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Post by James K. Olmstead on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 11:40 am

I've been away from the JFK case for several years.  My fingerprint evidence work is still on going but on hold at this time. Since the Oct release I've been trying to  reconnect to previous work as I read and evaluate the new evidence in relationship.  Two minor questions are causing  a brain freeze and  I could use a kick in the head.

1.  When was major interest first shown to 544 Camp St. in NO concerning Oswald?

New work puts that interest starting on 11/26/63. I have previous data on Camp St, of interest but had no idea when any date of interest was shown concerning LHO and not Ferrie or Banister. I can't find when the interest first started from previous work. It could be a critical factor or minor background, hard to tell until I find the old date.

2. Is Morris Bishop the same man as the well known Maurice Bishop?  Morris is not listed as an alias in a new doc concerning Cuban agents, however the two men are associated with the same people.  A larger group of individuals connected to Bishop are of new interest. I never trusted AV's account on who Bishop was.

Thanks for any input..jko

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Post by James K. Olmstead on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 1:56 pm

quick correction the date of interest has been moved up to 11/22/63 after checking some old Weisburg and Weberman files....so any other date becomes secondary.

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Post by greg parker on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 2:14 pm

James K. Olmstead wrote:quick correction the date of interest has been moved up to 11/22/63 after checking some old Weisburg and Weberman files....so any other date becomes secondary.
That quick? Wow.

On your second question - same person.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=107355&search="Morris_Bishop"#relPageId=2&tab=page

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Post by James K. Olmstead on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 3:39 pm

Ana del Valle contacted the FBI on 22 November, her
office was at 544 Camp St. She is the starting point for
consideration of any Hoffa related plot.   See Miguel Cruz
comments about killing JFK and Ducos.  The teamster connection has to be reconsidered. The H. Weisberg files gets credit for me looking closer in this area years ago.
New docs have forced me to look as deep as I can.

thanks for  the confirmation on Bishop he plays a role
in the above....as does William Darnell of Lykes Steamship....too early to present details but will keep
you up to speed soon.

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Post by James K. Olmstead on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 3:54 pm

Since Bishop might be a greater concern I don't want to leave you hanging about Lykes here's some material
I'm working on at this time.

Here is a list of names of individual that Fonzi believed had information concerning Morris Bishop and LHO in Miami:

Luis Balbuena
Paul Bethal
Frank Castro
Luis Conte Aquerra
Hector Cornilot
William Darnell*****Lykes Steamship Co.
Joaquin Godoy
Leonore Gonzales
Melvyn Greenspahn
Hal Hendrix
Max Lesnick
Jay Malin
Ignacio Novo
Robert Peloquin
Guillermo Alonso Pujol
Felipe Rivero
Pedro Ruig
Hector Serrano
Geraldine Shamma
Jose Dionisio Suarez
Carlos Todd
Cecilio J. Vazquez

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Post by James K. Olmstead on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 3:57 pm

might as well add David Yaras...founded Miami Teamster
local 320

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Post by greg parker on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 7:41 am

Melvyn Greenspahn was an attorney who represented an anti-Castro terrorist in 1974...

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/belligerence/crespo-arrested.htm

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Post by James K. Olmstead on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 2:08 pm

At this time due to his 1959 radio program he is of interest to me only because of a old Cuban exile contact I lost track of in Orlando, Fla who also had a radio program in Cuba at the same time..knew Castro and was involved in plots to kill Castro.  He came to Cleveland in 1962. He was my main source of info on Gentile, who was engaged to his sister.  RFK ransomed Gentile.

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Post by James K. Olmstead on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 5:26 am

The following is back ground on my interest in 544 Camp St and the Cruz comment mentioned. This information is critical in light of new leads, INMHO, dealing with new plot considerations.

From a Report: HSCA VOL X Anti-Castro
XII. 544 Camp Street and Related Events
Submitted by:
GAETON J. FONZI,
Investigator.

***note***
I do not have handy the following (31) ref:

(31) Outside Contact Report with Attachment, Mrs. Anna Stewart, Apr. 11, 1978, House Select Committee on Assassinations (J.F.K. Document 007364).

Maybe on MF Archive site I need to search.

The first consideration to look at is the Hotel Workers Union, not Thornley, who has his own place in the box.  I like looking for what should be in the box, but
is not.  My comments will be marked with ***.

474. Before discussion of the investigation of the Banister office, this material sets forth the results of the investigation into the other occupants of 544 Camp Street.


475. The Hotel, Motel, and Restaurant Employees Union is known today as the Hotel and Restaurant Employees and Bartenders' Union (International).(31) Although the committee was unable to locate personnel who had worked in the office at 544 Camp Street and had been interviewed by the Secret Service following the assassination, the committee did obtain a "master" membership list from the union.

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" Although the committee was unable to locate personnel who had worked in the office at 544 Camp Street"

*** This my friends is pure bullshit.  The FBI was contacted by Ana Maria Del Velle, who had offices at 544 Camp St, on November 22, 1963, concerning the Cruz comment.
She was also the Sec/Tres of the union at the time.  She was court appointed to this position in May of 1962.  She also fled to Puerto Rico just after her contact with the FBI in fear. The FBI knew where and how to contact Del Velle and knew she was connected
to 544 Camp St.

*** Here is the Thornley material also of note, but I have no comment at this time.

(32) The lists contained names of members for the years 1962 through 1964 that were studied for names of associated of Oswald or others of interest in the investigation. Among the names appearing on the list as a member from October 30, 1962, "through April 1963" was Kerry Thornley,(33) who had been an acquaintance of Oswald's for "3 or 4 months" in 1959 when both were stationed at the El Toro Marine Corps base in Santa Ana, Calif.(34) Later, Thornley learned of Oswald's defection to the Soviet Union from newspaper accounts.(35) Thornley found the story so interesting that he set out to write a novel based on Oswald's defection.(36)

476. nevertheless, the committee's investigation of Kerry Thornley uncovered nothing of significance in the appearance of Thornley's name on the list of members of the union. As reflected in the union's records, Thornley dropped his membership after April 1963.(37) Thornley had left New Orleans to travel to California and Mexico and did not return to New Orleans until August 1963,(38) leaving little overlap of time in which Oswald and Thornley could have possibly come in contact.

477. Thornley firmly denied contact with Oswald at 544 Camp Street in New Orleans or at any time since his Marine Corps days.(39) His statements have been corroborated and no evidence has been found to contradict him.

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Post by James K. Olmstead on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 7:04 am

from
Camp Street Blues
Does a New Orleans address link Lee Harvey Oswald to a conspiracy?  by Dave Reitzes

The only relevance of the 544 Camp Street address would seem to be that it had briefly housed the office of the anti-Castro Cuban Revolutionary Council (CRC). That had been for only a few months in late 1961 and early 1962, though -- the CRC was long gone from the building by the time Lee Harvey Oswald showed up in the Big Easy in April 1963.(15)

Why, then, did Oswald stamp that address on his leaflets? It might be of some significance that the one occasion Oswald is known to have used pamphlets with the "544 Camp St." stamp was August 9, 1963, the day Carlos Bringuier and friends discovered him holding a "demonstration" only a few blocks from Bringuier's store.(16)

Everyone has always considered 544 Camp St as a link between LHO and Banister.  Dave showed another
view with details of the Cuban Revolutionary Council (CRC) and Carlos Bringuier. I now feel much stronger that real connection maybe with the HRWU in New Orleans/Pureto Rico and a Ruby/Oswald connection starting point.

I first posted on this back in 2001 asking if Ana Maria del Vele was the Maria in LHO's notebook....I believe so.

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Post by greg parker on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 7:38 am

Jim, have you found any links between that union and the FPCC?

Big coincidence that Thornley leaves (edit: should read "arrives in") NO around the time Oswald leaves and arrives again when Oswald is starting his leafleting adventures. I have read somewhere, a theory that it was Thornley who actually ordered and pick up those leaflets.


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Post by James K. Olmstead on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 10:20 am

Greg: I have several leads but they deal more with the
Teamsters then the FPCC at this time.  I have alot of
dead ends to look at with a fresh view.

Some of the leads maybe of interest to others here looking into the Dallas Hilton board.  Cruz and del Valle are linked to several with Hilton org in Dallas and San Juan.

Pedro Defifillo, FBI PCI and gambler
Humberto Betancourt, FBI PCI and gambler
Harvey Gordon
**Miguel Amato, Caribe Hilton
**Paul Gunta, Caribe Hilton (SJ and Dallas)
**Randal L. Davis,  Sheraton Hilton (SJ and Dallas)

There are over a dozen threats to JFK associated to Puerto Rico and various Cuban exile groups that I'm looking at right now as well as looking into members of the FPCC. Two of which worked out of, I think, not sure, the Trade Mart  ....jko

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Post by greg parker on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 10:28 am

544 Camp was not actually Banister's street address, but if I recall correctly, it WAS the street address for the union?

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Post by James K. Olmstead on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 11:34 am

"Banister’s secretary, Delphine Roberts, and William George Gaudet, a CIA operative who frequently met with Banister, recalled seeing Oswald in Banister’s office."

GAUDET is a key concern relating to LHO heading to Mexico.


The HRWU address is 544 Camp ST....it is not Banisters..jko

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Post by James K. Olmstead on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 2:29 pm

The following individuals were contacted in New Orleans, by the FBI, concerning activities of LHO, (after he left N.O.) and the FPCC.  Two were at the start of Lee's trip to Mexico City.

Jesse Core  Public Relations, International Trade Mart  contacted 9/30/63

Roberto Fernandez de Castro, Free Trade Zone  contacted 10/29/63

Mrs. Tina Herlinger, International House, World Trade Development  contacted 11/8/63

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Post by James K. Olmstead on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 5:53 am

from Oct 2017 release information on:

Eduardo A. J. Guevara     233 Chartres St.
Chapter tres (10-24-61)

docid-32198731.pdf




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