of age 85, and writing a protest letter Priscilla still manages to make her mesage about Oswald's guilt in the assassination of JFK.
) LETTER: Ashamed of city manager's refusal to bury Tsarnaev ...
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:-z-dn1kJ6YsJ:www.wickedlocal.com/cambridge/news/x1398951211/LETTER-Ashamed-of-city-manager-s-refusal-to-bury-Tsarnaev+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
May 8, 2013 - Priscilla Johnson McMillan, Hilliard Street, author of "Marina and Lee". I am ashamed of Cambridge and of City Manager Robert Healy's ...
Bill Simpich has more reason than most to go after Priscilla agressively and ask her if her cousin David's father-in-law OSS Lt. Col. George E. Brewer, Jr. had any influence on her positioning to have "encounters with defectors." and why she did not provide Brewer's or her cousin David's names as references when she applied for a position with the CIA.

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Re: speaking of a marked card theory...

Post by greg parker on Mon 14 Oct 2013, 4:55 pm

Oswald's actual weight in the 1956-1963 period varied between 131-136 pounds. As late as 1963, when a young man of 23 would be expected to have "filled out"
There is a reason for Oswald's low weight - though I understand that's beside the point being made...

Oswald described his eyes as grey, but government officials generally described Oswald's eye color as blue in all documents I have seen except his recently obtained passport. During Oswald's arrests in 1963 in New Orleans and Dallas, his eyes were described as blue-hazel and "blue-gray". It seems like someone decided it was time to knit together the different threads of evidence. ......
Bill may be stretching things a bit here... eye color is often in the eye of the beholder, and additionally, eye color can change when certain variables are introduced. See:  http://www.allaboutvision.com/conditions/eye-color.htm

A legitimate foreign correspondent writing of an interview in Moscow with an American attempting to defect, resports on the appearance of the defector but does not mention her impresssion of a man she described as six feet in height who we are later informed c.ould not have weighed more than 136 lbs., yet was "nice-looking." If her description of Oswakd was accurate, gaunt and very thin seem more accurate descriptions of such a man, than nice-looking.
Are you accusing Miss Prissy of being a legitimate correspondent?  And what's with that suspicious looking dot in the would "could"?


Are you trying to make me paranoid?That's a bit suspect 


My point is that Priscilla McMillan is hanging out far enough now to be a central focus of the official decpetion Bill Simpich describes, and is a much more prominent domino to push over than are other persons of interest. She is alive, she has reiissued her 1977 book, and she appears able to put her foot in her mouth
She is certainly worthy of our interest, and would be on my list of witnesses to get on the stand.

But back to the point...

I am greatly suspicious of Truly.
Then you have good instinct.

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Re: speaking of a marked card theory...

Post by greg parker on Tue 15 Oct 2013, 7:54 am

From Truly's testimony
Mr. Truly: When i first noticed this boy was missing, I told Chief Lumpkin that, "We have a man here that's missing." I said. "It may not mean anything but he isn't here." I first called down to the other warehouse and had Mr. Akin pull the application of the boy so I could get - quickly get his address in Irving and his general description, so I could be more accurate than I would be....
But does Truly give Fritz any description?
Mr. Ball: And what was the purpose of going there? [Sixth Floor]
Mr Truly: My purpose in going there was to inform Captain Fritz that this boy was mising and give hm his telephone number, and his Irving address, at the suggestion of Chief Lumpkin, who accompanied me. 
Mr. Ball: Did you give Capt. Fritz this name and address? 
Mr. Truly: Yes, I did. 
Mr. Truly: I told - well, when Chief Lumplin and i went to the sixth floor, Captain Fritz was standing in the are where I later learned they had found the gun, and Chief Lumpkin told Capt. Fritz that Mr. Truly had something to tell him, which I would like to tell him, so he stepped over 4 or 5 feet to where I was, away from the other men - officers and reporters. I would say, that were on the floor, and I repeated the words to Captain Fritz. 
Mr. Ball: What did you tell him? 
Mr. Truly: I told him that we had a man missing - I told him what his name was and his Irving address, and he said, "all right, thank you, Mr. Truly. We will get right on it" or words to that effect.... 
No. Nothing. Not from the application, which contained no such physical description, nor from personal observation.

The description that went out however, pretty well matched the erroneous description of Oswald contained in some CIA records of Oswald. 

From Bill Kelly at the Ed Forum:
Now Chief Lumpkin - the man in the middle of all this - was the driver or in the front seat of the Pilot Car, that was about a half mile a head of the motorcade, on security detail - and though it is not usually listed among the vehicles in the motorcade - it included Jack Puterbaugh - who was a key player in the determination of the luncheon site and motorcade route - AND US Army Reserve General who is not on the list of the officially approved passengers for the motorcade. 
 
And whether intentional or not, Lumpkin had the Pilot car pull over to the curb at the corner of Houston and Elm - the only place it is known to have stopped along the entire route - and Lumpkin told one of the three traffic cops standing there that the motorcade was a few minutes away - also informing the sixth floor sniper, just above them in the open window. 
 
Lumpkin was an officer in the 488th Military Intelligence Reserve unit led by Jack Crichton, who also comes into play in this narrative for arranging for a Russian translator for Marina and possibly manning the Emergency Command Center, while the general who Lumpkin invited to come along for the ride was responsible for all US Army Reserve units in that part of Texas.
So my question is, could Lumpkin have had access to the "marked card" CIA files and been the source of the description given out by DPP?

This was a post I made at McAdams newsgroup in 2004:
From FBI memo Nov 24, 1963
"He then observed the car bearing President KENNEDY to slow down, a near stop, and a motorcycle policeman rushed up. Immediately following this, he observed the car rush away from the scene. He then immediately rushed into his building without having seen anything unusual from any window of his building. Inside he was told shortly thereafter by the warehouse superintendent, Mr. TRULY,
that all the employees of the company had been rounded up and one employee, LEE HARVEY OSWALD, was missing."

From DPD affidavit of Ochus Campbell Dec 17, 1963
"A uniform officer came up and at the same time a construction worker with a helmet came across the street and said he had seen a rifle in the 6th floor window. I walked back in the building. Mr Truly and the officer had already gone in and up the stairs. I waited until they came back down to see if theyb found anything. The employees were standing around. When Mr truly came down he said one of the employees was missing, a man named Oswald. I did not know Oswald. I told Mr Truly to tell the officers about him and what he looked like. I went back to my office and an FBI agent came in and introduced himself. I don't remember his name. He asked that I have all the employees vacate the building. This I did, telling them to take the rest of the day off. I remained in my office until about 2:30 or 3:00pm. Then I left. The officers were still searching the building when I left."

From Mark Lane's WC testimony  Mar 4, 1964:
"In the Dallas Morning News on November 23, 1963, it was stated that 'Campbell says he ran toward a grassy knoll to the west of the building where he thought the sniper had hidden.'"

From Roy Truly's first session before the WC:
Mr. BELIN. About how long after these shots do you think it took you to go all the way up and look around the roof and come all the way down again?
Mr. TRULY. Oh, we might have been gone between 5 and 10 minutes. It is hard to say.
Mr. BELIN. What did you do when you got back to the first floor, or what did you see?
Mr. TRULY. When I got back to the first floor, at first I didn't see anything except officers running around, reporters in the place. There was a regular madhouse.
Mr. BELIN. Had they sealed off the building yet, do you know?
Mr. TRULY. I am sure they had.
Mr. BELIN. Then what?
Mr. TRULY. Then in a few minutes--it could have been moments or minutes at a time like that--I noticed some of my boys were over in the west corner of the shipping department, and there were several officers over there taking their names and addresses, and so forth. There were other officers in other parts of the building taking other employees, like office people's names. I noticed that Lee Oswald was not among these boys. So I picked up the telephone and called Mr. Aiken down at the other warehouse who keeps our application blanks. Back up there. First I mentioned to Mr. Campbell--I asked Bill Shelley if he had seen him, he looked around and said no.
Mr. BELIN. When you asked Bill Shelley if he had seen whom?
Mr. TRULY. Lee Oswald. I said, "Have you seen him around lately," and he said no. So Mr. Campbell is standing there, and I said, "I have a boy over here missing. I don't know whether to report it or not." Because I had another one or two out then. I didn't know whether they were all there or not. He said, "What do you think"? And I got to thinking. He said, "Well, we better do it anyway." It was so quick after that. So I picked the phone up then and called Mr. Aiken, at the warehouse, and got the boy's name and general description and telephone number and address at Irving.

From Roy Truly affidavit Nov 23, 1963
"By that time [after returning from the 7th floor search] there were several people in the building. Some 15 minutes later I was checking our employees, and I did not find Lee. I asked Mr Shelly if he had seen Lee. He said no. I then contacted Cheif Lumpkin and told him Lee was missing. Then both of us went up on the sixth floor where Captain Fritz was and I told Captain Fritz about Lee being missing and where he lived."

No mention of a phone call to Aiken, or discussing the missing employee with Campbell is noted in the affidavit.

Ochus Campbell as quoted in the New York Heald Tribune Nov 23, 1963 from statements
made to the press the previous day:
"Shortly after the shooting we raced back into the building. We had been outside watching the parade. We saw him (Oswald) in a small storage room on the ground floor. Then we noticed he was gone." Mr Campbell added: "Of course he and the others were on their lunch hour but he did not have permission to leave the building and we haven't seen him since."

That last comment seems to indicate the statement was made before Oswald was arrested - ie still "at large". Of course, the statement about being the lunch hour (actually 3/4 of an hour) was correct. Campbell, it seems, hadn't quite thought this through and was making some of it up as he went along. That, at least, is one explanation for the fundamentally and obviously false statement that Oswald had no permission to leave the building - even though IT WAS HIS LUNCH HOUR.

Oswald stated in custody that he was confronted by the Superintendent and an officer, and that they told the [other] officerS that he worked there. Despite Campbell's statement that they saw Oswald in the storage room upon entering, it could not have been at that time since no other officers were in there taking names straight away. It had to be when Truly/Baker returned from the 7th floor. This, I believe was what has sometimes been referred to (euphemistically) as the 1st "roll-call". In another of those same day
statements, I believe Truly is supposed to have said Oswald was indeed present at the first roll-call, but missing at the second. This so-called 2nd roll-call I think is what Truly referred to in his affidavit of Nov 23, 1963 when he said it was "15 minutes" after his return from upstairs that he noticed Oswald missing. In all other statements, he said it was moments, if not minutes.

This 15 minutes extra to the time it took to "notice" Oswald missing was probably meant to get rid of the troubling "it was his lunch hour, so it's not unreasonable he is out of the building" problem. That 15 minutes put it back into company time and allowed him to be missing "without permission". 
This not only brings into question the timing of events, but given no mention was made of any discussion with Campbell or phone call to Aiken in his initial statement, those things must also be called into question. It is not as if his affidavit was made in the heat of the moment, where some things might get glossed over. It was made the next day when sober reflection on the events would allow recollection and inclusion of such details.

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