Creating Mayhem with Historical Records

Mon 06 Mar 2017, 7:35 pm

Excerpted from Lee Harvey Oswald's Cold War for Tracey Parnell and the edification of the Ed Forum.

My apologies to all, but I am banned from the Ed Forum for refusing to turn the other cheek. I can log on - and do, so I can see what I have and haven't read, but I cannot post nor PM other members.

Creating Mayhem with Historical Records

Proponents of the “Two Oswalds” theory (Harvey & Lee: how the CIA framed Oswald by John Armstrong, Quasar Books, 2003) have completely and in my opinion, deliberately “misunderstood” the Beauregard school records of Oswald.

In fairness, they have been aided and abetted in this misunderstanding by the contradictory advice given to the FBI by the Assistant Principal of Warren Easton High, Wilfred Head, whose help they had sought in interpreting the records. In regard to attendance, Head stated that the abbreviation “Re Ad” usually represented “Re Admitted” and that the numbers listed opposite represented the total number of school days for a given school year.

The advice given above by Head is not entirely correct, but then he compounds the error by stating contradictorily that 180 days was the usual number of days in a school year and in any event, state law mandated that the total number of school days must not fall below 170. Given that the figure shown as “Re Ad” for 1954-55 was 168, Head surmised that the figure must represent the total number of days Oswald actually attended.

It is a little surprising that neither an educator, nor the author of Harvey & Lee (let alone any of his many acolytes and proselytizers) could not do the simple math involved.

The number 168 does indeed fall below the mandated 170 days. That tells us it cannot be the total number of days in the school year. What we need to do is add the number of days listed as “absent” to it. In the case of the 1954-55 school year, we see 168 + 12 absent days = 180 school days – the exact number of days Head claimed to be the “regular”! If we do the same for the previous school year, we get 179 + 5 = 184 – more than the “regular”, but the term does imply occasional variation. The point is that though the Re Ad figure equates to the number of days attended in the 54-55 school year, the assumption that this would also be the case for the 53-54 year is incorrect because Oswald was not enrolled for the entire period.

The Two Oswald theorists in short, need the “Re Ad” figures to always indicate total number of days attended because this would mean overlap with New York school records in the 53-54 school year and since Oswald cannot be in two places at once, it must denote a second boy using the same name.
At its core, this theory deploys the same unscrupulous manipulation of the evidence to achieve a desired outcome as demonstrated by the Warren Commission.

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There is also a short version here: https://www.thenewdisease.space/hardlylee-nut
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The even shorter and simpler version is that if Head had remembered to add on the absences to get the magic 180, he would not have jumped to a wrong conclusion that the re-ad figure was "days attended". It wasn't. He was almost right the first time when he said it represented the "total listing of the school days for a given school year." It does - but only after you add on the days absences.

Anyone with two firing brain cells and without a turd to polish and sell, could work out from there that the number of school days in a given school year is not always the same as the days attendance for any given student. With Oswald during the 53-54 school year, it most assuredly wasn't - because he was not there the whole school year.

But keep polishing boys. Soon you should be able to see your own faces in that feces! I love you

Tue 07 Mar 2017, 9:21 am

Another thing worth noting - these krazy klowns have the FBI charging around confiscating non-existent records and changing statements from schools and witnesses in their great Hide the Harvey quest, but then not only don't they confiscate other records, they apparently correctly quote Wilfred Head who - according to said Krazy Klowns - gives the entire game away. WHY DIDN'T THEY CHANGE WHAT HEAD SAID?

Answer: because there was no Harvey to hide.

Fri 10 Mar 2017, 9:31 am

sandy Larson rebuttal to me:

SL wrote:Yes, I can rebut Tracy's and Greg's explanations:

1. _____ ? (Enter the first number from Tracy or Greg's explanation.)
2. What does that (or any) number have to do with the fact that both school records indicate LHO took and passed classes during the fall semester of 1953?
That's right, nothing.
3. _____ ? (Enter the next number from Tracy or Greg's explanation.)
4. Go to 2.

Done!

So according to Sandy, the following records show LHO taking and passing classes in the fall of 1953.

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1317#relPageId=845&tab=page

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1317#relPageId=846&tab=page

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1317#relPageId=847&tab=page

Can someone please point out what Sandy is referring to? We seem to have nothing but his assertion.

What these records show is that Oswald commenced at Beauregard on Jan 13, 1954 and that his address was the Murret's place on French St.

Yet according to the Harvey and Lee Brains Trust, it was LEE who started on Jan 13, 1954 and HARVEY who lived at 126 Exchange Place. We therefore need to assume that the Beauregard School records of Harvey and Lee must have been merged - though that claim does not seem to have been made. Very odd. Either there were two kids whose Beauregard records where merged or there was one kid and they are misreading the records.

As far Sandy's claim --- I'll await his interpretation - or his retraction.

If he gives the former, as far as I am concerned,he joins the Brains Trust of Jim-Bob and The Fez and all that entails.

Below is a checklist of important paperwork to provide to your child's school when you move:
Official records

A list of all of the schools your child has attended. Include the dates he was enrolled, the addresses and pertinent contact information.
Copies of all transcripts or report cards. Request all original transcripts with the school seal--many schools require the original copies for enrollment. Gather all of your child's report cards as well. Make photocopies of these documents for your own records.
Test scores. All official standardized test results should be obtained from your child's current school.
Copies of immunizations and recent medical records. Most schools require proof of vaccinations and health information before your child can enroll to ensure the safety of all students.http://www.movers.com/moving-guides/transferring-childs-school-records.html

Whether it applied to Beauregard, don't recall, but in at least one new school he started at, they tested him one or more subjects not long after he started in order to see where he was at - and possibly also because previous records were not provided.

So where are we now? The extant records show Oswald started at Beauregard on 13/1/54 with his home address as 126 Exchange Place. When read CORRECTLY, the records also show that he attend from 13/1/54 to the end of the 53/54 school year and for the full 54/55 school year as shown preciously.

There is no mystery - except why a self-professed Brainiac 1.05 could be suckered in by obvious crap.

Fri 10 Mar 2017, 11:46 am

If I ever decide to resume cartooning, I'll be introducing a few new characters such as this one:

Creating Mayhem with Historical Records Larson%20the%20Lesser

Creating Mayhem with Historical Records Larson%20the%20Lesser

Fri 10 Mar 2017, 3:45 pm

In the real world, these are some of the ways schools handle transferees in regard to tests etc

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=571498

Fri 10 Mar 2017, 4:05 pm

greg parker wrote:In the real world, these are some of the ways schools handle transferees in regard to tests etc

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=571498

A selection of comments from the link:

"I moved around a lot growing up, but thankfully my last move was my sophomore year of high school. In that case, my new school just sort of said, "Yeah, that nutrition class you took is almost like gym class, so we'll give you a pass on that. And even though you didn't take history, your economics class will count for that."

"The schools do not want to fail anyone for transferring."

"Schools are used to kids coming and going throughout the year and are usually pretty good about having your old classes transfer as something in the new school."

"My niece came to live with me last year and had to transfer to the high school here. She was partly into her junior year. The school here matched up credits as best they could, as mentioned upthread. They had to get a little creative with it, but it worked out."

"Sometimes credits can be fudged to fit new graduation requirements--like a semester of health that was required at the old school can be made to sub for a semester of PE that is required at the new school, or a creative writing course that isn't even offered at the new school can be made to sub for a fine arts requirement."

"When kids come mid-semester, they usually come with grades for previous grading periods, so we just put those in. Teachers (at least at my school) have a LOT of discretion about grades"

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If this issue is not a dead one by now in certain quarters, it is because of something beginning with "a" and ending in "a" and has a "gend" in the middle.

Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:26 pm

Stan Dane wrote:If I ever decide to resume cartooning, I'll be introducing a few new characters such as this one:

Sat 11 Mar 2017, 1:41 am

Surprising that they don't have a Marina Double as well.

Sat 11 Mar 2017, 4:38 am

Vinny wrote:Surprising that they don't have a Marina Double as well.

Don't give them ideas, Vinny!

Sat 11 Mar 2017, 6:27 am

greg parker wrote:

Vinny wrote:Surprising that they don't have a Marina Double as well.

Don't give them ideas, Vinny!

Mon 13 Mar 2017, 3:23 pm

greg parker wrote:

greg parker wrote:In the real world, these are some of the ways schools handle transferees in regard to tests etc

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=571498

A selection of comments from the link:

"I moved around a lot growing up, but thankfully my last move was my sophomore year of high school. In that case, my new school just sort of said, "Yeah, that nutrition class you took is almost like gym class, so we'll give you a pass on that. And even though you didn't take history, your economics class will count for that."

"The schools do not want to fail anyone for transferring."

"Schools are used to kids coming and going throughout the year and are usually pretty good about having your old classes transfer as something in the new school."

"My niece came to live with me last year and had to transfer to the high school here. She was partly into her junior year. The school here matched up credits as best they could, as mentioned upthread. They had to get a little creative with it, but it worked out."

"Sometimes credits can be fudged to fit new graduation requirements--like a semester of health that was required at the old school can be made to sub for a semester of PE that is required at the new school, or a creative writing course that isn't even offered at the new school can be made to sub for a fine arts requirement."

"When kids come mid-semester, they usually come with grades for previous grading periods, so we just put those in. Teachers (at least at my school) have a LOT of discretion about grades"

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If this issue is not a dead one by now in certain quarters, it is because of something beginning with "a" and ending in "a" and has a "gend" in the middle.

FFS what is wrong with some people? Sandy is complaining because I asked what the hell he is talking about instead of answering his question? The above is the answer. The above is why I asked what the hell he is talking about. It is obvious from the above comments from students who experienced transfers just what can and does happen with grades.

If that is not friggin' good enough Boris, choke on this:

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10773&search=%22lily_b+clayton%22#relPageId=11&tab=page

The relevant quote from the link in regard to Fort Worth School records..."A transfer certificate of High School Credits was received by the Arlington Heights High School from New Orleans Public High Schools..."

Let me say this in a way that even HardlyLee aficionados can understand - there is FUCK ALL!!!! wrong with the school records. The problem is the turkeys trying to find a Harvey in a haystack.

Now unless one of you wants to argue that just because NO forwarded credits to the new school, doesn't mean NY did, it really is time to own up that you've been running a con all along.

Thu 16 Mar 2017, 3:27 pm

I said earlier in this thread:

Whether it applied to Beauregard, don't recall, but in at least one new school he started at, they tested him one or more subjects not long after he started in order to see where he was at - and possibly also because previous records were not provided.

I have found ir. This happened at PS 44 in NYC. It appears to be that the Headmaster ordered Lee be tested because he was "very intelligent" but was having difficulties at home and truanting.
http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10765&search=%22school_records%22#relPageId=6&tab=page

It shows again the the flexibility schools had in testing and grading. The NY records also contain records sent from NO.

But in hardlLee.nut World, school systems are run along Gestapo style lines. If you move - bad luck for you. You're screwed. If you have a dysfunctional home life. Tough. You're screwed.

And if you paid to enter hardlyLee.nut world, there's one of you born every minute...

Mon 20 Mar 2017, 1:17 pm

I see Sandy Larsen is not only a fan of the HardlyLee.nut Show, he is also enamored of the illogicality offered up in its defense.

Sandy Larsen wrote:You and the others say that the Harvey & Lee theory is too fantastic to be real. I probably would have said the same a couple years ago, before I read about Operation Northwoods; before I discovered that there were actually recommendations from generals that the U.S. attack the Soviet Union with nuclear weapons; before I read about the secret CIA experiments with LSD against prisoners, military personnel, and even U.S. civilians. (I'll bet that the U.S. government also performed nuclear radiation experiments against its citizens.)

This is akin to saying that because the US landed a man on the moon, it is entirely possible Jules Verne's book was non-fiction!
http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/logical-fallacies/false-equivalence-logical-fallacies/

Sandy Larsen wrote:If Hargrove's/Armstrong's opponents want any credibility they are going to have to do what Tommy did and produce viable evidence against the evidence Hargrove is producing. They didn't even try with the Stripling/Beauregard school record conflict... probably because there is no reasonable explanation. (I was the only person who gave it a shot.) Oh, they said that it's a school record transfer problem. But they didn't explain how a credit transfer could result in the conflict we see. They just said "credit transfer problem" and waved the problem away. What a cop out! (I was also the only person who tried to make that explanation work.)

No shit, Sandy!

Let me give you a clue. There are things called "search engines". You may use one to find information posted to the web. If you use it, you will find among other things:

That the Beauregard records are explicable because as the NYC school records clearly show, records, grades and test scores are routinely transferred. There has also been evidence posted that teachers have great leeway when giving grades, and there was evidence provided on grades being given simply on the basis of not wanting to disadvantage a new student.

On the Stripling front, why isn't your inquiring mind asking why the FBI was so quick to jump and grab the Stripling records and not do the same with any other school? Moreover, the evidence actually indicates that the FBI went through the proper protocol in each state and obtained the records through school boards. Which of course, makes perfect sense since schools do not hold historic records (except in the HardlyLee.Nut Show)
https://www.tsl.texas.gov/slrm/recordspubs/sd.html

Was it different back in the '60's? Unlikely in the extreme since we are talking about mostly paper records and the space they would require.

Even if there were shell records at the school, the bulk of the material would still be at the district office. Are we going to add the Fort Worth School Boards to our list of conspirators for not handing the Stripling material over?

So what was going on? I got Jack White to admit he had been friends with Kudlaty since college days and he could therefore vouch for Kudlaty's character. I then pointed out that since Mr White was so involved with the book and the underlying research, such a friendship should have been declared so it could be taken into account in assessing this witness, he immediately backtracked and claimed he hardly knew him, he had been in his wife's classes, not his and he had only seen him once in 50 years. Thereafter Mr. White and his legion of supporters refused to acknowledge that both stories could not be true. Either Mr. White knew Kudlaty well enough to vouch for his total honesty, or he hardly knew him and therefore could not vouch for him. Either way, Kudlaty is a compromised witness shot down by this friendship and by how and where old school records are kept.

Have you even bothered to read any of the posts in the "Harvey and Lee" dedicated forum, Sandy, or are you afraid of burst bubbles?

Fri 24 Mar 2017, 9:13 am

greg parker wrote:I said earlier in this thread:

Whether it applied to Beauregard, don't recall, but in at least one new school he started at, they tested him one or more subjects not long after he started in order to see where he was at - and possibly also because previous records were not provided.

I have found ir. This happened at PS 44 in NYC. It appears to be that the Headmaster ordered Lee be tested because he was "very intelligent" but was having difficulties at home and truanting.
http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10765&search=%22school_records%22#relPageId=6&tab=page

It shows again the the flexibility schools had in testing and grading. The NY records also contain records sent from NO.

But in hardlLee.nut World, school systems are run along Gestapo style lines. If you move - bad luck for you. You're screwed. If you have a dysfunctional home life. Tough. You're screwed.

And if you paid to enter hardlyLee.nut world, there's one of you born every minute...

I see Sandy has pointed out that the link I provided shows medical examination results, not exam results and therefore I am "debunked".

As with all of the school records, it depends on how you read the document. Here, the abbreviation is used almost exclusively when referring to school/college exams in various subjects. So when it is noted that a principal has requested an "exam" for a new student and this is noted on a medical form with the following language, "exam requested by principal under supervision of [illegible]. Has not been attending school [?] but very intelligent. Upset home life, father deceased." the question of an "exam" is explicitly being related to [untested but obvious] intelligence - not to medical issues.

But having looked at it again, I happily concede that Sandy's view of it may be correct. Emphasis on "may". He is certainly not correct in claiming that (even if he is correct on this), it debunks my debunking of Oswald most decidedly not being in two schools at once because he has avoided addressing the issues raised in the post that followed the one he decided he could "debunk". It, and a correct rendering of how to read the Beauregard record, thoroughly puts the sword to this nonsense. Another tactic of the HardlyLee.nut cult. Cherry pick.

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