David Ferrie is the Tippit second shooter - My new discoveries over the last year.

I don't remember if I posted here before, forgot I had an account. 

I'll summarize my work. One thing that is certain, is that you can gain a better understanding of the assassination by understanding the relationships between people involved, not the details on the ground, although they obviously have their place.

Im posting this here for documentation purposes only.

The man who gave the order was David ben-Gurion, Prime Minister of Israel. This will become brutally obvious once you read the NUMEC and Dimona documents. FARA had been going on for 15 years and on November 21, 1963, Israel was ordered to register the AZC/AIPAC as a foreign agent. That would have destroyed Israel's ability to buy our elections, like they do to this very day. Johnson was the first Jewish Zionist president. He was their man and had been deeply personally invested in Israel's success and growth. it didn't hrt thay had sexual blackmail on him ( I won't go into that, read the Jack Valenti file). Yitzhak Rabin, head of the Mossad in 1963, was in Dallas on 11/22, as per his wife's memoires published after he died. 

The first meeting between the Haganah and the Mafia came in 1946 when Reuvin Dafni met with Bugsy Seigel in Los Angeles. He plead the Israeli case, and seeing how the Mafia was run by Jews, not Italians, post the murder of Salvador Maranzano in 1931, the Haganah felt the US mafia would be a strong ally, and they were correct. Next you have Meyer Lansky, boss of all bosses, assisting ben-Gurion steal and smuggle millions of dollars of weaponry out of the US in what has become known as the Sonneborn Institute. Shortly after, Meyer Lansky, who had set up drug trafficking routes around the world, teamed up with Tibor Rosenbaum, founder of BCI, the Banque de Credite Internationale. It was through BCI that Lansky laundered probably over a billion dollars in drug money. BCI was also used by the Israeli government for all of their early international transactions. Rosenbaum eventually became the primary financier of the Mossad, along with Yehuda Assia, who financed Dimona and CMC/Permindex. The bond between Meyer Lansky's Mafia and the Mossad is absolutely undeniable.

This becomes even more obvious with the identification of both "the Cuban" who wasn't Cuban, and "the Umbrella Man." When you come to understand the relationship between Israel and the Moroccan government in the 1960s, it becomes no surprise that the "Cuban" was Moroccan General Ahmed Dlimi. His service to the Mossad is apparent when you read about the Ben Barka murder, and subsequent murder of Dlimi at the hands of Bush's CIA. The Umbrella Man is the one and only cocaine trafficker, right hand man to Noriega, Michael Harari. Michael Collins Piper pointed this out in Final Judgment, yet the myths persisted. Harari was stationed in Mexico City at the time of all the mercenary/cia activity down there in 63. 

Thanks to Hank Albarelli, we can close the book on the Grassy Knoll Assassin, whom will be identified in Hank's new book Coup In Dallas, as one Jean-Pierre Lafitte or Malachi jean Pierre Lafitte, or any one of Lafitte's 40 known aliases, which include Jack Martin. Yes, that Jack Martin. The real "Jack Martin" or "Edward Suggs" was institutionalized in 1957 for extrreme exposure to LSD. Suggs may have played a role, but going through the Jack Martin files, you will see that his operational awareness and sophistication, was light years ahead of anything that Suggs would have ever been exposed to. According to a well known researcher, whom I cannot identify but whom ive had many private conversations with, Lafitte was arrested after the assassination, and released by Bill Decker himself. We'll have to wait till May when Hank's book comes out to find out the details. Hank died right after writing it. Just FYI. More confirmation comes from Ralph Ganis book, The Skorzeny Papers, and yes Skorzeny was in Dealey Plaza that day also, most likely the heavy set man in the white shirt behind the fence. You can find him in one of the lesser known Dealey Plaza photos. 

One of the big mysteries was David Ferrie's trip to Houston and Galveston. Well, he never actually went to Houston, and probably didn't go to galvston either. Marcello, G Wray Gill, and his secretary were the only ones to vouch for Ferrie having been in New Orleans at the time of the murder. Would it surprise you that they lied? Ferrie was in Dallas, most likely the man in the black hat and coat standing next to the depository with his face scratched out in the Altgens photo. That man was described as the same man sitting in Carl Mathers gray Plymouth after the shooting. David Ferrie was the short heavy set man with frizzy hair that fired the last shot into Tippit's head. He ran to a nearby safe house, of which there were at least 7 within a 3 block area. I have yet to identify the primary shooter although it is either Santana, Crafard, or Seymour. Most likely Seymour, who was well acquainted with Ferrie. For those of you thinking im making this up as I go along, here is your proof Ferrie was in Dallas.



This is Alvin Beauboeuf and Layton Martens in Dealey Plaza. You will note the clothing worn by Beauboeuf matches the description provided by William Whaley to a tee. Boeuboeuf is the one who caught the bus and the cab and got out in the 500 block of N Beckley. It is highly unlikely he was involved in the shooting of Tippit.He most likely entered a safe house and on cue, the real killer of Tippit walked out. It was scheduled, that is why he couldnt wait for the bus. There were other taxis around, which is why he offered the taxi to the older lady.

Ferrie had flown them to Dallas from Hammond. That night he returned to Hammond and stayed for the weekend with Thomas Compton and his roommate who provided conflicting details to Garrison and the FBI.  It was Bill Dalzell who drove to the Winterland Ice Skating rink with Beauboeuf and Martens. The first clue was that Roland Chuck ROlland, whom ill get top soon, told the WC , that he introduced himself as David Ferrie upwards of five times. Obviously trying to draw attention to himself and make sure the guy knew his name. It would take an hour to explain why its dalzell, so ill skip it for now. ( Also Melvin Coffee is an alias for Michael Paine, whom was probably the reason for the alleged stop at the Manned Space Center but he was not with them from what i can tell at any point). Here is where it gets good.

The Winterland Ice Rink was owned by Johnson Family Enterprises. Yes thats right LBJ's family business. The first leasee was a woman whose name was Mary Boots Roberts, aka Mary Margaret Boots Roberts White, aka Mary Caltagirone. 



While the names on the paperwork changed, Mary's family maintained the rink through 1963 and beyond. If you couldnt tell by her numerous aliases, Mary was CIA. This becomes obvious when you see that she later went to work for NASA, just like 4 of Oswald's coworkers at Reilly Coffee. (Lafitte worked at Reilley Coffee too by the way.) NASA was an intelligence front of sorts in the 60s. Their bloated budget was used to hide the funnelling of money to the cia. None of these people were rocket scientists, literally. They were spies. Ready for the kicker? Mary had a cousin in Houston named Vincent Caltagirone. Vincent had married and by 63 had divorced from Jack Valenti's sister Lorraine. The circle is complete. Turns out the Valenti's and the Caltagirones are a 




Jack is the real star of the assassination and no one talks about him. He wasn't in the motorcade, he was on the ground in Dealey Plaza. His story about how he got to Love Field is bogus.He did, however, claim to have been in the basement of Parkland hospital, so if anyone is the main suspect in planting the Magic Bullet (or not so magic bullet as when interviewed, the two men who found it refused to idenify CE399 as the bulet they found. They identified a pointed tip 303 round as the one they found. CE399 is a complete hoax), it's Jack Valenti. Jack Valenti goes on to run Hollywood for 40 years as his reward. He takes over for Lew Wasserman, whom he was very close to. I could write a book on the Wasserman/Valenti role in shaping society and culture for half a century, and who they really work for, but I think you can figure that out. Jack Wasserman is Marcllo's lawyer. When Beauboeuf is arrested on the night of the 24/25th, he had Jack Wasserman's card in his pocket. 






Joyce Rolland and Mary Boots Roberts, look awfully damn alike dont you think? The left image is simply older.I found at least 2 other Mary Boots Roberts obituaries with close dob and dod, with no pictures on the others. Nothing like having to kill off your other CIA personas. 




You will remember I hope, in the Ferrie documents, it is clear that there were two cars involved in the Galveston trip. One was a light blue Comet station wagon, and the other was described as a Blue Ford. The other car would have been Sergio Arcacha Smith, Emilio Santana, and Jerome Andrew Blackmon. Blackmon was the seaman who was supposed to meet them and Rose Cheramie. He would have had to return to his boat in Galveston, which is where he was when he was questioned by his superiors. There was no need for Dalzel and the boys to go to Galveston. Ferrie's statements about the trip are so contradictory, he barely remembered what he was supposed to say. He gave them like 5 or 6 places he stopped along the way. Why? Because then the damn FBI would have to waste their time in five or six places where nothing happened. Duh. Really about 15 people left Dallas for Houston and Galveston after the assassination. Jim Braden, RD Matthews, William Morgan, a bunch I dont even know about probably. One of them was Jack Ruby.

One thing about spy craft is that everyone has a double. Its modus operendi. Jack Ruby was no exception. We've all seen the photo of him in the hallway that doesnt really look like him. We've seen him at the midnight press conference. We've seen him at the Dallas morning News behind the broadcast. Well that wasn't jack ruby......



Im getting tired, so Ill finish later. Im not even half way yet...As a thought to wrap up on, you'll never understand any of this until you come to understand the relationship between the Mafia, the CIA, and the Mossad, and who wears the pants in that relationship. Ill give you a hint, its not the mob or the CIA. RFK, killed on the one year anniversary of the 6 Day War AND it was blamed on a palestinian. Come on, how is it not obvious. Same with MLK, Malcolm X, George Wallce, 200+ assassinations around the world, Oklahoma City, World Trade center 93, 9/11, and hundreds more i dont even want to know about. It's always them, with the mob and CIA as collaborators. After JFK they felt like the world was theirs, and guess what, seems as though they were right.

Ok I'm back. So, why did Dalzell make it a point to  be noticed in Houston saying he was Ferrie? Why was there a man who looks almost identical to Jack Ruby show up everywhere? Why did Ruby call Robert Baker, who called Dave Yaras, who called Lenny Patrick ( I forget the order but its irrelevant)?? To establish alibis. The Jack Ruby look alike by the way was his brother Samuel Ruby, who despite having moved to Dallas a year and a half before the assassination, is never spoken about anywhere. You ever notice that half the people who knew Jack said he was a hot head while the other half thought he was a great guy with a big heart? Thats because there were literally two Jack Rubys walking around. How this arrangement between Jack and Sam came about I do not know, I only know that it did. And the Yaras/Baker/Patrick phone calls? Probably their wives or an associate that made the cals on their behalf. Yaras and Patrick and Baker were in Dallas. The problem with Baker is he is huge. 350 pounds plus. Kinda hard to hide. The only person that big you see in Dealey Plaza that day is the guy in the white shirt on top of the overpass. it took forever for me to isolate the right FBI files, but I traced what they had on Yaras. He was last seen in Miami about a week before the assassination. He disappears off the radar and reappears in Chicago about 3 or 4 days after the assassination with Patrick.  I could again talk for an hour on this subject but Ill sum it up. Yaras was in Dallas under the name David Leon Miller. Patrick was using the name Isadore Max Miller. now you might be like bullshit, there really was an Isadore Miller. Actually there were two real Isadore Millers. One you can find a photo of with Marilyn Monroe, the other was actually the brother of the real David Leon Miller, who was an associate of Yaras and Ruby, but had moved to Atlanta. it was an Impala with Georgia plates seen by Lee Bowers, remember? Well there is your Atlanta connection. There are more Atlanta connections but they are not relevant right now. Yaras and Patrick were staying right next to the Carousel Club, in a place rented to them by Bertha Cheek, the sister of Earlene Roberts who worked at 1026 N. Beckley. Oswald never lived there. Herbert Leon Lee was staying there in room O. So was Kenneth Cody, John Carter, and a bunch more shady hoodlums connected to Clay Shaw, Ruby and the Dallas PD. OK back to aliases.These guys all used aliases of people they knew. It was just what hey did. The best example is the Mertz/Roux/Souetre aliases. Three real men, which one was which at any given time? Who knows. They stopped using dead peoples identities because they kept getting busted. Shared aliases works, and has had the JFK community chasing ghosts for 60 years.  Read the Marion Meharg files for more info on that. Yaras, Patrick, and Ruby were all Jewish and grew up together in Chicago. Yaras and Patrick had made numerous trips to Israel over the years, presumably, to do assassin work for the Mossad. Their travel there is verifiable. Oh and yes, Jack Ruby was a full time mobster, but he didn't work for Giancana, or any of those guys. He worked directly for Meyer Lansky, just like Braden and we all know his story. Ruby had free reign and when he went somewhere, he went right to the top. He dealt directly with trafficante, Marcello, etc under the authority of Meyer Lansky. Ruby was also an informant, and had been for 20 years or so. Thanks to Doug Valentine, we know that Ruby had worked for George White, who ran MKULTRA, in Chicago in the 1940s. George White and Lafitte were personal friends and associates. Ruby had also worked for Nixon and LBJ. He knew LBJ through Jack Valenti. Jack ruby and Jack Valenti used to run porn movies to Houston for Marcello. One woman came forward and said she had been raped and it was filmed by Jack and Jack, back I the 40s. There is more evidence they knew each other but im not going to waste time going over it here. 

The shooters on the 6th floor were Richard Cain and Lawrence Howard in the snipers nest. Emilio Santana was on the roof, where a Mauser 7.65 was found. That is not speculation. The finding of the Mauser on the roof was confirmed by Dallas Police, however they said it belonged to a security guard who was up there. We all know there was no security guard with a Mauser on the roof. At this point, I have to emphasize, everything that has been reported about the book depository and what went on there was complete bullshit, even the conspiracy world was fed a bunch of fake conspiracy non-sense. Like the second floor encounter with the coke. That never happened. The original police report makes it clear the encounter was on the 4th or 5th floor and he was drinking from a water fountain. The man drinking "resembled" Oswald. Carefully interpreting the the verbiage used when describing many of the events is crucial. Whether people say "it was Oswald" or "it resembled Oswald" is very important, which I had to find out the hard way. The original crime scene reports, lab receipts, and photographs clearly indicate that only 2 shells were found beneath the sixth floor window. This is confirmed by Brennans account of the incident, which if you read it carefully, he is pretty sure there were only two shots.  It is also confirmed by the forensic technician who testified before either the WC or one of the hearings. He said the impressions made  on one of the three shells were very light as if there was not a lot of pressure on the casing from other bullets in the magazine, meaning it was last in line, probably from the previous time the gun was used. Where the whole bullet came from who knows, but it was a shell in the rifle not a full bullet. If I remember correctly, Thomas Masen was the gun store owner, associate of Jack Ruby, who had those In stock and he was arrested that day in Dealey Plaza, so its not a stretch as to where they came from. 

Im falling asleep, so I will pick this up tomorrow. Ill leave you with this. The JFK film was a multimillion dollar piece of Israeli propaganda. Look this up. The executive producer was Arnan Milchan, life long Mossad spy, smuggler turned Hollywood propagandist. He was recruited into the Mossad back in the 70s, was involved in weapons smuggling and some nuclear stuff too that was connected to Lawrence Meyer and Hank Greenspun (the real cause of Watergate). Milchan was recruited directly by Simon Perez, PM of Israel. Simon Perez's brother was Gershon Perez, a member of CMC Permindex, the organization that funded by Yehuda Assia, founded by George Mandel Mantello, and run by Louis Bloomfield. It was a holding company that funded smuggling, assassinations, and the heroin trade. One thing that has to be pointed out is that these animals are not Jews, they are Zionists. Judaism was hijacked between the late 1800s and the end of WW2 by politics Zionists, who were all deeply anti-religious and yes anti-semitic. Herzel, the founder of Zionism as a movement petitioned the pope to Baptize all the Jews in Austria on one big ceremony. So let me make this clear again. Judaism is a religion that is 5000 years old and completely innocuous. Zionism is a political movement founded by non-religious Atheistic anti-semitic Jews, who were willing to sacrifice the orthodox and other religious Jews to Hitler during the "Holocaust" which Ill have to touch upon another time. I don't want to get banned on my first post, which has happened before. everything im saying is not my opinion, its an observation of verifiable history that has been hidden from us intentionally for the last 100 years.  Here is a great video to demonstrate my point. Ill hopefully wrap up tomorrow where ill post everything I know about Lafitte.

Oh yeah, I put many documents and a documentary I made about the assassination at my website. I don't really advertise my site, its more for me to log things for my own future reference, but its somewhat presentable for visitors. 

https://thegrassyknoll.report

Do you live in Sanibel?

Im organizing my Lafitte documents, ill post everything later tonight. here are some links to interviews i've done on the subject. 

Lone Gunman Podcast

https://www.spreaker.com/user/thelonegunman/ep-150-mr-x-bares-all-part-1

https://www.spreaker.com/user/thelonegunman/ep-151-mr-x-explains-nola-and-dallas-pt-

Forbidden Knowledge News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_Uj_DIAesM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P_4smPNCpg

Ive made a ton of discoveries which update some of my positions since i did these so i acknowledge some of this stuff is not correct.

"The Man on the Grassy Knoll" 

grassyknoll.mp4

My documentary on the assassination which goes over primarily the relationships between the Mossad and the Mafia, the JFK / Ben-Gurion "War of Letters" as it has been dubbed, and other background stuff. I have over an hour of the follow up to this done which covers the MKUltra connections, Spycraft, and will outline common easily debunkable myths.

Thanks!

Out of idle curiosity what evidence do you have that Rabin was head of Mossad in 1963?
And what evidence do you have that Otto Skorzeny was in Dealey Plaza?
And while you're at it why did you choose t put inverted commas around the word Holocaust?
Don't tell me, let me guess your one of those brave indefatigable fighters for truth out t wake up the " sheeple" t the insidious Zionist illuminati machinations..
Your piercing insights and astute historical analysis( helped by such towering intellects as the late lamented mr Piper) has penetrated the nefarious web of deception..making history and the future safe for all God fearing blue eyed blonde haired Aryans.
Making sure no other poor benighted soul falls for the despicable Zionist " Holohoax"
Oy vey those Jews must have been crafty alright! Convincing the RSHA, OKW, OKH, Reichsbahn, Office of the Generalgouvernment etc t fake countless documents during wartime too no less, so those sly so in sos could keep on hoodwinking the dumb old goyim after the war...No let me guess the Hofle telegram was fake, right? The Korherr report was really discussing the result of the annual Auschwitz- Dachau swimming competition...for Auschwitz was a veritable holiday camp!! And as for the Himmler memorandum, the Posen speech , the Reichsbahn documents and Christ knows how much more contemporary documentation..all fake right? All the confessions too..

Don't tell me you've read the Leuchter Report? Maybe David Irving too..and you KNOW there weren't even 6 million jews in Europe in 1939!!
I suggest you contact a mr Don Jeffries, a fellow ideologue..and perhaps a certain mr B Doyle too..he's a bona fide genius doncha know!! Outwitting 95% of the poor troll punks who foolishly believed a white ehaired 300-500lb lady of diminutive stature was really a slim young man with dark receding hair..pretty impressive huh?
I'm sure mr Doyle will find your " research" fascinating..round here we tend t rely on pesky little things called facts..
Otto Skorzeny in Dealey Plaza!!!!! Armstrong have mercy on us all...
What I'm dying t know was where was his doppelganger?
Otto HARVEY Skorzeny..an all singing all dancing erotic ventriloquist from Upper Mingehaus Bavaria...ole Otto HARVEY Skorzeny was a crack shot..while you sir sound like you've been smoking fucking crack.

This is not a forum for holocaust discussion. However, since you opened the door..

1. ALL gas chambers that are able to be visited (5) are post-war reconstructions. They are fakes, and admittedly so. None of the holocaust museum staff at any camp deny this.

2. We were told for decades that bars of jewish soap, human lampshades, shrunken heads, pelvis ashtrays, human hair mattresses, etc were made from Jews. This has been debunked by every holocaust "scholar" including people like Yehuda Bauer, Debra Lipstadt, Raul Hildberg who acknowledge this was wartime propaganda created by the PWE, OSS and Russian Propaganda service.

3. No less than 7 forensic tests , including by the Krakau Forensic Institute, have been conducted on the walls of the gas chamber at Auschwitz, Majdenic, BUchenwad, Dachau, Methausen. No significant traces of hydrogen cyanide have ever been found. No Prussian blue staining on any of the alleged gas chambers, however, the delousing facilities still Ofer 70 years contain levels of cyanide the tare off the charts.

4. All props found at Buchenwald and displayed for the world by the OSS have been condemned as inauthentic. They were planted by the psychological warfare unit of the OSS, particularly CD Jackson, who later took over head of Life magazine and is known for taking possession of the Zapruder film.

4. The original death camp count after world war 2 was said to have been 22. That number was revised down to 6 by the 1950s.Of those 6, four were completely destroyed leaving Auschwitz and majdanek. Both are fakes - Auschwitz was built from a former Morgue, and Majdanek was converted from the bath and disinfection building (it has glass windows. Think of how dumb that is).

5. Stephen Pincer, US War Departments Attorney wrote extensively on his 6 year investigation in Germany and Austria after the war and after interviewing thousands of former prisoners he determined less than 1 million Jews died compared to upwards of 20 million non-jews.

6. Jews made up less than half the inmates at any given camp. 


7. The 6 million number and the term Holocaust goes back 5000 years to the jewish Talmud and both have been used to attempt to pull the US and various nations into wars since the 1800s.

8. Criticism of the holocaust and Israelits are immediately deemed anti-semitic. This is a political tactic the original Zionists openly wrote about, so nice try on this one. Your aryan comments make you look like an ignorant asshole, great job. Race has nothing to do with this. Jewish is not a race, they are Europeans of Turkish descent, as was proven by the Genome project.

I have like 50 more but Im too busy for this non-sense. Thanks for commenting on my brilliant work on Winterland by the way, which no one else in 60 years has been able to figure out. If you want to understand the holocaust, watch my documentary on the subject. 

https://lbry.tv/@blackpropaganda.net:f/psychwarfareoptimized:3

And until you read Ralph Ganis book on Skorzeny, there's no point in discussing it with you.

I apologise for using the word Aryan, i apologise t the other forum members for momentarily lowering myself t your level.
Your attempted rebuttals are standard holocaust deniers fare.
They're simply wrong.
The Leuchter Report was wrong, perhaps before parroting nonsense you should actually study it.
Prussian Blue residue is not always present in iron based cyanide compounds.
That's a basic chemical fact. Leuchter fucked up his measurements too...the measurements expected would be in the micrometers. He also failed t study the SS blueprints that revealed the mechanics. The rest of the " studies" have been disproven time and time again indeed they are quite rightly known as psuedo science. I'm not a scientist but i understand enough t know you're wrong.
Holocaust is a Greek word. Meaning burnt sacrifice. It has nothing at all to do with the Talmud.
Hellenistic influence in the ancient near East began with Alexander. In the 3rd century BC.
Biblical scholarship dates the written Talmud t the Babylonian Captivity.
About 200 years earlier. Although the books themselves are far older.
The Talmud was initially written in  Aramaic, a Semitic language. Perhaps you can enlighten us as t the Hellenistic influences in the Babylonian Empire. At the time of Nebuchadnezzar the Greeks were busy fighting amongst themselves. Indeed until the age of Alexander they were the conquered.
Holocaust was first used in the late 1890s in relation t the Ottoman persecution of Armenians.
Its first reference t the Nazi persecutions was perhaps a Jewish scholar in 1939.
Although it didn't come into the vocabulary until the post war years.The 6 million figure is just another holocaust deniers slight of hand.
No reputable historian claims 6 million Jews were gassed.
1 million plus were executed by the Einsatzgruppen. 1.1 died in Auschwitz, approx 2 million died in the Operation Reinhardt camps another 850 000- 1 million in the Arbeitslager and another million or so by various other methods( ill treatment/ deportations
 Anywhere between 5.5- 6.5 million dying between the initial invasion of Poland and spring 194:5
The peak killing periods being after the invasion of the Soviet Union, Operation Reinhardt and the Hungarian gassings of late summer 1944.
The rest of your claims are simply wrong too. 
Of course mistakes were made , especially when the Soviet block was in existence. But the Soviets actually downplayed the Jewish angle, " don't divide the dead " was their motto.
I've no idea where you get the 20 million figure and the 22 death camps.
I've read the original documents. What you people don't seem t realise is the original German documents survived intact.
They record in meticulous detail the entire operation. I've read all the documents from Glucks Concentration Camps directorate.
The communications between the Reichsbahn and the RSHA..they got the holocaust trains at group rates..paying the same as a works outing. After Wannsee the Final Solution of the Jewish Question was state policy.
How do you explain the contemporary evidence? The overwhelming evidence. Have you heard the Trent Park transcripts? Studied the internal SS documentation? The Hofle telegram? The Korherr report?  The notation in Himmlers daily log.." Exterminate them as partisans" The Holocaust is one of the most thoroughly documented events in history. Documented by the actual perpetrators. All you can do is bleat " It's fake..it's fake". Its a shame you couldn't have met my96 year old great uncle who spent 2 years in Mauthausen? I'm sure he'd have been relieved t know his memories werea Zionist hoax. And that his brother died thanks t the Zionists. And no he wasn't Jewish, he was a Spanish Republican Exile deported from France. Not that it makes any difference.
The rest of your ravings is anti Semitic propoganda. Nothing else. Peddled by nasty hate filled little men. Men with a puffed up sense of importance. Men who pass of crosseyed gobbledygook and horrendous lies as " research". Men who seek t make the world as small as their minds.
I'm sorry you're simply wrong. It's that simple. The documentation is there for those who want t learn. You obviously don't. You obviously enjoy wallowing in ignorance. People like you sicken me. Your ignorance is only matched by your loathsome arrogance. You don't want t learn.  An example of this is your comment about Ganis. You like Ganis because you think he tells you what you want t hear.
I apologise again t the other forum members for even entertaining this bellend. He's peddling disgusting lies. The world's full of enough hatred and division without bigots like this spreading even more.
Ganiss book was an absolute joke too. You obviously have no idea who Skorzeny was. If you did youd understand why the thought of him being in Dealey Plaza is laughable.
My advice t you sir is t study history. Not t feed your prejudices but t learn.
You think I'm an ignorant asshole? That's your right t b called an ignorant asshole by the likes of you is the biggest compliment i could wish for... I despise holocaust deniers and everything they stand for. The anti intellectual hate filled dross they peddle. I understand why you need t do it though..the reality of the Holocaust punctures your fantasies of nefarious all powerful Jewish cabals controlling everything.
The truth behind the Holocaust is equally as disturbing as the deniers fantasies.
The truth that the Allied Governments knew full well what was going on and did nothing t stop it.
Save good old Anthony Eden giving a speech in the House of Commons.
They wouldn't even allow Auschwitz t b bombed..even after theyd bombed Monowitz.
Who quashed the request in Washington? None other than John J McCloy.
There's more sthan enough hatred and more than enough skeletons rattling around in our collective subconscious too without assholes and bigots inventing anymore.
You sir are a prime example of why " conspiracy research" is mocked, reviled and dismissed.
Go join Don Jeffries blog..or hire a U boat t take you down Sanibel way...

Definitely Sanibel. The Boys From Brazil relocated.

Sanibel Mach Frei..
Fuck sake i can't get over how dumb the arguments are..
For example Zyklon B Prussic Acid was only used in Auschwitz..the other camps used exhaust fumes...first he claims all the surviving gas chambers are fake then he claims no residue was found.. Obviously you're not going t find residue in fake gas chambers!!! So so his " arguments" are contradictory...and exhaust fumes don't leave behind cyanide residues..unless car engines run on prussic acid..
The gassing process is well documented.
Wirth from Aktion Reinhardt favoured exhaust fumes whilst Hoess, Commandant of Auschwitz favoured Zyklon B.
Zyklon was first tested.by Palitzch on Russian prisoners in the bunker in Block 11 of Auschwitz Stammlager , two cottages were then used( the little red and the little white houses) before the crematoria/ gas chambers were built.
Auschwitz wasn't a fucking morgue either. The main camp( Stammlager) was an abandoned Austro Hungarian cavalry barracks. Birkenau was the custom built vernichstunglager...eventually there were over 300 subcamps in the Auschwitz complex, utilising slave labour.
The myths about soap and lampshades were partly old. WW1 myths.. that were recycled.
The truth is actually bleaker and more depressing in a way than the denier myths.
The political expediency of the Western Allies was sickening..the Himmelrod Memorandum for example...perpetrating the myth of the Clean Wehrmacht in return for West German co operation in NATO.
One of the most nauseating examples is Gruppenfuhrer Heinz Reinfarth..in overall command , above Stroop but below Von Dem Bach Zelewski of the Warsaw Ghetto massacre...not only wasn't he punished he ended up as fucking mayor of Sylt..
These holocaust deniers are as dumb as they are repulsive...with shit for brains under their tin foil Stahlhelms...
Hey Mr Patsy a cosy basement awaits you down Sanibel way...
You and Brian can read Alberts study of Dachau while Larry tootles the Horst Wessel lied on his Casio..
By the way i never did find out where Otto HARVEY Skorzeny was..my guess he was up in the 2nd floor of the DalTex with GHW Bush and Evil Kneivel..

Golda Meir was badgeman. Brian told me. All angles of bullshit now covered.

And James Files ate a bagel before heading up on the grassy knoll...

I'm quite happy for the Holocaust debate to continue but on a different sub-forum. Maybe under Odds and Sods or alternatively in the new debate sub-forum where you get to ask 10 questions each, no personal attacks, no avoiding direct answering of questions. Cites are recommended. No one else to intervene. No one else to comment until after the debate. Comments would be open for a week and then closed. Up to you guys, but no more of it in this thread please.

Also, it is my personal opinion that someone wanting to pump out this information, should be doing so under their real name. Do you intend to reveal who you are any time soon, Zangarathepatsy?

As for the substance of this thread... too much to address but just some things that stand out...

On Rabin being in Dealey Plaza... here is what his wife actually wrote:

"To have just returned for the United States and for Yitzhak to have been in Dallas just hours before-albeit as mere coincidence; Fort Bliss was a stop on his military briefing tour-was disorienting."

She seems to associate Fort Bliss with being in or near Dallas, whereas a quick look at a map shows it's actually near El Paso. My guess therefore is, he was never in Dallas - but El Paso. In any case, Dealey Plaza is someone else putting words in her mouth and being repeated until accepted by the gullible and those seeking to conform biases.

Hank was not real big on providing citations. I'll wait and see what his book looks like before commenting further on that aspect, except to say that he used my material in past books without attribution. 

While I was pissed at Hank for his lack of honesty in attribution, I am also suspicious of some of his  unsourced or vaguely sourced claims. But Ganis makes him look like a Rhodes Scholar and a Fount of Integrity by comparison. 

Your ID of people in Dealey Plaza is opinion not fact.

Your pointing out that people have people who look like them is a well-established phenomenon often used to add spice to conspiracy noodle soup.   

Ferrie was the short heavy-set Tippit Killer? That is some mutherfuckin disguise Ferrie got into then because he was over 6' tall in real life. You must be thinking of Joe Pesci, the 5' 4" actor Stone had playing him? Have you checked where Pesci was that day?

"Beauboeuf matches the description provided by William Whaley" You mean the person you claim was Beauboeuf?

Here is Whaley's description of his passenger: 

Mr. WHALEY. When you drive a taxi that long you learn to judge people and what I actually thought of the man when he got in was that he was a wino who had been off his bottle for about two days, that is the way he looked, sir, that was my opinion of him.
Mr. BALL. What was there about his appearance that gave you that impression? Hair mussed?
Mr. WHALEY. Just the slow way he walked up. He didn't talk. He wasn't in any hurry. He wasn't nervous or anything.
Mr. BALL. He didn't run?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did he look dirty?
Mr. WHALEY. He looked like his clothes had been slept in,
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Whaley's passenger was a wino who had been out drinking for a couple of days and nights and had been sleeping in his clothes. He apparently lived on the 500 block (or was it the 700 block?) - that is all you can draw from Whaley's testimony. Oswald never caught cabs. He saved his money for his family. What kind of person without much money catches cabs? Winos - because they are simply living in the moment.

You are of course, welcome to post your opinions here, but if they are all as similarly ill-conceived, they will soon by demolished. If you prefer having agreement by like-minds, I'd suggest the JFK Education Forum or the Deep Politics forum would be the place to head. As an added bonus, those forums attract more traffic than we do here, so you'll have more eyes on your work.

I apologise t you Greg for stooping t personal insults.
Of course I'll respect your wishes and discontinue this discussion.
I apologise if I overstepped the mark.
I'd prefer not t have anymore t do with mr Pasty.
I disrespect his sources, his intentions and I'm afraid t say his mind too.
Perhaps i wasn't too clear and perhaps i wasn't particularly eloquent and i wasn't particularly wanting a debate on the subject either.
I merely requested he elaborate a little regarding his claims.
I was under the impression Rabin served in the military, becoming the chief of staff in 64. I'd never heard of him serving in the Mossad, much less being it's chief.
As for the Ganis book and the claims of Skorzeny being in Dealey Plaza..well quite simply the claims are nonsense and the book is little more than a collection of meaningless ephemera spiced up with lots and lots of wild eyed " theorising"
As the lady Yeti said t Bill Miller behind the Saskatchewan Sanibel A Go Go Relic Hominid Discotheque..
" My lips are now sealed"

alex wilson wrote:I apologise t you Greg for stooping t personal insults.
Of course I'll respect your wishes and discontinue this discussion.
I apologise if I overstepped the mark.
I'd prefer not t have anymore t do with mr Pasty.
I disrespect his sources, his intentions and I'm afraid t say his mind too.
Perhaps i wasn't too clear and perhaps i wasn't particularly eloquent and i wasn't particularly wanting a debate on the subject either.
I merely requested he elaborate a little regarding his claims.
I was under the impression Rabin served in the military, becoming the chief of staff in 64. I'd never heard of him serving in the Mossad, much less being it's chief.
As for the Ganis book and the claims of Skorzeny being in Dealey Plaza..well quite simply the claims are nonsense and the book is little more than a collection of meaningless ephemera spiced up with lots and lots of wild eyed " theorising"
As the lady Yeti said t Bill Miller behind the Saskatchewan Sanibel A Go Go Relic Hominid Discotheque..
" My lips are now sealed"

I know it is something you feel very strongly about and I fully expected you to jump in with actual facts. This was more about stopping the thread being derailed. By the same token, a Holocaust debate with both sides given fair and equal opportunity to ask and answer questions without being heckled from the stands would have been a public service, as it rarely happens.

There is a name mentioned by zapatsy who is of at least of some interest to me - apart from Ferrie that is. I wanted to see where that mention was going, if anywhere.

zangarathepatsy wrote:Oh yeah, I put many documents and a documentary I made about the assassination at my website. I don't really advertise my site, its more for me to log things for my own future reference, but its somewhat presentable for visitors. 

https://thegrassyknoll.report

FWIW, your website design looks good and some of the content looks interesting, but some internal links wouldn't work for me. I note the youtube video was made under the name "Core Hughes". Another alias?

The books you used as source material for the youtube piece are frankly pretty crappy. But hey, they confirm your biases, so all good on that front.

Understood Greg.
And I apologise again for my intemperate language.
It's a subject I feel very strongly about and I'm afraid my posts were a reflexive emotional response.
I honestly didn't mean t hijack the thread...i was enquiring about sources...
Although i cannot deny the inverted commas around the word Holocaust made me more than a little suspicious.
IMHO it's more of the standard conspiracy dross.
Poorly researched unsourced agenda driven faux propogandising.
You're right not t ban him or delete his posts..
Damn them not by silence let them damn themselves with their own words.
Don't feed their persecution complexes..censorship might well encourage some less informed individuals t believe there's something worth censoring
I'm with Raul Hilberg..let the deniers speak. Silence only enhances their credibility...the spotlight on the other hand will expose them for what they are..
Joe Pesci in Oak Cliff? I think this is a job for the John Butler trio and Sanibel Island's very own pink sandalled genius detective..
Find out where Joe was.on Nov 2*nd..Tommy Lee Jones too..and Gary Oldman...
Sarah Stanton? No fucking way!!
It was Sissy Spacek auditioning for her role in Carrie!
" Hey Buell does my dress look bloody?"

This is why I don't participate in forums. Every one of the rebuttals to was I have said, is complete nonsense. You fucking idiots have been going in circles for 60 years debating absolute bullshit like who is Prayer Man, or was Oswald CIA. Seriously fuck all of you, you deserve each other. I solved this thing in 7 months, and my work has been confirmed by people you know and respect and have quoted on these forums. You fucks don't even know the basics, like who was Sam Ruby, how did Hank Greenspun affect the assassination, or anything about the relationship between Dulles and Gehlen. My posts are clear, dated, and screens hotted for documentation, so when any of you schmucks tries to steal my work, I have proof of where it came from. Anyone who thinks what they are doing here is real research, is a fucking idiot. You are being misled by CIA trolls and ignorant fucks like dipshit above. I have photos of Lafitte and Skorzeny in Dealey plaza. This was confirmed to me by 2 researchers with books on the subject that all of you know. SO thanks for keeping your dogs on a leash. And Seriously go fuck yourselves. Im not going to waste my research on you fucks. And EVERY word I have said is completely verifiable if you actually do research, and not circle jerk with trolls.

zangarathepatsy wrote:This is why I don't participate in forums. Every one of the rebuttals to was I have said, is complete nonsense. You fucking idiots have been going in circles for 60 years debating absolute bullshit like who is Prayer Man, or was Oswald CIA. Seriously fuck all of you, you deserve each other. I solved this thing in 7 months, and my work has been confirmed by people you know and respect and have quoted on these forums. You fucks don't even know the basics, like who was Sam Ruby, how did Hank Greenspun affect the assassination, or anything about the relationship between Dulles and Gehlen. My posts are clear, dated, and screens hotted for documentation, so when any of you schmucks tries to steal my work, I have proof of where it came from. Anyone who thinks what they are doing here is real research, is a fucking idiot. You are being misled by CIA trolls and ignorant fucks like dipshit above. I have photos of Lafitte and Skorzeny in Dealey plaza. This was confirmed to me by 2 researchers with books on the subject that all of you know. SO thanks for keeping your dogs on a leash. And Seriously go fuck yourselves. Im not going to waste my research on you fucks. And EVERY word I have said is completely verifiable if you actually do research, and not circle jerk with trolls.

This sentence underlines how seriously slack, flawed, lacking and irresponsible your "research" is. 

 "David Ferrie was the short heavy set man with frizzy hair that fired the last shot into Tippit's head. "

You have woven together a nice story that sounded superficially credible enough to fool Rob for his podcast. Hopefully he has since come to his senses.

The WC, Armstrong and many others have also made claims that sound plausible but do not stand up to scrutiny.

That is the real reason you and like-minded souls are scared shitless of anyone looking at the little details. They blow apart your "big picture" fantasies. There is a reason why people say that is where the Devil resides.

Go and post at the Deep Politics Forum. They gobble this shit and ask for more. Seriously. They will hail you as the New Savior.

You've outed yourself zman. Only like minded mutton heads would read your shit and be positively impressed. Not that I'm not impressed, it's just that it's in very negative way. Please vacate this forum, then go **** yourself.

zangarathepatsy wrote:This is why I don't participate in forums. Every one of the rebuttals to was I have said, is complete nonsense. You fucking idiots have been going in circles for 60 years debating absolute bullshit like who is Prayer Man, or was Oswald CIA. Seriously fuck all of you, you deserve each other. I solved this thing in 7 months, and my work has been confirmed by people you know and respect and have quoted on these forums. You fucks don't even know the basics, like who was Sam Ruby, how did Hank Greenspun affect the assassination, or anything about the relationship between Dulles and Gehlen. My posts are clear, dated, and screens hotted for documentation, so when any of you schmucks tries to steal my work, I have proof of where it came from. Anyone who thinks what they are doing here is real research, is a fucking idiot. You are being misled by CIA trolls and ignorant fucks like dipshit above. I have photos of Lafitte and Skorzeny in Dealey plaza. This was confirmed to me by 2 researchers with books on the subject that all of you know. SO thanks for keeping your dogs on a leash. And Seriously go fuck yourselves. Im not going to waste my research on you fucks. And EVERY word I have said is completely verifiable if you actually do research, and not circle jerk with trolls.

Yep...definitely a resident of Sanibel...the place seems to attract them.

This from a fellow basement dweller...


If I'm not mistaken the rearing of the CIA double Oswald was done in the US by Hungarian immigrant parents...

This was all easily within nascent sperm experiment cutting edge ability...

The idea was to create identical twin doubles designed for espionage penetration of the Soviet Union...

Only the narrow-minded don't realize this...