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Oswald's behavior during interrogation

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Oswald's behavior during interrogation

Post by greg parker on Wed 15 Feb 2017, 9:45 pm

The official Reid Technique is not how it works in real life. What sort of manual anyway, describes how to do something as well as how not to? The "how not" to is the true manual in many ways...

This link from Ed is more like how it works in reality.
http://dyingwords.net/police-interrogations-9-step-reid-technique/#sthash.0vqTQsxc.dpbs

The first  2 of the 9 phases of interrogation should be enough to illustrate:

1.Confrontation
The interrogator presents the facts of the case and informs the suspect of the evidence against them implying in a confident manner that the suspect is involved in the crime. The suspect’s stress level increases and the interrogator may move around the room, invading the suspect’s personal space to increase the discomfort. If the suspect starts fidgeting, licking lips, and/or grooming themself (running his hand through their hair, for instance), the interrogator notes these as deception indicators confirming their [sic] on the right track.
2. Theme Development
The interrogator creates a story about why the suspect committed the crime. Theme development is about looking through the eyes of the suspect to figure out why they did it. The interrogator lays out a theme or a story that the suspect can latch on to in order to either excuse or justify their part in the crime and the interrogator observes the suspect to see if they’re buying the theme. Are they paying closer attention than before? Nodding their head? If so, the interrogator will continue developing that theme; if not, they’ll pick a new theme and start over. Theme development is in the background throughout the interrogation. When developing themes, the interrogator speaks in a soft, soothing voice to appear non-threatening and to lull the suspect into a false sense of security.

So the real idea is to make the suspect as uncomfortable as possible to get them squirming for a way out of the interrogation - which in turn fuels the suspicion of guilt and justifies the treatment - then start making up stories about the lead up, the act and the aftermath to the crime - all in a soothing soft voice to lull them into a false sense of security that if they agree to one of the bullshit scenarios, the pain and discomfort will end.

In the Textbook Reid Technique (which I doubt anyone ever used), Oswald should not have been regarded as a suspect. He showed no sign of lying or deception according to the Reid manual. Instead of maybe deciding he might be innocent, they started claiming he acted like he had been trained to resist the techniques.

I don't know one way or the other if Oswald had such training. It's plausible that the military did provide it in the aftermath of the Korean POW fiasco. The WC was so concerned that he had such training that they asked Mike Paine about two peace activists who trained others how to act if arrested at any marches.

But it's a false dichotomy - either innocent or trained. He was innocent, but even innocent people show signs of stress in those circumstances. Some even confess. His calm and focussed demeanor in my opinion, was just another facet of his Asperger's.

This is from a patient of a world renowned expert in the disorder and was published in Psychology Today:

"My response to pain and temperature seems to be similar to my response to trivial or traumatic events. At low levels of stimulation the response is exaggerated, but at higher levels the senses seem to shut down and I can function better than normal in most instances. A trivial event can quite dramatically hamper my ability to function, but when faced with trauma, I can think logically and act calmly and efficiently when others would panic under the same situation."


From Marina's testimony:

Mr. RANKIN. Did he seem to have two different personalities then?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.
Mr. RANKIN. Would you describe to the Commission what he did to cause you to think that he was changing?
Mrs. OSWALD. Generally he was---usually he was quiet as he always was. He used to help me. And he was a good family man. Sometimes, apparently with out reason, at least I did not know reasons, if any existed, he became quite a stranger. At such times it was impossible to ask him anything. He simply kept to himself. He was irritated by trifles.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you recall any of the trifles that irritated him, so as to help us to know the picture?
Mrs. OSWALD. It is hard to remember any such trifling occurrences, sometimes such a small thing as, for example, dinner being five minutes late, and I do mean five minutes--it is not that I am exaggerating---he would be very angry. Or if there were no butter on the table, because he hadn't brought it from the icebox, he would with great indignation ask, "Why is there no butter?" And at the same time if I had put the butter on the table he wouldn't have touched it.
This is foolishness, of course. A normal person doesn't get irritated by things like that.

Oswald was not "normal". He was wired differently.

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PS. I left a comment on the dyingwords blog two years ago because I used it in my Reid Technique essay. I only just noticed he replied. My sarcasm I guess was a bit too hard to pick up....

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Post by Vinny on Wed 15 Feb 2017, 11:53 pm

Fritz had a reputation for being one of the finest interrogators in America. He was regarded as a legend.I guess he knew quite a bit about the Reid techniques.

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Re: Oswald's behavior during interrogation

Post by greg parker on Thu 16 Feb 2017, 8:23 am

Vinny wrote:Fritz had a reputation for being one of the finest interrogators in America. He was regarded as a legend.I guess he knew quite a bit about the Reid techniques.
I'm sure of it Vinny. It was widely used among police, FBI, SS and every other agency or department that used interrogations. And Fritz's good ol' boy routine was part of it.

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Re: Oswald's behavior during interrogation

Post by Mick Purdy on Sat 04 Mar 2017, 3:40 pm

Another example of the system at work:

http://www.lifedaily.com/story/man-accused-for-60-years-finally-acquitted-of-all-charges/source/fb/#utm_medium=referral&utm_source=ABS&utm_campaign=T21-1-B-C

And this says its never too late to get justice.
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