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David Butler- Posts : 19
Join date : 2020-08-23
The “Frenchy” Tramp
Thu 04 Feb 2021, 3:08 am
While looking up info about Jean Souetre and some of the assassination attempts on De Gaulle brought me to this French site.
Clicking around the various pages out of interest I came across this one on a man who was involved in the Operation Chamois planned attempt on De Gaulle. What caught my eye is the first photo is one of the tramp photo’s from Dealey Plaza just after the assassination of JFK. I think it is reversed from the original picture but it’s definitely from Dealey Plaza on 22/11/1963.
It could well be someone trolling but I thought it was kind of interesting in the context and thought I would share if anyone else is interested.
His name seems to be spelled differently around places - Légionnaire Henri SLEBODJA - Henri or Hick SLEBODJA - Henri SLEBIODA
http://deltas-collines.org/galerie/HENRISLEBODJA
The same photo also appears on the page for Operation Chamois itself
http://deltas-collines.org/galerie/CHAMOIS
Clicking around the various pages out of interest I came across this one on a man who was involved in the Operation Chamois planned attempt on De Gaulle. What caught my eye is the first photo is one of the tramp photo’s from Dealey Plaza just after the assassination of JFK. I think it is reversed from the original picture but it’s definitely from Dealey Plaza on 22/11/1963.
It could well be someone trolling but I thought it was kind of interesting in the context and thought I would share if anyone else is interested.
His name seems to be spelled differently around places - Légionnaire Henri SLEBODJA - Henri or Hick SLEBODJA - Henri SLEBIODA
http://deltas-collines.org/galerie/HENRISLEBODJA
The same photo also appears on the page for Operation Chamois itself
http://deltas-collines.org/galerie/CHAMOIS
- Steve Thomas
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Re: The “Frenchy” Tramp
Thu 04 Feb 2021, 4:14 am
David Butler wrote:While looking up info about Jean Souetre and some of the assassination attempts on De Gaulle brought me to this French site.
It could well be someone trolling but I thought it was kind of interesting in the context and thought I would share if anyone else is interested.
David,
I don't know why someone stuck the Tramp picture in that website about Operation Chamois, but if the picture in the Paris Presse really is a picture of Henri, they don't look anything alike.
I've studied Souetre a lot, if you have any questions, I might be able to help.
Steve Thomas
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Re: The “Frenchy” Tramp
Thu 04 Feb 2021, 12:07 pm
I agree. Not him. There is a tendency with some to identify people in photos by thinking of the person it most looks like (at least to them). It is a quick jump from there to "it's him". That's a similar problem to line-ups - witnesses picking the person who most resembles the person they saw.Steve Thomas wrote:David Butler wrote:While looking up info about Jean Souetre and some of the assassination attempts on De Gaulle brought me to this French site.
It could well be someone trolling but I thought it was kind of interesting in the context and thought I would share if anyone else is interested.
David,
I don't know why someone stuck the Tramp picture in that website about Operation Chamois, but if the picture in the Paris Presse really is a picture of Henri, they don't look anything alike.
I've studied Souetre a lot, if you have any questions, I might be able to help.
Steve Thomas
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Re: The “Frenchy” Tramp
Fri 05 Feb 2021, 11:13 pm
There is a tendency with some to identify people in photos by thinking of the person it most looks like (at least to them). It is a quick jump from there to "it's him". That's a similar problem to line-ups - witnesses picking the person who most resembles the person they saw.
That is so true. Back in the 1960s, my teenage self and two pals were walking home from the pub in my home town of Barry, South Wales. It was around 11 pm, and we were crossing a park when suddenly we were grabbed by a dozen or so cops. They threw us in a van, drove at speed to the bottom of a nearby hill, hauled us out and stood us next to a stolen car that had crashed into a lamp post. They lined us up on the pavement, and half a dozen locals standing opposite yelled, 'It's them!'
At the police station we were searched and interrogated into the early hours. Turns out the car had been stolen from a pub car park at the other end of town, but the fact that we'd been somewhere else entirely didn't seem to interest them.
When I pointed out that none of us could even drive, the response was "Neither could whoever stole the car."
It was classic Reid technique.
Eventually, a barmaid from the pub the car had been stolen from stuck her head round the door, looked at us and shook her head. "It's not them."
So they had no choice but to let us go, albeit on police bail and with a warning that we were still their 'prime suspects.'
The local police back then had a lot in common with the DPD of 1963. It was a tough town, and so were the cops. Beatings and corruption were rife. But the scariest thing was their lack of interest in whether or not we had done the crime. It was all about making it stick.
Thankfully, we never heard any more of it. Poor Lee Oswald wasn't so lucky.
That is so true. Back in the 1960s, my teenage self and two pals were walking home from the pub in my home town of Barry, South Wales. It was around 11 pm, and we were crossing a park when suddenly we were grabbed by a dozen or so cops. They threw us in a van, drove at speed to the bottom of a nearby hill, hauled us out and stood us next to a stolen car that had crashed into a lamp post. They lined us up on the pavement, and half a dozen locals standing opposite yelled, 'It's them!'
At the police station we were searched and interrogated into the early hours. Turns out the car had been stolen from a pub car park at the other end of town, but the fact that we'd been somewhere else entirely didn't seem to interest them.
When I pointed out that none of us could even drive, the response was "Neither could whoever stole the car."
It was classic Reid technique.
Eventually, a barmaid from the pub the car had been stolen from stuck her head round the door, looked at us and shook her head. "It's not them."
So they had no choice but to let us go, albeit on police bail and with a warning that we were still their 'prime suspects.'
The local police back then had a lot in common with the DPD of 1963. It was a tough town, and so were the cops. Beatings and corruption were rife. But the scariest thing was their lack of interest in whether or not we had done the crime. It was all about making it stick.
Thankfully, we never heard any more of it. Poor Lee Oswald wasn't so lucky.
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Re: The “Frenchy” Tramp
Sat 06 Feb 2021, 2:00 am
Your experience is similar to one of stories from Innocence Project files. Obviously not the same outcome. He spent years in jail for nothing.
There would be a strong psychological aspect to police physically placing someone - anyone at the crime scene for IDing. Most people are going to assume that the police know the person/persons are guilty and that sways what the witnesses say.
Glad that employee saved your hides. I wonder how it would have gone otherwise?
So yes "MAKING IT STICK" could be the motto of so many police forces around the world. There are some horrendous recent cases here. One involving accusations of child abuse that make pizzagate look like a teddy bears picnic. I blogged about it when it first hit the news in 2018, throwing my support in for the accused family, because there were all sorts of red flags. But the media had a field day, with the cops running a trial via feeding them information - including lying about non-existent evidence. They all spent about 6 months in prison awaiting trial before finally getting bail. It took until last year for the case to be thrown out by the prosecutors. It should never have made it to court. The kids - all under 7 were the grandkids of one of the accused. The mother of the kids was estranged from the rest of the family after falling in with a cult. It was the cult who had taught the kids about ritual torture and abuse. They were coached in what to say as revenge against the grandmother who had been trying to get her daughter and grandkids out of the hands of the "religion". Even after it was thrown out on the basis of no physical evidence - which there sure should have been given the claims made - and no other evidence except the word of the kids - later recanted by the eldest - the police unit involved still wanted to keep pursuing the matter.
There would be a strong psychological aspect to police physically placing someone - anyone at the crime scene for IDing. Most people are going to assume that the police know the person/persons are guilty and that sways what the witnesses say.
Glad that employee saved your hides. I wonder how it would have gone otherwise?
So yes "MAKING IT STICK" could be the motto of so many police forces around the world. There are some horrendous recent cases here. One involving accusations of child abuse that make pizzagate look like a teddy bears picnic. I blogged about it when it first hit the news in 2018, throwing my support in for the accused family, because there were all sorts of red flags. But the media had a field day, with the cops running a trial via feeding them information - including lying about non-existent evidence. They all spent about 6 months in prison awaiting trial before finally getting bail. It took until last year for the case to be thrown out by the prosecutors. It should never have made it to court. The kids - all under 7 were the grandkids of one of the accused. The mother of the kids was estranged from the rest of the family after falling in with a cult. It was the cult who had taught the kids about ritual torture and abuse. They were coached in what to say as revenge against the grandmother who had been trying to get her daughter and grandkids out of the hands of the "religion". Even after it was thrown out on the basis of no physical evidence - which there sure should have been given the claims made - and no other evidence except the word of the kids - later recanted by the eldest - the police unit involved still wanted to keep pursuing the matter.
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