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Tue 30 Mar - 3:48
He doesn't know who the person is, so he can't know it isn't Oswald. He is talking about it though, and that's decent of him. I wonder if he would be willing to start a 'go fund me' effort to finance the purchase of the films. He could publicly state that as a matter of simple curiosity regarding the exact circumstances of that day, he would like to know the identities of all the individuals standing there so close to him during those moments. He wouldn't have to say anything about prayer man, LHO or any of it. He simply could say publicly that he would like to identify everyone on the steps from that photographic record. It would be a good way to get some timely publicity for selling his book. Why would the network (is it NBC? I forgot) deny such a simple, harmless request? And when they do deny it, Wes could do something like donate the money to a charity or a cause of his choice.

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It's impossible for any of us to even begin comprehending, much less understanding, the pressure he must have been under. Can you even begin to imagine what it must have felt like? For a gawky kid to suddenly find himself at the centre of one of the centuries greatest psychodramas? 

Caught as he was in the crosshairs of history. In the full unforgiving glare of the spotlight. A spotlight ever ravenous to reveal our hidden selves to the world

I think it's pretty likely be was on the " Reserve Patsy List" .. The Enfield rifle...his most unusual lunchtime arrangements... the mystery of the missing polygraph...

His behaviour that afternoon , hurrying off to see the stepfather, who, by all accounts, he despised, has always intrigued me.

His big sister too; a charter member of the fateful coffee klatch with none other than Madame Ruth Paine, everyone's favourite Quaker Charity Lady...

But then again it's the fool who searches for logic in the innermost chambers of the human soul. We can only speculate what fevered thoughts were whirring through the teenage Buell's mind that day. He didn't seem a very worldly sophisticated sort...who knows what crazy schemes flashed through the dread haze of panic.

All we can do is close our eyes, take a deep breath and thank our God,  our lucky stars or whomever that our teenage selves were never caught in such a predicament.

I think the only viable hope is for someone sympathetic to approach him privately. I don't think someone who's lived with the weight of he's been forced to live with  on his shoulders for nearly 60 years needs any righteous lectures about history.... . Whatever sins he committed, if sins they were, hes already paid for them. 
Just look into those eyes. Those are the eyes of a weary man; a man jaded by decades worth of sleepless dawns. A man whose been forced to confront the terrible secret that lurks behind the garish flutter...

To have his whole life eclipsed by a November afternoon long ago, when his teenage self was hurled into the headlights.

Kudos for having the courage to ask him Greg. Kudos too for your respectful non judgemental tone.

" I don't know 100% who it is, but I know 100% it wasn't Lee Oswald"

Interesting choice of words.

So much for the emphatic claims BWF readily identified the unknown male figure, with the visibly receding hairline as his ex colleague, the late Mrs Stanton.

Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part, but I'm certain he knows. Whats more I think it's been that knowledge, and perhaps just as importantly certain individuals who know he possesses said knowledge , that has been the reason for his sometimes ambiguous, contradictory statements, his careful handling by characters with less than honourable motives, his almost militant reticence around HSCA time...who knows?

Maybe it's just a troll punk thinking troll punk thoughts...

Or maybe not.

I think with the right person, the right circumstances, a gentle tug at his conscience made even gentler by the sympathetic acknowledgement of the great burden he's been forced to carry, perhaps he might be enduced to make a statement. Perhaps one not to be made public until he finally shuffles off this mortal coil...

Again maybe it's just excessively wishful thinking on my part, ; but I can't help thinking part of him wants to talk. Even if it's just admitting that it is Lee...

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Wed 31 Mar - 4:37
Buell seems to be certain of who the PM figure is not. 
He has been quoted as stating in the past that the figure in the Darnell frame " looks like Lovelady but can't be him because he went down by the railyards immediately after the shots". Now he's adamant that the figure cannot be Lee. 

As Jake has noted if he's so sure that he doesn't know who the figure is then how is it possible he would know who the figure is not. 
Buell still has some splainin' to do!


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Good points, guys. I think that it is unlikely that Frazier will identify PM as Lee. He had such a heavy burden to carry for nearly sixty years. I feel pity for him.

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You know this book needs to be torn apart from a research pov...here's a start of a few pages which is just complete and utter bollox. From a timing perspective it is not true!!!

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I find this story quite hard to believe.

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@barto wrote:You know this book needs to be torn apart from a research pov...here's a start what is just complete and utter bollox. From a timing perspective already!!!

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Has anyone here heard this story from Buell before now? I've not seen or heard about this event in the past at least not from the vids, the doco's or any reports or documents available on BWF. Is this new? It seems to be a remarkable story which you'd reckon would have been told many times before now. Possibly it has but I've just not seen it.

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Nice work Colin, what a great movie it is. One of my Fav's.

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Thanks to Goban and Faroe.


Steely Dan on November 28, 2015 at 10:45 PM

Geronimo, I think it was Goban, who first brought this up in the old forums PM thread.

Thanks for the acknowledgment, Steely. My observation about Ball’s interruption of Lovelady was my first post in a JFK forum. That detail may have been previously unnoticed by anyone else because it was only when the Sean Murphy EF Prayer Man debate really took off in 2013 that it became important.


I know I should be doing penance for my recent mega blooper but I can’t help commenting on an article about a recent interview with BW Frazier in the Daily Mail that was posted by Ed Ledoux:



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In the article Frazier is quoted as saying, ‘I stood on the steps at the front of the building and had a good view as the motorcade went passed.(sic)'



The next sentence is: “He wasn't aware of where Oswald was standing and never saw him again that day.”



That sentence clearly implies that Frazier knew that Oswald was standing in or around the TSBD doorway at the time of the assassination but that he didn’t know where exactly he was standing.



That sense is reinforced by the word “again” in the second clause of the sentence. The word “again” clearly implies that Frazier saw Oswald in or around the TSBD doorway around the time the motorcade passed.



Frazier seems to be covering the angles here. He can plausibly claim to not know where exactly Oswald was standing when the motorcade passed by because at that instant, he would be watching the motorcade and be unaware of Oswald’s precise location.



That may also explain why he told the Warren Commission he was standing one step down from the landing rather than at the front edge of the landing as indicated in the Darnell film: by placing himself farther forward than he really was, he was giving himself “plausible deniability” should evidence ever emerge that Oswald was standing in the north west corner of the TSBD doorway and he could claim not to have seen him (Oswald) there.



On three separate occasions over the past two years or so that Frazier has made comments that have a bearing on the Prayer Man issue he has undeniably confirmed, albeit indirectly, that Prayer Man is Oswald.

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Yesterday at 16:03
" Credible researcher" who doesn't post childish trash talk?

" Internet nincompoops" who ignore " correct intelligent evidence"

If I didn't know better I'd think Brian was rehearsing material for a stand up act!!!

For someone who has spent a not inconsiderable part of the last decade plus getting himself banned from practically every assassination related forum/ blog/ FB page for his childish tantrums, and his " research" that could charitably be described as nincompoopish, he's got no sense of irony...

Brian claiming the photo that, Oswald or not, clearly depicts a casually dressed slender male figure, with a dark, visibly receding hairline is in reality a diminutive grey haired 300 lb woman is reminiscent of Cinque claiming Billy Lovelady was really Lee Oswald with a " Loveladyfied" forehead and with " haze and distortion" mysteriously applied to turn Oswald's shirt into the detectable traces of Billy's check shirt...

And to hear one of the few remaining diehards clinging precariously to the poop deck of the half submerged SS Doppelgang, a self proclaimed " credible A team researcher/ genius detective" , who like the good little troofer he is, obediently swallowed the most risible load of poorly conceived snake oil, refer to others as " cultists" is the equivalent of  the eminent Professor Larsen deriding the unbelievers as ideologues, or Fezzo the Fez, arguably the most undiscerning gullible CTwinkie of the lot accusing a " H and L critic" of gullibility...

You couldn't make this up!!!!

But it gets even better!!! The unmitigated gall and irony, not to mention the staggering lack of self awareness , of Brian, someone who has absolutely no demonstrable research ability, historical knowledge, linguistic skills, photoanalytic experience etc etc chiding someone with( presumably) a straight face about credible research not " repeatedly wishing for what the evidence shows"

I've come to the conclusion Brian ( and others) have gravitated towards " deep political research" because it requires no recognisable accreditation...
Any fucking loud mouth can call themselves a " credible expert" and be guaranteed to find a handful of equally vacuous goofballs, who fundamentally share the same warped semi paranoid world view, who'll agree...

It takes absolutely no skill to parrott mindless non sequiturs on Facebook!! 

Any one of us could go to a forum for specialists in particle physics or ancient palimpsests and make an absolute fool of ourselves, while maintaining we're " credible researchers"

For all it's lofty pretensions to free speech and free thinking, the vast majority of the online troofer fraternity are ,by some considerable distance, the most intolerant and restrictive crowd of hypocrites I've ever had the misfortune of encountering.

A person's opinions are not measured by the factual content but by the ideological soundness...

Butler is the most depressing example. His " photo analysis" was rightly derided by Fezzo and co as the embarrassingly amateurish trash it unquestionably is...but the moment he swore fealty to the Janus headed God of all things doppelgangery, he was welcomed into the fold...

Brian too, to a certain extent, was tolerated simply because he was a stout defender of the faith....

Brian's obviously learned something from his " e pal" Jimbo... not a word of apology for misleading everyone about BWF claiming Prayerman was his late colleague Mrs Stanton...

Just more of the same old mumbo jumbo...purses , obese arms, Altgens 6, 

Nevermind the fact half the landing is obstructed by the secret service agents in the foreground...

No, anyone who raised this point is brushed off as an uncredible troll who lacks the requisite skills...

To me it's the ultimate no brainer...

Footage exists that appears to show the accused assassin standing in the doorway at the time of the shots...

A very simple easily verifiable claim that requires no fucking convoluted contortions, mental or physical, no doppelgangers, disembodied foreheads or magical mobile photo alteration trucks lurking in the immediate vicinity.....

To me Prayerman seperates the genuine researchers from the poseurs, the charlatans, the ego starved flotsam carried along on the day glo tide of militant trooferism...

If it turns out not to be Oswald so what? There's nothing possible to loose that hasn't been lost already....with decades of body snatchers on Main Street and other examples of some of the most offensive outre conspiratorial trash conceivable...

Oswald gave his alibi to a police department that, in the intervening years, has become notorious for framing and railroading suspects...

Evidence has emerged that seems to vindicate the original alibi...

Real proveable actionable facts... that brings the case back into the realm of the possible and the rational.

For what may well be the very last time...
Before it vanishes over the horizon and out of living memory...

And how were the few brave souls who understood this  treated? With a shrug of apathy that quickly devolved into the same old same old...competing fantasy scenarios..

I can understand what motivates a David Reitzes...your  average conspiracy believer exists in an airless void, totally detached from reality.. What's worse they don't seem to realise most of the scenarios theyve touted are actually more preposterous than the original Warren Commission lie...

Brian and co are drawn to the subject because it primarily deals in fantasy speculation... It takes zero ability to repeat a load of inane conspiracy cross ad nauseum on Face fucking Book...

I know for certain if I was to engage Brian or Fezzo or anyone of them on a subject I feel reasonably qualified to offer an educated opinion; namely Oswald's Russian language skills, every one of them, who have betrayed zero understanding of either Russian language or culture would brush me off and tell me unequivocally how I was mistaken, and how HARVEY was a native Russian speaker...

That's why I have so much time, and harbour such respect for the core ROKCers here...

Not out of a cult like unthinking sycophancy..but because of the tireless endeavours and the dedication to reach a wholly achievable goal...

One that can actually be measured..

It's all very well rhapsodising about the cleansing power of truth, even if you ignore the rather disconcerting overtones... WHO'S truth exactly?

Or endlessly constructing fantasy visions of an idealised past, and expecting the future to somehow rise phoenix like from it's ashes...

Most of the researchers ive encountered don't have a fucking clue as to what it is they are actually researching... they don't know what to look for...or even what it is they are looking at... They have no real knowledge of history, forensics, nor indeed any of the applicable disciplines...

It's part parlour game , part ego related and a big part is a way to somehow rationalize a world they find deeply unsettling... 

It's got absolutely fuck all to do with history and even less to do with " truth"

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Frazier has been scared silent for decades. The guy has a family and he will never come clean. I guess all talk over the years how Oswald was such a good friend was always BS. Only way to get to the bottom if this is to retain the film or better stills. I was actually wrong about thinking something might happen during the Trump administration. Nothing happened. Nothing will happen from official sources, ever.
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