The twelve that built the Oswald legend
+3
greg_parker
JFK_Case
barto
7 posters
The twelve that built the Oswald legend
Thu 28 May 2020, 12:45 am
https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Essay_-_Oswald_Legend_Preface.html
_________________
Prayer Man: More Than a Fuzzy Picture (E-)Book @ Amazon.
Prayer-Man.com
- JFK_Case
- Posts : 233
Join date : 2019-02-13
Re: The twelve that built the Oswald legend
Fri 05 Jun 2020, 6:53 am
This is a great series. Does anyone know how to get a hold of Bill S? The prologue has a link to chapter 1 and then there's no more links to the next chapters. I had to change the URL number to advance. Then I couldn't get to the epilogue.
There's also some ***BILL - LINK DOES NOT WORK **** notes on some of the pages that need to be fixed.
There's also some ***BILL - LINK DOES NOT WORK **** notes on some of the pages that need to be fixed.
Re: The twelve that built the Oswald legend
Fri 05 Jun 2020, 5:56 pm
It is at Mary Ferrell so get in touch with them.
_________________
Prayer Man: More Than a Fuzzy Picture (E-)Book @ Amazon.
Prayer-Man.com
Re: The twelve that built the Oswald legend
Sat 13 Jun 2020, 1:25 pm
Through FB would be the easiest.JFK Case wrote:This is a great series. Does anyone know how to get a hold of Bill S? The prologue has a link to chapter 1 and then there's no more links to the next chapters. I had to change the URL number to advance. Then I couldn't get to the epilogue.
There's also some ***BILL - LINK DOES NOT WORK **** notes on some of the pages that need to be fixed.
_________________
Australians don't mind criminals: It's successful bullshit artists we despise.
Lachie Hulme
-----------------------------
The Cold War ran on bullshit.
Me
"So what’s an independent-minded populist like me to do? I’ve had to grovel in promoting myself on social media, even begging for Amazon reviews and Goodreads ratings, to no avail." Don Jeffries
"I've been aware of Greg Parker's work for years, and strongly recommend it." Peter Dale Scott
https://gregrparker.com
- JFK_Case
- Posts : 233
Join date : 2019-02-13
Re: The twelve that built the Oswald legend
Mon 15 Jun 2020, 10:53 pm
Thanks Greg I actually had his email address but can't find it. Will see if I can reach out to him via FBM.
- Bill Simpich
- Posts : 11
Join date : 2009-11-27
Re: The twelve that built the Oswald legend
Sun 12 Jul 2020, 2:12 am
I think the links and everything else is now are - any other comments let me know at bsimpich@gmail.com
- Vinny
- Posts : 3409
Join date : 2013-08-27
Re: The twelve that built the Oswald legend
Sun 12 Jul 2020, 2:32 am
Thanks Bill.
_________________
Out With Bill Shelley In Front.
- Bill Simpich
- Posts : 11
Join date : 2009-11-27
Re: The twelve that built the Oswald legend
Sun 12 Jul 2020, 2:37 am
Vinny,
Have you seen this document?
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40395&search=sara_sarah+AND+EMPLOYEE+AND+BOOK+AND+DEPOSITORY#relPageId=27&tab=page
I don't know the best sites on prayer man - and I think Mary Ferrell's work should be checked for accuracy - but wanted to know if this document was in the conversation. There are neighboring documents on the elevators and like that should also be of interest.
Have you seen this document?
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40395&search=sara_sarah+AND+EMPLOYEE+AND+BOOK+AND+DEPOSITORY#relPageId=27&tab=page
I don't know the best sites on prayer man - and I think Mary Ferrell's work should be checked for accuracy - but wanted to know if this document was in the conversation. There are neighboring documents on the elevators and like that should also be of interest.
- alex_wilson
- Posts : 1333
Join date : 2019-04-10
Re: The twelve that built the Oswald legend
Sun 12 Jul 2020, 4:53 am
Mr Simpich,
Its a great pleasure to see you here . I too found your book , and your painstaking methodical research, most illuminating. If I'm not very much mistaken your work has helped unravel one of the most devious devilish strands of the entire assassination mystery. That makes the Gordian knot look like a knitting pattern.
Leaving aside the question of " sponsorship" I think you made a very compelling case for Oswald's records being suborned and used as part of a " marked card" operation.
This would help explain a lot of the apparent anomalies.
Your idea of the conspirators " piggybacking" on a legitimate operation also makes a great deal of sense.
If I was to speculate Oswald was recruited, possibly in New Orleans, for perhaps what could be termed semi official defector programme run out of Angletons shop, with logistical support from the Soviet Russia desk.
After Philbys treachery ensured all the current and scheduled operations were at least under suspicion of being compromised, this defector programme might have been an improvisation.
Although the CIA, thanks to the U2 and with the development of satellite coverage knew how many thanks/ planes/ missiles the Soviets possessed their humint sources were virtually negibile.
Apart from Penkovsky( to a limited extent) they never really developed, nord indeed had they the capabilities TO develop( Penkovsky eventually was run by the British, the wife of a consular officer acting as his contact) a real high level humint source with insight into strategic thinking at Kremlin level.
It's reasonable to speculate a defector programme was a low risk method of at least getting some eyes on the ground behind the Curtain.
I believe Oswald was recruited primarily due to his linguistic capability.
Having grown up around university level Russian speakers/ lecturers and knowing a llittle Russian myself I can assure you that it's perfectly possible for someone with the requisite talent and motivation to teach themselves Russian.
Colonel Folsoms testimony and Rosaleen Quinn's aunt indicate to me that he was being prepared for such a mission.
Greg's Asperger's hypothesis may well help to further explain his recruitment. The quirks that would have made him attractive to US intelligence.
Made this anonymous Marine private stand out from the olive drab masses.
He was nowhere near a native speaker. Just by listening to him speak English; his word choices and more importantly how he formed his sentences.
The native speaker angle is, in my opinion, a red herring.
Oswald wasn't being sent to infiltrate the Soviet Union. He wasn't expected to blend in. He was in the Soviet Union as an American defector.
In fact we're trying to piece together a more detailed, realistic and coherent picture of his time in the Soviet Union.
Sans the spy fiction elements.
Its perfectly possible, due to the semi official highly sensitive nature the Oswald files were tightly held . When you consider Angletons infamous paranoia and personal relationship with Philby, it's highly probable this file could have been used as bait for the high level traitor Angleton believed had penetrated the Agency
Maybe this might help explain Otto Otepkas virtual persecution.
It's not too incredible to picture a scenario of high level conspirators piggybacking the plot on any semi official fun and games down Mexico way. Wrapping the thin silvery silken web like strands spiderlike round what would appear to be a perfectly innocuous intelligence operation.
However Nikolai Leonov being involved stretches credulity way past the breaking point.
The diplomatic community is a small incestuous world. To imagine the KGB, Cubans or whoever would dispatch a Soviet consular officer to the Embassy of an ally posing as an American malcontent... we're venturing into the long grass here
It also stretches credulity that a 19 year old girl could drift about cocktail parties and diplomatic soirées in late 50s Soviet Russia, hobnobbing with ambassadors and American defectors.
Just how far past the point of credulity is brought into stark focus when you consult the Soviet Union's criminal code
Included in the infamous section 58 ( counter revolutionary sabotage etc) is the specific crime of " Excessively praising American democracy" if you were unlucky enough to be caught praising( excessively or not) American democracy you would face a 10 year sentence.
Stalin died in 1953 and the short lived thaw was already icing over . having ANYTHING to do with foreigners was an absolute taboo.
Your work was an invaluable step in the right direction.
Im on holiday for the next fortnight or so, but if you check the in house section you'll find an outline of what we're working on.
I only ask you to keep it " in house" for the moment, until further work has been done
Its a great pleasure to see you here . I too found your book , and your painstaking methodical research, most illuminating. If I'm not very much mistaken your work has helped unravel one of the most devious devilish strands of the entire assassination mystery. That makes the Gordian knot look like a knitting pattern.
Leaving aside the question of " sponsorship" I think you made a very compelling case for Oswald's records being suborned and used as part of a " marked card" operation.
This would help explain a lot of the apparent anomalies.
Your idea of the conspirators " piggybacking" on a legitimate operation also makes a great deal of sense.
If I was to speculate Oswald was recruited, possibly in New Orleans, for perhaps what could be termed semi official defector programme run out of Angletons shop, with logistical support from the Soviet Russia desk.
After Philbys treachery ensured all the current and scheduled operations were at least under suspicion of being compromised, this defector programme might have been an improvisation.
Although the CIA, thanks to the U2 and with the development of satellite coverage knew how many thanks/ planes/ missiles the Soviets possessed their humint sources were virtually negibile.
Apart from Penkovsky( to a limited extent) they never really developed, nord indeed had they the capabilities TO develop( Penkovsky eventually was run by the British, the wife of a consular officer acting as his contact) a real high level humint source with insight into strategic thinking at Kremlin level.
It's reasonable to speculate a defector programme was a low risk method of at least getting some eyes on the ground behind the Curtain.
I believe Oswald was recruited primarily due to his linguistic capability.
Having grown up around university level Russian speakers/ lecturers and knowing a llittle Russian myself I can assure you that it's perfectly possible for someone with the requisite talent and motivation to teach themselves Russian.
Colonel Folsoms testimony and Rosaleen Quinn's aunt indicate to me that he was being prepared for such a mission.
Greg's Asperger's hypothesis may well help to further explain his recruitment. The quirks that would have made him attractive to US intelligence.
Made this anonymous Marine private stand out from the olive drab masses.
He was nowhere near a native speaker. Just by listening to him speak English; his word choices and more importantly how he formed his sentences.
The native speaker angle is, in my opinion, a red herring.
Oswald wasn't being sent to infiltrate the Soviet Union. He wasn't expected to blend in. He was in the Soviet Union as an American defector.
In fact we're trying to piece together a more detailed, realistic and coherent picture of his time in the Soviet Union.
Sans the spy fiction elements.
Its perfectly possible, due to the semi official highly sensitive nature the Oswald files were tightly held . When you consider Angletons infamous paranoia and personal relationship with Philby, it's highly probable this file could have been used as bait for the high level traitor Angleton believed had penetrated the Agency
Maybe this might help explain Otto Otepkas virtual persecution.
It's not too incredible to picture a scenario of high level conspirators piggybacking the plot on any semi official fun and games down Mexico way. Wrapping the thin silvery silken web like strands spiderlike round what would appear to be a perfectly innocuous intelligence operation.
However Nikolai Leonov being involved stretches credulity way past the breaking point.
The diplomatic community is a small incestuous world. To imagine the KGB, Cubans or whoever would dispatch a Soviet consular officer to the Embassy of an ally posing as an American malcontent... we're venturing into the long grass here
It also stretches credulity that a 19 year old girl could drift about cocktail parties and diplomatic soirées in late 50s Soviet Russia, hobnobbing with ambassadors and American defectors.
Just how far past the point of credulity is brought into stark focus when you consult the Soviet Union's criminal code
Included in the infamous section 58 ( counter revolutionary sabotage etc) is the specific crime of " Excessively praising American democracy" if you were unlucky enough to be caught praising( excessively or not) American democracy you would face a 10 year sentence.
Stalin died in 1953 and the short lived thaw was already icing over . having ANYTHING to do with foreigners was an absolute taboo.
Your work was an invaluable step in the right direction.
Im on holiday for the next fortnight or so, but if you check the in house section you'll find an outline of what we're working on.
I only ask you to keep it " in house" for the moment, until further work has been done
_________________
A fez! A fez! My kingdom for a fez!!
The last words of King Richard HARVEY Plantagenet III
Bosworth Field 1485
Is that a doppelganger in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me?
Artist, poet, polymath, cancer research prodigy Judyth Vary Baker's first words to Lee HARVEY Oswald. New Orleans April 1963
For every HARVEY there must be an equal and opposite LEE
Professor Sandy Isaac Newton Laverne Shirley Fonzie Larsen's
Famous 1st Law of Doppelganging
" To answer your question I ALWAYS look for mundane reasons for seeming anomalies before considering sinister explanations. Only a fool would do otherwise. And I'm no fool" The esteemed Professor Larsen From his soon to be published self help book " The Trough of Enlightenment "( Trine Day Foreword Vince Palamara)
" Once you prove Davidson's woman's face then Stanton's breasts follow naturally " Brian Doyle
- steely_dan
- Posts : 2292
Join date : 2014-08-03
Age : 61
Re: The twelve that built the Oswald legend
Sun 12 Jul 2020, 9:27 am
Bill, aside from the 12 witnesses mentioned in the document, there is an additional unidentified male present in the doorway as captured by Darnell and Weigman. He's real. He's there.Bill Simpich wrote:Vinny,
Have you seen this document?
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40395&search=sara_sarah+AND+EMPLOYEE+AND+BOOK+AND+DEPOSITORY#relPageId=27&tab=page
I don't know the best sites on prayer man - and I think Mary Ferrell's work should be checked for accuracy - but wanted to know if this document was in the conversation. There are neighboring documents on the elevators and like that should also be of interest.
_________________
You ain't gonna know what you learn if you knew it.......
Checkmate.
- Vinny
- Posts : 3409
Join date : 2013-08-27
Re: The twelve that built the Oswald legend
Sun 12 Jul 2020, 7:32 pm
Bill Simpich wrote:Vinny,
Have you seen this document?
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40395&search=sara_sarah+AND+EMPLOYEE+AND+BOOK+AND+DEPOSITORY#relPageId=27&tab=page
I don't know the best sites on prayer man - and I think Mary Ferrell's work should be checked for accuracy - but wanted to know if this document was in the conversation. There are neighboring documents on the elevators and like that should also be of interest.
Thanks Bill. I had not seen that document before. As for Prayer Man here are some good links.
http://www.prayer-man.com/
http://prayermanleeharveyoswald.blogspot.com/
http://22november1963.org.uk/prayer-man-jfk-assassination
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/20354-oswald-leaving-tsbd/
_________________
Out With Bill Shelley In Front.
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum