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Thu 28 May 2020, 12:45 am
https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Essay_-_Oswald_Legend_Preface.html

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Fri 05 Jun 2020, 6:53 am
This is a great series. Does anyone know how to get a hold of Bill S? The prologue has a link to chapter 1 and then there's no more links to the next chapters. I had to change the URL number to advance. Then I couldn't get to the epilogue.

There's also some ***BILL - LINK DOES NOT WORK **** notes on some of the pages that need to be fixed.
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Fri 05 Jun 2020, 5:56 pm
It is at Mary Ferrell so get in touch with them.

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Sat 13 Jun 2020, 1:25 pm
JFK Case wrote:This is a great series. Does anyone know how to get a hold of Bill S? The prologue has a link to chapter 1 and then there's no more links to the next chapters. I had to change the URL number to advance. Then I couldn't get to the epilogue.

There's also some ***BILL - LINK DOES NOT WORK **** notes on some of the pages that need to be fixed.
Through FB would be the easiest.

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Mon 15 Jun 2020, 10:53 pm
Thanks Greg I actually had his email address but can't find it. Will see if I can reach out to him via FBM.
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Sun 12 Jul 2020, 2:12 am
I think the links and everything else is now are - any other comments let me know at bsimpich@gmail.com
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Sun 12 Jul 2020, 2:32 am
Thanks Bill.

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Sun 12 Jul 2020, 2:37 am
Vinny,

Have you seen this document?
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40395&search=sara_sarah+AND+EMPLOYEE+AND+BOOK+AND+DEPOSITORY#relPageId=27&tab=page

I don't know the best sites on prayer man - and I think Mary Ferrell's work should be checked for accuracy - but wanted to know if this document was in the conversation.  There are neighboring documents on the elevators and like that should also be of interest.
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Sun 12 Jul 2020, 4:53 am
Mr Simpich,
                      Its a great pleasure to see you here . I too found your book , and your painstaking methodical  research, most illuminating. If I'm not very much mistaken your work has helped unravel one of the most devious devilish strands of the entire assassination mystery. That makes the Gordian knot look like a knitting pattern.
Leaving aside the question of " sponsorship" I think you made a very compelling case for Oswald's records being suborned and used as part of a " marked card" operation.
This would help explain a lot of the apparent anomalies.
Your idea of the conspirators " piggybacking" on a legitimate operation also makes a great deal of sense.
If I was to speculate Oswald was recruited, possibly in New Orleans, for perhaps what could be termed semi official defector programme run out of Angletons shop, with logistical support from the Soviet Russia desk.
After Philbys treachery ensured all the current and scheduled operations were at least under suspicion of being compromised, this defector programme might have been an improvisation.
Although the CIA, thanks to the U2 and with the development of satellite coverage knew how many thanks/ planes/ missiles the Soviets possessed their humint sources were virtually negibile.
Apart from Penkovsky( to a limited extent) they never really developed, nord indeed had they the capabilities TO develop( Penkovsky eventually was run by the British, the wife of a consular officer acting as his contact) a real high level humint source with insight into strategic thinking at Kremlin level.
It's reasonable to speculate a defector programme was a low risk method of at least getting some eyes on the ground behind the Curtain.
I believe Oswald was recruited primarily due to his linguistic capability.
Having grown up around university level Russian speakers/ lecturers and knowing a llittle Russian myself I can assure you that it's perfectly possible for someone with the requisite talent and motivation to teach themselves Russian.
Colonel Folsoms testimony and Rosaleen Quinn's aunt indicate to me that he was being prepared for such a mission.
Greg's Asperger's hypothesis may well help to further explain  his recruitment. The quirks that would have made him attractive to US intelligence.
Made this anonymous Marine private stand out from the olive drab masses.
He was nowhere near a native speaker. Just by listening to him speak English; his word choices and more importantly  how he formed his sentences.
The native speaker angle is, in my opinion, a red herring.
Oswald wasn't being sent to infiltrate the Soviet Union. He wasn't expected to blend in. He was in the Soviet Union as an American defector.
In fact we're trying to piece together a more detailed, realistic and coherent picture of his time in the Soviet Union.
Sans the spy fiction elements.
Its perfectly possible, due to the semi official highly sensitive nature the Oswald files were tightly held . When you consider Angletons infamous paranoia  and personal relationship with Philby, it's highly probable this file could have been used as bait for the high level traitor Angleton believed had penetrated the Agency 
Maybe this might help explain Otto Otepkas virtual persecution.
It's not  too incredible to picture a scenario of high level conspirators piggybacking the plot on any semi official fun and games  down Mexico way. Wrapping the thin silvery silken web like strands spiderlike round what would appear to be a perfectly innocuous intelligence operation. 
However Nikolai Leonov being involved stretches credulity way past the breaking point.
The diplomatic community is a small incestuous world. To imagine the KGB, Cubans or whoever would dispatch a Soviet consular officer to the Embassy of an ally posing as an American malcontent... we're venturing into the long grass here 
It also stretches credulity that a 19 year old girl could drift about cocktail parties and diplomatic soirées in late 50s Soviet Russia, hobnobbing with ambassadors and American defectors.
Just how far past the point of credulity is brought into stark focus when you consult the Soviet Union's criminal code 
Included in the infamous section 58 ( counter revolutionary sabotage etc) is the specific crime of " Excessively praising American democracy"  if you were unlucky enough to be caught praising( excessively or not) American democracy you would face a 10 year sentence.
Stalin died in 1953 and the short lived thaw was already icing over . having ANYTHING to do with foreigners was an absolute taboo.
Your work was an invaluable step in the right direction.
Im on holiday for the next fortnight or so, but if you check the in house section you'll find an outline of what we're working on.
I only ask you to keep it " in house" for the moment, until further work has been done

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Sun 12 Jul 2020, 9:27 am
Bill Simpich wrote:Vinny,

Have you seen this document?
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40395&search=sara_sarah+AND+EMPLOYEE+AND+BOOK+AND+DEPOSITORY#relPageId=27&tab=page

I don't know the best sites on prayer man - and I think Mary Ferrell's work should be checked for accuracy - but wanted to know if this document was in the conversation.  There are neighboring documents on the elevators and like that should also be of interest.
Bill, aside from the 12 witnesses mentioned in the document, there is an additional unidentified male present in the doorway as captured by Darnell and Weigman. He's real. He's there.




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Sun 12 Jul 2020, 7:32 pm
Bill Simpich wrote:Vinny,

Have you seen this document?
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40395&search=sara_sarah+AND+EMPLOYEE+AND+BOOK+AND+DEPOSITORY#relPageId=27&tab=page

I don't know the best sites on prayer man - and I think Mary Ferrell's work should be checked for accuracy - but wanted to know if this document was in the conversation.  There are neighboring documents on the elevators and like that should also be of interest.

Thanks Bill. I had not seen that document before. As for Prayer Man here are some good links.

http://www.prayer-man.com/

http://prayermanleeharveyoswald.blogspot.com/

http://22november1963.org.uk/prayer-man-jfk-assassination

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/20354-oswald-leaving-tsbd/

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