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Post by greg parker on Tue 07 Feb 2017, 2:04 pm

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/oak-cliff/2013/03/01/firing-and-arrests-of-dallas-police-officers-could-be-opening-salvo-in-another-departmental-scandal wrote:Officers Jon Llewellyn, 30, and Randolph Dillon, 44, have been charged with tampering with or fabricating physical evidence, and aggravated perjury. Both are third-degree felonies punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a $10,000 fine.

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Post by greg parker on Tue 07 Feb 2017, 2:06 pm

http://www.november.org/razorwire/rzold/27/page03.html wrote:The Dallas Police Department arrested 39 Hispanic people for possession and distribution of a white, chalky substance that field-tested positive for cocaine. Two undercover cops and a paid informant reported that drugs had been sold or shown to them, which led to the arrests. But in lab tests that police hoped would not be conducted, it was determined the "drugs" were powdered wallboard gypsum. Prior to this, however, with plasterboard in the evidence room, the prosecution went forward in 59 cases against dark-skinned "cocaine" dealers whose defense testimony was no match for the calculated lies of the police and their informant.

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Post by greg parker on Tue 07 Feb 2017, 2:08 pm

http://addictinginfo.org/2015/04/05/from-st-louis-to-la-ten-cases-of-cops-caught-planting-evidence-videos/ wrote:In January, Brooklyn district attorney Kenneth Thompson announced an investigation into a group of New York police officers who are accused of planting guns on at least six different suspects. While the results of that investigation have yet to be released, evidence against the accused officers, all from the 67th precinct, appears damning, to say the least.

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Post by greg parker on Tue 07 Feb 2017, 2:12 pm

http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/dirty-cops-dirty-games-6394254 wrote:Like Roper, Danny Maples is a former Dallas cop, now doing time for stealing $27,000 from seven people. Unlike Roper, Maples admitted he was guilty and turned state's evidence. As a result, Maples' immediate future will be far easier. This spring, a jury gave Maples just two years' punishment, making him eligible for parole as early as next month. And since Maples is cooperating with federal authorities looking into DPD corruption, he will do his time in the Dallas County jail, the Ritz-Carlton of local pokeys.

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Post by greg parker on Tue 07 Feb 2017, 2:19 pm

https://www.drugpolicy.org/docUploads/police_corruption_report.pdf wrote:In one case an unarmed man was shot by police and paralyzed. Officers planted a rifle on him and then charged him with shooting first. He served 13 months of a 23- year sentence before being released. In another case, a suspect bled to death as officers worked with supervisors to concoct a plausible reason for shooting him, before calling an ambulance. 

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Post by greg parker on Tue 07 Feb 2017, 2:20 pm

http://www.newsbbc.net/2016/06/police-planting-evidence-is-reality.html wrote:Most people probably think that planting evidence isn’t something that really happens. It’s the stuff of movies and fast paced tv dramas. Not according to former NYPD narcotics detective Stephen Anderson. Anderson was busted planting evidence in a case in 2008. He has since turned state’s evidence and testified that the practice of setting up suspects and planting drugs, known as “flaking” was a common practice he saw used, and used himself throughout his time at the NYPD.

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Post by greg parker on Tue 07 Feb 2017, 2:21 pm

https://jonathanturley.org/2014/04/24/two-former-la-sheriff-deputies-charged-with-planting-guns-at-marijuana-dispensary/ wrote:Two former Los Angeles County sheriff’s deputies have been charged with planting guns at a medical marijuana dispensary when they were on the force in 2011. Julio Cesar Martinez, 39, and Anthony Manuel Paez, 32, were charged with one felony count each of conspiracy to obstruct justice and altering evidence as a peace officer. The charges could result in seven year stints. The two officers allegedly turned off the electricity and a security camera system inside the dispensary as they planted gunslater cited as the basis for the arrests.

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Post by greg parker on Tue 07 Feb 2017, 2:25 pm

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2016/12/06/two-des-moines-officers-investigated-evidence-tampering-narcotics-joshua-judge-tyson-teut/95032928/ wrote:The Des Moines Police Department is four days into a voluminous effort to review hundreds of cases handled by two officers who resigned after officials said they planted evidence in a narcotics case last year....

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Sickening...
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Post by Terry W. Martin on Wed 08 Feb 2017, 2:10 am

The pressure to make arrests and get convictions has led to extremes...

And, of course, innocent until proven guilty does not seem to have a place in this equation.
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Post by Goban Saor on Wed 08 Feb 2017, 7:08 am

And then we have pontificators on other forums preaching the dogma that nothing like that happened in the JFK case and the official record is sacrosanct.

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Goban Saor wrote:And then we have pontificators on other forums preaching the dogma that nothing like that happened in the JFK case and the official record is sacrosanct.
I've just had Nutters on FB demand I produce proof that it happened with Oswald. Never mind that we know that the DPD record under Wade resulted in more exonerations than anywhere else in the country - and never mind that in this thread, I showed that it is still happening and that in at least one instance, ever every single case involving  2 cops caught out were put under review to try and ascertain how deep and widespread their railroading of innocent people actually was.

No matter how bad it is now, it was worse back then because there was little oversight and lots of love and respect for law enforcement which translated into them being able to get away with just about anything without questions being asked. And it wasn't just Dallas. It was worldwide.

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Post by Goban Saor on Wed 08 Feb 2017, 8:51 am

greg parker wrote:
Goban Saor wrote:And then we have pontificators on other forums preaching the dogma that nothing like that happened in the JFK case and the official record is sacrosanct.
I've just had Nutters on FB demand I produce proof that it happened with Oswald. Never mind that we know that the DPD record under Wade resulted in more exonerations than anywhere else in the country - and never mind that in this thread, I showed that it is still happening and that in at least one instance, ever every single case involving  2 cops caught out were put under review to try and ascertain how deep and widespread their railroading of innocent people actually was.

No matter how bad it is now, it was worse back then because there was little oversight and lots of love and respect for law enforcement which translated into them being able to get away with just about anything without questions being asked. And it wasn't just Dallas. It was worldwide.
You might was well be digging in water, Greg, as trying to reason with the likes of those gobdaws.

It’s like Doyle & Co who maintain Prayer Man couldn’t be Oswald because someone would have squawked. FFS, omerta isn’t an exclusively Sicilian phenomenon.

They had a saying in Northern Ireland during the so-called Troubles: “Them that says don’t know and them that knows don’t say.

Lying is universal and we all lie from time to time for the sake of convenience, though most of the time for most of us it’s fairly harmless. Ian Leslie’s book Born Liars, Why We Can’t Live Without Deceit is very good on that subject.

In the Catholic diocese of Kerry 40 or 50 years ago perjury was made a “reserved sin” (which means it couldn’t be absolved by a mere priest – it could only be absolved by a bishop or a more senior member of the hierarchy) because so many of those Kerry fuckers were lying their arses off in the witness stand.

It’s called human nature and some eejits would want to wake up to reality.

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Post by Mick Purdy on Sat 11 Feb 2017, 12:25 pm

I've just had Nutters on FB demand I produce proof that it happened with Oswald. Never mind that we know that the DPD record under Wade resulted in more exonerations than anywhere else in the country - and never mind that in this thread, I showed that it is still happening and that in at least one instance, ever every single case involving  2 cops caught out were put under review to try and ascertain how deep and widespread their railroading of innocent people actually was.

No matter how bad it is now, it was worse back then because there was little oversight and lots of love and respect for law enforcement which translated into them being able to get away with just about anything without questions being asked. And it wasn't just Dallas. It was worldwide.



Greg this thread makes me feel like vomiting, It makes me sick. And to think there are those who choose to ignore the overwhelming evidence that the law enforcement institutions are broken. Have been ever since they were implemented.


The fact that there are those in the JFK research community who either ignore or worse still defend the status quo is unforgivable. They peddle their deceit knowing that Oswald suffered at the hands of his captors. 


Wade and his cronies have been outed publically. Wades very own ratted on him in the end.
If Ln'ers would even bother to look at Wades statistics for convictions and the stats of how many have been overturned since - they could not possibly still believe that some how Oswald was the exception.


As you and I both know, he was not an exception to the behaviour it was business as usual.


The planted evidence in this case allowed for the railroading of an innocent man imo.


All the cops and the DA had to do was follow the trail laid before them, with a healthy dose of manipulation they had their man.


It makes me sick, when people insist this could not have happened in Oswald's case.....WHY NOT?
It was the norm, it was business as usual. Those guys thought nothing of it.




Sick to death of hearing from people who will not accept this.....


Great thread BTW
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Post by Mick Purdy on Sat 11 Feb 2017, 12:43 pm

If you are in any doubt about Wades propensity to convict at all costs please go to the link below and have a read.

This was 1954, his reign of terror knew no bounds.


http://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/2016/may/henry-wade-executed-innocent-man/
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Post by greg parker on Sat 11 Feb 2017, 1:24 pm

In Oz

Today, we take it for granted that police interviews with suspects will be electronically recorded and independently transcribed. That hasn’t always been the case. Police were once allowed to testify – with no evidence other than their own notes – that a suspect had made a “verbal confession”, with courts liable to accept the officer’s word against that of the defendant.
During the 1990s, reforms aiming to prevent this kind of “verballing” (and false accusations of verballing), were brought on by widely publicised investigations such as the Wood Royal Commission.


What is not so well-known is that at around the same time, other reforms were inadvertently giving police a new way to “put words in suspects’ mouths” – this time without even needing a conscious intention to do so.


The context was the increasing use of legally obtained covert recordings from listening devices or telephone intercepts. These can provide valuable evidence not available by other means. However, uncontrollable conditions mean their audio quality is often very poor, to the extent no-one can make out what is said – except police working on the case.
For this reason, the law now allows police to present transcripts of indistinct audio they have listened to many times - in the role of a so-called “ad hoc expert”.
But police have no real expertise in transcription, so their transcripts are often inaccurate, incomplete or otherwise unreliable.
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verballing (uncountable)


The putting of damaging remarks into the mouths of suspects during police interrogation
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/verballing

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Post by greg parker on Sat 11 Feb 2017, 3:58 pm

The Oswald case?

Was evidence planted? Yes (example: bus ticket)
Was evidence fabricated? Yes (example: backyard photos)
Were informants used? Yes (example: Postal Inspectors)
Were witnesses coerced? Yes (example: Kenneth O'Donnell)
Were witnesses smeared or bullied? Yes (example: Arnold Rowland)
Was exculpatory evidence ignored or lied about? Yes (example: no gunpowder residue on cheeks)
Were important witnesses ignored? Yes (example: patrons at the Texas Theater)
Was evidence lied about? Yes (example: the Minox camera)
Was any chain of possession broken? Yes (example: 6th floor shells)
Was Oswald denied legal representation? Yes (the only lawyer allowed to see him was a jumped up ambulance chaser and Nixonite)
Was Oswald arraigned illegally? Yes (Texas law required that arraignments be held in an open court)
Was Oswald denied an alibi? Yes (proof exists that his alibi was altered using the "verballing" technique)
Was the "verballing" technique used to put any admissions in Oswald's mouth? Yes (example: bus - taxi ride)
Were attempts made to try Oswald via the media? Yes (example: it was repeatedly and falsely stated that he admitted he was a Communist)
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That these techniques were used is now past the point of debate. The technique relies on isolating the prisoner as much as possible from legal help, family and other support, long interrogation sessions, bluff, piecing together scenarios and trying to get admissions for one of them, and generally making the case in any fashion possible, legally or otherwise. No doubt these methods have succeeded in putting away a lot of guilty people. The issue is that the methods don't discriminate. If your body language is "wrong", or your background is suspect, or someone has laid out any easy trail of evidence and there is pressure for a quick result, you are doomed, and innocent or guilty, it hardly matters. 
 
This is the context into which the case has to be presented, IMHO, and presented to lawyers or journalists willing to listen and who are already familiar with the terrible trail of destruction caused by the Reid Techniques.

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Post by Mick Purdy on Sat 11 Feb 2017, 6:34 pm

Spot on.

And it was that simple. 

For all the sheep who have not climbed aboard on our train its too late. Don't bother, and don't try and climb aboard at another station. You'll be refused entry.

You poor deluded souls, you are stuck now for eternity on your platform with no trains to board.

Its over and you know it
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Post by greg parker on Sat 11 Feb 2017, 11:17 pm

Mick,

we have to reinvent/reinterpret/reposition the case out of Conspiracyland, Where Anything is Possible (two Marguerites anyone?) and have it placed in its proper context:  

the assassination - an open murder case committed by persons with the means, motive and opportunity.

The accused - an innocent man framed by those same people.

The Police - a force corrupted by lack of oversight which was pressured into making a quick arrest to allay fears, and had their prayers answered with the perfect fall-guy being thrown under their bus. 

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I don't give a shit what anyone says. Anyone can come up with at least one individual or group who had one or two of those three necessities. They all fall down on opportunity because every single one requires leaps of faith, dodgy witnesses or baseless speculation to extract even a tenuous case for opportunity. Why? because opportunity includes a connection to both patsy and a certain other essential party.

There is only one person who fills the bill. And this person had not only opportunity, he had motive by the truckload and the means via a vast and diverse network he could tap into. 
 
But that's for later. Slotting Oswald into an "Innocence Project" type cast is where we should start. That encompasses PM but that should not be the entire case. It opens the door because a picture is worth a thousand words. But those thousand words need to follow, because the back story to PM is just as important. You, Bart, Ed, Lee, Sean, Hasan among others here have been pivotal in fleshing that out.  Stan and Terry also did everyone a great service in producing the PM book. 

But it's all for no more than ourselves unless it moves forward from here.

We need journalists and lawyers familiar with the innocence project cases and who are passionate about them. And we need to convince them that Oswald belongs in that category, not in some insane category that includes Elvis sightings, delusions about doppelgangers, Bigfoot and alien lizards.

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Post by Mick Purdy on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 10:41 am

Well said Greg,

That is our mission. 

If we can find that momentum anything is possible. IMO
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