Peculiarity Of Frame 303

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Peculiarity Of Frame 303

Transfered from:
"Looks like more photo manipulation from H & L Land" thread.


This thread is dedicated to frame 303 and its bracketed frames 302 and 304.

SEE 1



I use the Combined Edit because its a better product for demonstration and  visual acuity.
If someone can show John's computer has adjusted frame 303 to show no blur, and that frame only vs 304 and 302, please do.
Take 302 and show us Toni Foster deblurred to match limo in foreground.
Take any source of your choice and make this visible transformation

I think we have waited 45 years for such a replication of Zapruder's!

I asked what would we compare the Zapruder Original to.
My answer is "another original" and witnesses statements/testimonies.
Those are best evidence to contrast each other along with the other films and photos taken in DP during the murdercade.

Those whom did attempt to recreate the film shot on a Bell and Howell from the plinth in DP and not one has offered their film as anything but supportive of an anomaly at 303.

It should be easy to post duplicated efforts, images manipulated from an computer, as John Costella might have or is claimed to have by some.
That would be circumstantial but evidentiary.
And...
It is not replicating blur.
Its replicating lack of both fore and background blur while panning at same rate as a moving object.

How is it going to be replicated on 8mm Kodachome film.
Limo is moving.
Zapruder is panning with limo.
Toni Foster is in motion.
Yet fore and background are not blurred, for 1 frame.

Did John somehow replace all copies in existence of the Zapruder film? Did he edit in a photograph with aperture and depth of field settings as seen in 303 so no blur occurs in the time the aperture is open. (BnH is 45vs55%)

Since appeal to authority or CV's are in play....It was not Costella whom first found the anomaly and did an analysis on the frames in question.

SEE 2



This carries over from HnL alterationist thread.
Its fine to point out their adjustments and anomaly introduced in their deceptions but not the Zapruder films, is that it.

So if not due to John or predates John then was that just a smear on him?

A scientific study and measures of these frames is of course necessary from the sequestered original.
Hell yes bring it on!
But till then its not a valid to argue against what is available with what isnt.

We dont play that game with Prayer Man do we.

There should be a standard applied to all images and films when using them as "evidence".
I say use the courts definitions of evidence.
Do they put more weight on a picture or a witness.
When no witness places Molina on the steps can we rely on the images to place him there...yes? And himself.

When there is polarized opposite witnesses and even those whom were not witnesses to the event but had the luxury of examination/s of the film.
Yet a similar impression.

What did THEY all watch?
What did THEY all smoke?

The standard is up for interptetation as is the images of course. The witness is not.
Your interpretation will differ from another expert and so on. The witness doesnt have that hoop to jump through.
Their recollection is up for examination and cross exam.
The photo or film cant say a word either way.

So where are the BACK AND TO THE LEFT witnesses.
SPARE ME EXCUSES!!!
Slump is the term used.
That is the evidence on 11/22
None that day described the motion seen in Zapruder film aka Garrisons copy.
Did Zapruder say anything remotely interpreted as VIOLENTLY BLOWN BACK AND TO THE LEFT?

Does Dan Rather's description support the film we see today.
Did none whom witnessed the film Friday-Monday ever question Rathers recollections on air broadcast world wide  vs what they had just watched???????
No one not even Abe himself nope not even his attorney nor Secret Service nor Stolley from Life or Abes partner... none disavowed?

What a remarkable conspiracy of silence.

So there is no way to support the extant film, not shown till 1975, having the same features as seen in '63. (Zapruders kid may say anything for 16million)

99% is likely genuine film.
But it only takes 1%.
1 faked frame.
1 altered frame.
Then the claim of alteration is justified.


So which is it.
Is the response:
I can make a replication of this 8mm anomaly on film in a Bell n Howell.
OR
This is due to Costella altering the frame on his computer.

Well?
Cake and or Eat it Too..

Is there a single frame aperture adjuster on Zaps camera.
Did the limo stop and Zapruder pan ceases too as the plaza shot backwards at 11mph.

I am of course being silly to show how silly the claim is it can be duplicated is.
It hasnt and wont.
No shoulda coulda woulda.
It aint right for a reason.
PHYSICS.

I have never looked at 302 303 304 and said oh that can be replicated.
Never!
I would not bet a dime that I could even with endless rolls of kodachrome, the Zap BnH camera and neverending November 22nds.
I would never raise my hand swear on a bible in a court of law and profess I could.
I value my freedom.

ANOMALY
There is a deacceleration effect on the occupants except JFK.
Yet film only showed change from 11 to 8 mph in 1/2 second of time.
Dont take my word for it watch the extant film.
Does this break the laws of physics.
Was this due to frame removal.

Is it even possible or does it comport to witnesses.
I dont believe it can

Did the "government" (and stolley) control all copies and original... yes.
What did Stolley say.

https://youtu.be/WVBL_32dGYQ


Dr. Roderick Ryan, the Kodak scientist I mentioned above, disputes claims no one in 1963 could have altered 8mm Zapruder film.  Experts argue that the technology to alter the Zapruder film was available in 1963 and that there is evidence that it has been altered.

Thats the case.

When where by who is to be discovered in a court of law as all else wont pass the bar.
Right?
What standard could possibly suffice other than a verdict;
Propaganda or faithful reproduction.

But first things first.
Lets resolve 303



YET TO BE DEBUNKED. IF.
CHEERS

Lanceman the Alvarez claim is limo slows gradually imperceptible from 11 to 8

...of course then the head shot a lurch forward of occupants all while limo acceleration.
But that's just what we observe.
Figure 7

So ...the limo did slow in the film.
And witnesses claims were it did slow.
Proof?
Yes proof the extant film shows a slowing of the limo 10 frames before headshot.
Film also shows occupants lurch forward and limo accelerating away... I say "shows" when I should say it is what the 'film shows' vs. what the analysis showed.
Alvarez showed deccelation was one second before head shot but when viewing the film the impression was the limo stalls or falters after.
Witnesses too claim limo after headshot the limo slows, per Newman the nose dived.
Clint jumps aboard during this decrease and quickly limo speeds away.
That is the films impression.
Does figure 7 agree with visual perception of the film.



Unless you have works published in American Journal of Physics and we all missed it I suggest our ceasing arguements from ignorance.

I'm not the one with any deficit in experience.
Check your CV professors.
I used to cut n splice 8mm as a 12yr old kid to make Karate movies.
They looked better than Life's junk.

My amature karate movie was of course a faithful representation of events and I was better than Bruce Lee. I mean its on film so it must be true.
I of couse couldnt get full depth of field from a panning film camera so I must be a failure.

Yeah thats it.
Aloha and Cheers

Damn!
.. the whole of Dealey Plaza was drunk or hungover and not one memory matches the film but thats just collectively bad memories of everyone.
Oh yeah sure.
Not one person gets it 'right' even by accident ...even men watching a film of it later on, had memory lapses afterward.
Fer chists sake....
Swartz should slap ya with a fish.
Wake up.

So are those who say the limo slowed morons?
Morons because some more qualified morons said so?
Or some goons want it to be that way?
Fuck them and their lack of proof.
If someone twists anything its not me.
This is no opinion.
The contrary stance is astounding and patent bullshit.

The limo slowed.

Alvarez shows the films deception is real.
Or the lie more acceptable.
For example.
Dont get confused by recounting a tampered ballot box expecting a different tally.
If thats the logic used here and arguements are coming from,,, dont bother
as they are shat.

Amazingly a tampered ballot box looks genuine every time its counted.

Film at 11
Smoother film at 12

Tink thinks the films and photos are the witness.



Of course Tink's take needed a re-take.
So he can Tinkle somewhere else.

Or Greer looking back at blood running down Connally's chest ....but wait lets keep an even 8mph
No hurry.
SLOW AND STEADY WINS THE RACE!
https://youtu.be/vm2oDaQ2-NI

Nope he did not hit the gas, as a matter of fact he 'coasted'... it is a more apt descriptor anyway... COASTING ALONG ELM la dee da

At least thats the ruling from the instant replay officials and not on the field.

Greer tore out of Dealey Pla... no
Greer accelerates out of Deale... nope
Greer guns it and quickly ..... not a fn chance

Greer rolls along like the car is low on gas and they might need a push....BINGO!!!

8mph from head shot on folks.
No acceleration.
No gassing it
No floorboarding it
Nada, zip zero change in velocity despite anything you've seen.
Smooth and even.
Greer is a professional chauffer, did I mention?

Besides by '69 Zap couldnt swear to anything.

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CHEERS!

Besides by '69 Zap couldnt swear to anything.

But he did Ed, under oath.



So I'm curious Ed, why do you say that? Because of the above opinions or conclusions of Della Rosa?

https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/4728545/the-great-zapruder-film-hoax-assassination-research

Well at least Rich didnt say he could replicate Zaps 303 frame.
https://youtu.be/XrRbkY9gEnQ
Rich was full of shit. Thats not saying much.
Does that matter to me about 303, not a bit.
Other crap people say and do doesnt make 303 not an anomoly bang your drum
No seriously I dont doubt you.
You are the man Mick.
Not a worry.
I KNOW you can get some ekta and a B&H 414PD find a street with traffic at about 10mph and film it while panning.
Do it mate!
I have utmost faith in your skills and abilities.
Dont let me down.
Get that together and pimp it big.
Hit me back with results of that one frame with full field in focus.
Talk is cheap and we wouldnt want anyone to think we are all talk now would we.

Or

Measure that shit with scientific accuracy nanometer scale and prove our eyes are wrong just like Alvarez did with the limo. If you can.
Take 303 apart and put it back together.
Detail 302 and 304s blurs
Why you
Because I have faith in your measure.
You'll know the pitfalls
Youd know fools errands
You'd know better

Im right right

Oh about Zapruder Mick.
Best way is to check his testimony. Dont get up.
Here it is:

QUESTION: Is the copy you have here today identical to the original or are there any plates missing out of this copy?

ZAPRUDER: That would be hard for me to tell, sir.

THE COURT: I cannot hear the witness. What is it?

ZAPRUDER: That would be hard for me to say. He asked me if there are any frames missing.

THE COURT: What is your answer?

ZAPRUDER: I couldn't say.

MR. DYMOND:
Q: So you don't know whether it is a complete copy of the film you took on the 22nd of November?

ZAPRUDER: Not if there are one or two frames missing, I couldn't tell you.

So Mick.
He could not tell much now could he mate??
Did you question me

Didnt I hear some trash talk about witnesses???
What do we call Zapruder?

Hypocritics say sh_t like witnesses are bad then need a witness to prop up their case.
Hilarious!

Cheerios

Okay heres a few frames to allow anyone to measure or compare.
They are "equal" in compression and decompressiin effects as one can get over their 'puter.




All the literature I have read on blur and 8mm cameras have to do with claw and aperture creating blurrrrrr nothing otherwise in them or kodaks library.
Nothing from the inventors / patent holdees.
Is there any warnings of the era by users or technical journals that this camera or film in combination may produce background aberration that may cause it to be legally inadmissable. (Judge Haggerty just wanted to see the film)
Ie when Judge senses the focus is off he starts checking frames... not looking at JFK per se but the whole frame and notes 302 303 304's blur no blur blur and asks questions... game over.
Though in 1969 the film hadnt been seen so no wonder no objection arose.
Could a defense counselor persuade jurors the film is doctored if it did. Or argue its not to be used as a clock or in lieu of forensics.. if it helps the defense I'm positive it would be so decapitated.
I would hope and expect as much.
Note the objections to Garrisons playing it for the court from Shaws counsel.

I havent looked at Fieldings(?) book or any special effects literature, for a reason.
That is a different animal.
I am attempting to fit what is seen visually with what produces it optically.
303 may be a key to a lock or not.
Maybe





Why does SS need to show up at Zaps to see the film?
Did Sorrells say they cant watch it FRIDAY ... forcing poor SS to wait ?
Sounds like major bullshite
They dont have a copy, havent seen film and arent taking it as evidence. How odd.

I have trouble with the 'two' copies to FBI, ONE going to Forrest who has Zapruder, not an agent or anyone with any official chain of custody drive copy TWO to the airfield for a waiting jet... seriously?
It sounds like bs to me.

HI we are the Secret Service
We are just curious
May we take a peek
If its not too much trouble
Maybe make an appointment
Group viewing if necessary
Pretty please
We cant bid... nope, so sorry, we are tapped out from buying limo windshields and chrome strips.

Lmao.

Much like commission staffer deposing Zapruder,
(Zapruder was one of six persons deposed that day by the same Commission staff member, who, in the words of one assassination scholar, was engaging in “assembly-line interrogations.” When shown and asked to comment on various still frames from his famous film, Zapruder complained that “I wish I had an enlarger here for you.”) his budget was blown on all those trancription edits.

Yeah its that bad.

Reminds me.
Did Will Fritz ever get that tape recorder he budgeted in?

From 2013 a stabilized gif
https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/abraham-zapruder-jfk-assassination-film-gif-stablized/

For a same day same film comparison see Tina Towners 8mm film.
Panning with limo and background is not in focus.

https://youtu.be/XwPTozDrSKo
Cheers!

GUESS WHOS STILL IN THE GAME! https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/doug-horne-replies-on-oswald-s-earnings

How'd the prediction turn out.
Mine was spot on!

Ed.Ledoux wrote:GUESS WHOS STILL IN THE GAME! https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/doug-horne-replies-on-oswald-s-earnings

How'd the prediction turn out.
Mine was spot on!

I gotta say, I thought the attempt by Roe et al. to debunk what Horne said on this matter seemed like complete bullshit; but like Horne said it’s impossible to verify without seeing the records. 

The stuff on Truly especially is pretty damn interesting if it’s actually legit.

Ageed Tom.
If truly true!!!
Horne will give you the weaknesses in the data... Roe I wouldnt trust to tell all.

https://youtu.be/B8IvKx0c19w

Nice job on that puppet animation of the Kennedy murder. The guy who made that puppet show video should make one about the entire Kennedy case.

Has anyone looked into which copy of the Zapruder film was used by the Warren Commission?

My understanding is that the Commission or its staff found the first version of the film they used was unsatisfactory and requested another copy.

As we’ve seen from these “Commissions” (Pearl Harbor, 9/11 and others), they are staffed with high profile people to give gravitas to a story that reassures the people that though “mistakes were made”, the system works and we’ve got some fixes. The real investigative work is done by the staff. But the commissioners will not just sign off on anything. The 9/11 Commission threatened to bring legal action against the Department of Defense for destruction of evidence about their actions that day.

By the afternoon of November 22, the toothpaste was already out of the tube. As of November 29, the Warren Commission was going to write the official story. I would look for evidence in alteration in the version of the Z-film the Commission used.

Roe's observations are either terribly researched or plain dunken rants, or if you wish to have it both ways a combination of the two. Double whammy!

lanceman wrote:

By the afternoon of November 22, the toothpaste was already out of the tube. As of November 29, the Warren Commission was going to write the official story. I would look for evidence in alteration in the version of the Z-film the Commission used.

What kind of "alteration" are we supposed to look for? Below is a link to the SS reenactment shown internally only. At around the 11 minute mark you'll see the Z film in B/W. It looks identical to the one we know and have seen. Keep in mind this reenactment film was not shown to the public.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRiOTr2J9iM

So I ask again - what kind of alteration are we supposed to look for? And more importantly, *why* was there alteration if there is any?

JFK_Case wrote:

lanceman wrote:

By the afternoon of November 22, the toothpaste was already out of the tube. As of November 29, the Warren Commission was going to write the official story. I would look for evidence in alteration in the version of the Z-film the Commission used.

What kind of "alteration" are we supposed to look for? Below is a link to the SS reenactment shown internally only. At around the 11 minute mark you'll see the Z film in B/W. It looks identical to the one we know and have seen. Keep in mind this reenactment film was not shown to the public.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRiOTr2J9iM

So I ask again - what kind of alteration are we supposed to look for? And more importantly, *why* was there alteration if there is any?

That question is for the alterationists. I don’t believe there has been any alteration though there may be frames missing. One researcher (not on ROKC) believes that Zapruder filmed at 48 frames per second and that 2/3 frames have been removed! He also presents endless mathematical calculations that detail events down to one-hundredth of a second, a degree of precision that is ridiculous.

I’d still like to see artifacts introduced by copying or variability in shutter speed, response characteristics of the film ruled out as explanations for the supposed anamolies before asserting alteration.

lanceman wrote:


That question is for the alterationists. I don’t believe there has been any alteration though there may be frames missing. One researcher (not on ROKC) believes that Zapruder filmed at 48 frames per second and that 2/3 frames have been removed! He also presents endless mathematical calculations that detail events down to one-hundredth of a second, a degree of precision that is ridiculous.

I’d still like to see artifacts introduced by copying or variability in shutter speed, response characteristics of the film ruled out as explanations for the supposed anamolies before asserting alteration.

Yes, Lanceman, we're aware of him. It's Chris Davidson and he sometimes posts on here. There's even a funny parody thread on here about his nutty 67% of the frames removed [forgot the name of the thread].

On [UN]EF his infamous thread on there is Swan Song. All stupid shit about the Z "alteration." I argued a lot with him on there over there (my last name is W if you care to look there).

That's the story Lanceman.
Supposedly the commission required better images, (yeah they aren't the only ones)...and yet what they printed wasn't quality by any means. If they did look at 3x5 transparencies from original they missed 303.
What the FBI supplied was a copy of the SS copy.
Why? If the FBI had a copy it could copy itself...?
Anyway
Soon after the commission was split.
Boggs, etc were not convinced and wanted their objections as a part of the record. I'm quite sure the film they watched added to the derision, based on the executive transcripts.

Looking for trickery in what was shown to them is a good idea.
I would imagine the same tricks as Life used in the magazine.
Switch a few frames out of order.
And or forget to include one or two.
You know so they could repeat the mantra “mistakes were made”
Even with questions and no answers the commissioners all signed on the dotted line.

Wikipedia has it like this:
One of the first-generation Secret Service copies was loaned to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in Washington, D.C., which made a second-generation copy.[15] After studies of that copy were made in January 1964, the Warren Commission judged the quality to be inadequate, and requested the original film. Life brought the original to Washington in February for the Commission's viewing, and also made color 35mm slide enlargements from the relevant frames of the original film for the FBI. From those slides, the FBI made a series of black-and-white prints, which were given to the commission for its use.[15]


Enough studies of 303 have been done to get an answer of panning/limo was much slower or an exposure setting changes for single frame but does not affect the films exposure, ie camera anomaly.
Yet none has been replicated with said camera.
Same type cameras have been used and film offered for comparison but no 303 examples were found. 
Archive original 303 has full field in focus.

That's where it stands.
Cheers

Frame 303 has a different DOF than 302
In fact the experts talk about 'depth of field' in their spotting fakes... so what was their excuses for 301 - 303
Rollie talks about DOF.
So did Homer McMahon in his book on fakes.
Man in foreground and buildings in background far away are impossible to both be in sharp focus, as Homer showed in his video presentation for his book.
The answer was two images were combined.
Why act like there was no reason to adjust the film?
Its what governments and CIA does.
Falsify info and keep the real truth hidden and as a state secret.
Why is this any different.
Its not and its what the government was prepared for. (See Waldron)

So what is the answer to 301-303.
Twisted or bent film was discounted.
Buckling film was discounted.
Physical effects from the camera were not reproducible to cause both fore and backgrounds to be in focus*
Nothing has stuck to the wall as it were.

Lack of study is not a substitute for scholarship.
Just proclaiming the backyard photos are real hasnt been a smart stance... ever, and is basically untenable now.

*nothing is sharp or in sharp focus in zap... it looks second generation.

Note the extant film contains evidence of a very serious timing problem in it President Kennedy and Governor Connally react to separate shots that occur too close together to have been fired in succession with the carcano's 2.3 second cycle time. The Warren Commission staff expressed great concern about this internally, and ultimately dealt with it dishonestly by allowing for a conclusion that the same bullet had hit both men.
Rather than honestly addressing problems the commission and most everyone ignore or toss it in a box marked Inconsistencies I Cant Explain and summarily put the box in deep storage.
Fine be one of THOSE GUYS basically small dicked
pricks with simple minds easily distracted by their own eyelashes rather than the discrepancy on the screen.
Telling onesself that the EVERYTHING IS FAKE crowd controlls this film or its problems is a conspiracy theory of all conspiracy theories.

Fake IDs

Fake Back Yard Photos

Fake Envelopes and Coupons for weapons

Fake testimony.

Fake letters.

Fake trips to MX.

Fake photos at embassies.

Fake audio from MX.

Fake living quarters.

Fake escape from TSBD.

Fake cab rides.

Fake jacket.

Fake pistol.

Fake assassination.

Fake alibi given "for" Oswald of SFLR.

But you go on,,,
and tell me how Saint Zapruder would never tell a lie or be a part of a coverup ... for $$$$$$$ and as a patriotic man... yeah whatever.
Bless that altruistic dressmaker. (barf)

Bwahaha ... speaking of "dupes" and "negatives"
Good luck with Rollie or Homer addressing the black patch on JFKs head.
Its not the same density as any other shadow in the film or that frame BECAUSE ITS FAKE! HELLO???
Only btards would make up some excuse to counter this fact. Not opinion fact.



ARRB had the last word.
https://insidethearrb.livejournal.com/10709.html

That is the dishonesty of Zapruder film.
Even when shown beyond a shadow of doubt the film is either real or fake the effects from the WC and on the world were to alter it to fit a false narrative. By word or deed. Alterations are the same.

Was the film tampered with, and that was used to make the second set of briefing boards?
Then its locked away having served its useful purpose.
Or were two different sets of boards made in ultra super duper tip top secret just because NPIC didnt want to hurt Homer McMahon's feelings.
Ha!

I always hide evidence proving the thing to be proved... That's as logical as a pocket on the back of a shirt... and as handy.

Thanks for drooling and gawkin at my posts... hope they leave the naysayers putting ointment up their arse.

Cheers for fears!
Ed