DVP on Oswald's guilt

In summary --

Lee Oswald leaving behind the money and his ring doesn't PROVE he shot the President, of course. But the TOTALITY of unusual things he did on November 21 and 22 certainly indicate that Friday, November 22, 1963, was not just an ordinary regular work day for Lee Harvey Oswald.

This is misleading in that it makes it sound like he left $170 on that night. In fact, the amount he left is unknown. According to Marina...
MARINA OSWALD -- "Yes, in my room at Ruth Paine's there was a black wallet in a wardrobe. Whenever Lee would come he would put money in there, but I never counted it."

The $170 was the sum total of the money he would put there periodically on his visits.

E.G.:

1.) Visiting his wife at Ruth Paine's house on a THURSDAY instead of his normal FRIDAY.

There was NO norm. That is WC spin. He had only been working for 6 weeks (hardly long enough to form a regular pattern) and had broken the alleged norm in the past.

2.) Leaving Marina $170 and his wedding ring (in tandem) -- which left only approximately $15.10 in Lee's pockets when he left the Paine house on November 22 (and, remember, per Buell Wesley Frazier, Lee was not planning on returning to Irving on Friday night).

3.) Telling Marina to buy "anything" that was needed for the children, which was highly unusual for the penny-pinching Mr. Oswald, according to his wife.

She did not use the term "penny-pinching". You are putting words in the mouth of the witness.. Nor did she say it was "highly unusual". Let's look at her exact words: "He asked me whether June needed anything and told me to buy everything that I needed for myself and for June and for the children. This was rather unusual for him, that he would mention that first." The term she used was "rather unusual" and she did not say it in relation to buying everything the kids needed. She said it was "rather unusual" that he mentioned this FIRST. It was apparently something he might usually say before leaving her - not something he'd say prior.

"Rather" according to the dictionary: Used to indicate one's preference in a particular matter

Synonyms: quite - pretty - somewhat - preferably

4.) Telling Wesley Frazier he was going to Irving to get some curtain rods at the Paine house, which we know was a lie (based on the preponderance of evidence and testimony that proves it was a lie).

The testimony from Frazier is the ONLY evidence. Where does this "preponderance" come from?

5.) Taking a large paper package into work with him on Nov. 22.

Which was explicable, given the Paine's had no need to have any lunch sacks on hand.

6.) Taking no lunch to work on Nov. 22, which was very unusual (per Buell Frazier's testimony).

Frazier again. Ho hum. The guy who kept changing his mind about where he usually ate to cover the very strange behaviour of eating in the basement all on his own that day. If you want to talk about suspiciousness borne of breaking usual habits, how about addressing that one?

And when we add in the evidence of Oswald's guilt that was discovered AFTER the assassination, then what do all of these things suggest--in combination with one another? Do they suggest the actions of an innocent patsy? Or do they suggest the actions of a man who had a one-man plan to murder the President?

Yes... a bunch of VERY circumstantial pieces of evidence, often taken out of context, or with spin added - it was the usual method of securing convictions in Dallas -- many of which later had to be overturned.

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Bullshit. Marking the envelope is tantamount to marking the piece of evidence itself.

The writing we find on this envelope written by Elmer Todd is exactly the same as having ROWLEY'S own mark on it too. And anyone saying otherwise is just plain goofy:

Is it possible that the Secret Service men (Johnsen and Rowley) could have conceivably marked the envelope that CD7 says contained the bullet that was turned over to the FBI by Rowley on 11/22/63?

Such an explanation would, of course, explain why the initials of Johnsen and Rowley are not present on the bullet itself--it would be because they marked the envelope instead of the actual bullet.

But such an explanation doesn't really iron out any problems that exist in CE2011 though, because it's hard for me to believe that if SS agent Johnsen (and/or Chief Rowley) had, indeed, marked an envelope which held CE399, that such important chain-of-possession information would not have made its way into the FBI report we find in CE2011.

So what? Who cares? It wasn't FRITZ who got shot, was it? And it wasn't FRITZ who shot Oswald either.

Eliminating Fritz from a re-creation of Oswald's murder is the same as eliminating Nellie Connaly or Roy Kellerman from a reconstruction of JFK's murder.

Erm. No. Chalk and cheese. Nellie was not there to take a bullet for the president, and Kellerman was in no position to take a bullet for the president.

IOW--It makes no difference whatsoever if Captain Fritz is included in a re-creation or not.

It makes a BIG difference. In the DPD files is a document outlining the Fritz plan for the safe transfer of the prisoner. The cornerstone of this plan was that police would form a tight 4 man press around Oswald, with Fritz himself taking the front position. Ruby was only able to shoot Oswald because Fritz BROKE that 4 man press. Taking him out of the equation for a recreation gives the wrong impression that no such plan was in place. In fact, any recreation of the Oswald slaying should not only include Fritz, it should include the details of the Fritz transfer plan.

Btw, just so you know, your's is the first (and perhaps the only) forum I will ever join. unlike some other forums, I know for a fact that ALL the people here have only the best of intentions when it comes to the JFK assassination.

Ironically, it was Von Pein more than anyone who inspired me to start my own blog on the assassination. With all his BS and insults directed at Conspiracy advocates, I wanted to do all I could to counter him and his ilk.

Frankie Vegas wrote:"Peinerisms" - going straight to the pool room. Aka, my Kennedy dictionary.

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