Robert spills the beans... again

HR Puffnstuff aka Jim Hargrove wrote:New York City was a clever choice for Harvey Oswald’s school placement.  Public schools in the city were given numbers that were often repeated in some of the five boroughs. While Harvey attended PS 44 in the Bronx, Lee was probably (according to info from Robert Oswald’s book) at PS 44 in Manhattan.

Glad to see you're consistent in believing that your witness has infallible memory.

So... according to you, Robert met the historical Lee in NYC and knew he attended one of the doppelganger PS 44s - this one in Manhattan. 

Meanwhile, he also met and photographed the Hungarian born, Bronx PS 44 attending,  jeans wearing Lee doppelganger at the Bronx Zoo.

You sir, are a friggin' genius. I salute you!

You bring this case to new lows every time you hit that keyboard.

Does his book say at how shocked he was at meeting his 2 mothers?

Hey Greg, could you clarify something for me as well? I believe it was on thanksgiving 1962? Where Oswald and family spent time together but allegedly Margeurite was not present? I remember coming across that bit and found it absolutely strange because I could not find why she was absent (if she was) from such an important family dinner gathering. Any thoughts? Please and thanks! If this is off topic I'll ask in the proper place.

BC_II wrote:Hey Greg, could you clarify something for me as well? I believe it was on thanksgiving 1962? Where Oswald and family spent time together but allegedly Margeurite was not present? I remember coming across that bit and found it absolutely strange because I could not find why she was absent (if she was) from such an important family dinner gathering. Any thoughts? Please and thanks! If this is off topic I'll ask in the proper place.

BC,

From memory, the reason given was simply that none of them got along with her.  No surprise I suppose that I think the real reason was that it was no ordinary get -together. It was Pic debriefing Lee and Marina for US intelligence. He had recorded his mileage from his base to Robert's house - usually only done so that the cost can be claimed as a work expense against tax.

greg parker wrote:

BC_II wrote:Hey Greg, could you clarify something for me as well? I believe it was on thanksgiving 1962? Where Oswald and family spent time together but allegedly Margeurite was not present? I remember coming across that bit and found it absolutely strange because I could not find why she was absent (if she was) from such an important family dinner gathering. Any thoughts? Please and thanks! If this is off topic I'll ask in the proper place.

BC,

From memory, the reason given was simply that none of them got along with her.  No surprise I suppose that I think the real reason was that it was no ordinary get -together. It was Pic debriefing Lee and Marina for US intelligence. He had recorded his mileage from his base to Robert's house - usually only done so that the cost can be claimed as a work expense against tax.

Ahhh ok, thanks a ton for the response. Very interesting. Its always unfortunate that Pic never opened up much more...at least that I know of.

BC_II wrote:

greg parker wrote:

BC_II wrote:Hey Greg, could you clarify something for me as well? I believe it was on thanksgiving 1962? Where Oswald and family spent time together but allegedly Margeurite was not present? I remember coming across that bit and found it absolutely strange because I could not find why she was absent (if she was) from such an important family dinner gathering. Any thoughts? Please and thanks! If this is off topic I'll ask in the proper place.

BC,

From memory, the reason given was simply that none of them got along with her.  No surprise I suppose that I think the real reason was that it was no ordinary get -together. It was Pic debriefing Lee and Marina for US intelligence. He had recorded his mileage from his base to Robert's house - usually only done so that the cost can be claimed as a work expense against tax.

Ahhh ok, thanks a ton for the response. Very interesting. Its always unfortunate that Pic never opened up much more...at least that I know of.

I count almost 70 times during his testimony where he says I don't remember or I don't recall. That would go close to being a record for any witness, and came despite having notes with him and asking to go off the record at least once when after saying he couldn't recall something. 

He was gotten to. His change of mind about the alleged knife incident proves it. In all the documentation, he repeatedly denies he was ever told about such a thing. But then before the commission, he is suddenly on board with the official story.

greg parker wrote:

BC_II wrote:

greg parker wrote:

BC_II wrote:Hey Greg, could you clarify something for me as well? I believe it was on thanksgiving 1962? Where Oswald and family spent time together but allegedly Margeurite was not present? I remember coming across that bit and found it absolutely strange because I could not find why she was absent (if she was) from such an important family dinner gathering. Any thoughts? Please and thanks! If this is off topic I'll ask in the proper place.

BC,

From memory, the reason given was simply that none of them got along with her.  No surprise I suppose that I think the real reason was that it was no ordinary get -together. It was Pic debriefing Lee and Marina for US intelligence. He had recorded his mileage from his base to Robert's house - usually only done so that the cost can be claimed as a work expense against tax.

Ahhh ok, thanks a ton for the response. Very interesting. Its always unfortunate that Pic never opened up much more...at least that I know of.

I count almost 70 times during his testimony where he says I don't remember or I don't recall. That would go close to being a record for any witness, and came despite having notes with him and asking to go off the record at least once when after saying he couldn't recall something. 

He was gotten to. His change of mind about the alleged knife incident proves it. In all the documentation, he repeatedly denies he was ever told about such a thing. But then before the commission, he is suddenly on board with the official story.

That is just fascinating, thanks a ton for sharing. I had no idea. Just heartbreaking the trove of knowledge and facts he could've brought to the case, I think the same about Robert.

From Robert Oswald's book.



Meanwhile, Vada and I decided to plan a family reunion for Thanksgiving Day, November 22. John Pic and his family had returned to the United States from Japan a few months earlier and were now living in San Antonio.He and Lee hadn't seen each other in nearly ten years, since that unhappy year in New York. I had
kept up with both brothers and usually passed along the news from one to the other, but Lee and John had not even exchanged letters during this time. Now, with all of us in Texas, it seemed like a good time to bring them together again—forall of us to be together with our wives and children.


I didn't invite Mother to the gathering. We wanted to be sure it would be a happy meeting for everybody, with no bitterness or unhappy reminders. I wrote to Lee and asked if he and Marina could come. His reply, dated November 17, was postmarked the next day:
Dear Robert:
In answer to your kind invitation for Thanksgiving, we'd love to come and we'll be in Fort Worth Thanksgiving morning. We shall come by bus and I'll give you a ring on the phone from the bus station (about 9:00-10:00).
See you soon, Lee


On Thanksgiving morning, John and I went down to the bus station to meet Lee and Marina and June. They seemed gay and cheerful, giving us no hint of the trouble they had been having. Marina wrote about that day later as one of the
happiest days of that year. They were laughing a lot and showed us some silly pictures they had taken in one of those coin-operated photo booths in the station.
John and Lee had a lot to talk about, after ten years. They exchanged stories about their experiences in Japan, but Lee didn't mention Russia. We didn't bring it
up either. It just seemed better to ait for Lee to volunteer whatever he wanted to say about it. He said nothing.


We didn't mention Mother, either.Lee may have told John that he and Marina had seen Mother and lived with her for a hile, but there was no discussion.
It was a good day for all of us, happy and relaxed, the way a family holiday ought to be. Vada and Margie and Marina were busy in the kitchen while John and Lee and I talked in the living room and played with the children. We took some
color movies that day.


We had dinner late in the afternoon and sat around the table for about two hours. Just before dark, Lee and Marina began to get ready to go back to Dallas. John offered to take them to the bus station, but they said they wanted to telephone Paul Gregory before leaving Fort Worth.

This whole thing about the alleged knife incident in NY causing a rift between Lee and John is bunk. There was no knife incident and Lee's paperwork for entry into the marine's proves there was no rift - at least not with John.

How?

Lee named two people as his beneficiaries in the event of his death while serving. Those two people were Marguerite and John. Not included was Robert.

Whoa....no Robert? Any ideas as to why? Thats interesting and again guys, thanks so much for these well researched facts that help us see more clearly with every discovery.

BC_II wrote:Whoa....no Robert? Any ideas as to why? Thats interesting and again guys, thanks so much for these well researched facts that help us see more clearly with every discovery.

I was going from memory so I double-checked.

He named Marguerite as eligible for 6 months death gratuity if he was not survived by a wife or child. In the event of Marguerite herself not being alive, he named his 2nd preference as John Pic.

Amounts to the same thing. He was supposed to have been estranged from John, so why name him and not his full brother Robert?

So, I guess we can add Robert to the list of spouters of pure bunkum.

I have always looked at him oddly ever since I found out he's the one who supplied the camera to the WC. As with everything else in this case we have to wade through layers and layers of crap to begin to uncover any of the shredded truth.

Thanks, Greg.