the "found" wallet at the Tippit site
Sun 24 Sep 2023, 12:49 pm
is raising its ugly head again among the warring factions of Thirteen Inch Headites
Greg D's attempt is not bad, but it is Don Willis who nailed it.
The wallet belonged to Scoggins.
From my Tippit essay
The Tippit Scene Wallet
Everyone wants to use this wallet to support their own theory. To those who support the Lone Nut line, the wallet found at the scene belonged to Tippit. To those who support Oswald as assassin in a foreign-led conspiracy, it was Oswald’s wallet and therefore proof that he shot Tippit, to others still, it was a throw-down as part of a frame against Oswald and his true wallet was taken from him in the squad car after his arrest – just as the arresting officers claimed.
The two who would claim that this was Oswald’s wallet and that it contained both Oswald and Hidell ID, were police reserve sergeant, Kenneth Croy and FBI agent Bob Barrett. Neither man wrote any report or gave sworn testimony about this wallet, nor did Captain Westbrook, who was the officer who allegedly talked about it to Barrett by asking if he knew of any criminal elements named Lee Oswald or Alek Hidell.
According to Croy, a civilian handed him the wallet and he passed it onto Westbrook. According to Barrett, Westbrook found the wallet near a pool of blood. According to civilian witnesses, there was no
wallet left on the ground at the time they arrived (recall that they arrived at the spot before any police).
WFAA cameraman, Ron Reiland took film of the wallet being examined by police. He later went back to the studio and provided audio for his footage as it was aired. He described the wallet as belonging to Tippit. He also described one of the witnesses as being i͞nterrogated͟ by police.
The most likely scenario comes from the most unlikely source; David von Pein. DVP is a self-appointed Warren Commission defender. As such, he is prone to contort evidence he does not like so that it can be debunked͟ while at the same time, sing the virtues of the evidence held aloft by the authorities. If the idea is simply to debunk, or play down conspiracy evidence, it does not follow that all such evidence
needs to be ͞contorted͟ or lied about in order to achieve that goal. Simply put, a lot of the so-called evidence on both sides of the picket fence can be debunked without resort to chicanery. This is a good
example.
Witness Ted Callaway had taken Tippit’s pistol and talked taxi driver William Scoggins into joining him in pursuit of the killer. On return, the pistol was given to Croy and he handed it over to detectives. It was scoggins who was the subject of the interrogation described by Reiland and there can be little doubt that the police would want to check his ID as part of that. It seems that Croy and civilian witnesses had been fooled by Callaway’s derring-do into believing that he was a detective. When he returned with Scoggins, t was at first thought that Scoggins had bee the driver of the killer, The later stories were just more of the same pushing of Oswald as Hidell. Former FBI analyst, Farris Rookstool’s who is one who pushes that the wallet did belonged to Oswald, has theorized that the arresting police lied about finding a wallet on Oswald in order cover up for so many police handling it.
Calling this theory a stretch would not be unkind. What can be said about Rookstool’s theory is that had Oswald’s wallet with ID been found at the murder site, whether or not it was a throw-down, both names would have been radioed in and broadcast for pickup, and police dispatched to the only address in the wallet – 602 Elspeth – after all, it was just a half mile from the murder scene…
https://gregrparker.com/essays/jd-tippit-an-alternative-solution/
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I'll add that Bill Simpich's complaint that police would never take a wallet from someone, unless under arrest for among other reasons, not wanting to get accusing of stealing money, is baffling to say the least.
I mean, I readily accept that the policy, if not the law, would forbid it. Though I don't understand why a cop couldn't equally steal from the wallet after arrest? That aside, it is also illegal for cops to plant evidence.... so Bill has cops too scared or too straight to take a wallet from a suspect, but not too scared or too bent to plant evidence.
I will fucking never never understand the CT mindset any more than I will ever understand the lone nutters.
Although I never went into it in the Tippit piece, what we see in Reiland's film is staged - NOT by the cops but by REILAND! Anyone who has had dealings with the media looking for a story will know this is exactly what they do. They stage scenes for dramatic effect. Dallas cops being such media whores went along with it. That's not to say they never took the wallet and wanted to go through it. But Reiland would have had them crowded around the wallet as it is searched. Which is exactly what we see in the film.
This obsession with Croy is utterly batshit crazy. Croy apparently also knew what Oswald's wallet looked like and deliberately brought a duplicate as the throwdown. This throws out so many other questions, I wouldn't know where to start so it is no surprise that Bill does not attempt to explain Croy's deep knowledge of suspect wallets.
Greg D's attempt is not bad, but it is Don Willis who nailed it.
The wallet belonged to Scoggins.
From my Tippit essay
The Tippit Scene Wallet
Everyone wants to use this wallet to support their own theory. To those who support the Lone Nut line, the wallet found at the scene belonged to Tippit. To those who support Oswald as assassin in a foreign-led conspiracy, it was Oswald’s wallet and therefore proof that he shot Tippit, to others still, it was a throw-down as part of a frame against Oswald and his true wallet was taken from him in the squad car after his arrest – just as the arresting officers claimed.
The two who would claim that this was Oswald’s wallet and that it contained both Oswald and Hidell ID, were police reserve sergeant, Kenneth Croy and FBI agent Bob Barrett. Neither man wrote any report or gave sworn testimony about this wallet, nor did Captain Westbrook, who was the officer who allegedly talked about it to Barrett by asking if he knew of any criminal elements named Lee Oswald or Alek Hidell.
According to Croy, a civilian handed him the wallet and he passed it onto Westbrook. According to Barrett, Westbrook found the wallet near a pool of blood. According to civilian witnesses, there was no
wallet left on the ground at the time they arrived (recall that they arrived at the spot before any police).
WFAA cameraman, Ron Reiland took film of the wallet being examined by police. He later went back to the studio and provided audio for his footage as it was aired. He described the wallet as belonging to Tippit. He also described one of the witnesses as being i͞nterrogated͟ by police.
The most likely scenario comes from the most unlikely source; David von Pein. DVP is a self-appointed Warren Commission defender. As such, he is prone to contort evidence he does not like so that it can be debunked͟ while at the same time, sing the virtues of the evidence held aloft by the authorities. If the idea is simply to debunk, or play down conspiracy evidence, it does not follow that all such evidence
needs to be ͞contorted͟ or lied about in order to achieve that goal. Simply put, a lot of the so-called evidence on both sides of the picket fence can be debunked without resort to chicanery. This is a good
example.
Witness Ted Callaway had taken Tippit’s pistol and talked taxi driver William Scoggins into joining him in pursuit of the killer. On return, the pistol was given to Croy and he handed it over to detectives. It was scoggins who was the subject of the interrogation described by Reiland and there can be little doubt that the police would want to check his ID as part of that. It seems that Croy and civilian witnesses had been fooled by Callaway’s derring-do into believing that he was a detective. When he returned with Scoggins, t was at first thought that Scoggins had bee the driver of the killer, The later stories were just more of the same pushing of Oswald as Hidell. Former FBI analyst, Farris Rookstool’s who is one who pushes that the wallet did belonged to Oswald, has theorized that the arresting police lied about finding a wallet on Oswald in order cover up for so many police handling it.
Calling this theory a stretch would not be unkind. What can be said about Rookstool’s theory is that had Oswald’s wallet with ID been found at the murder site, whether or not it was a throw-down, both names would have been radioed in and broadcast for pickup, and police dispatched to the only address in the wallet – 602 Elspeth – after all, it was just a half mile from the murder scene…
https://gregrparker.com/essays/jd-tippit-an-alternative-solution/
-----------------------------
I'll add that Bill Simpich's complaint that police would never take a wallet from someone, unless under arrest for among other reasons, not wanting to get accusing of stealing money, is baffling to say the least.
I mean, I readily accept that the policy, if not the law, would forbid it. Though I don't understand why a cop couldn't equally steal from the wallet after arrest? That aside, it is also illegal for cops to plant evidence.... so Bill has cops too scared or too straight to take a wallet from a suspect, but not too scared or too bent to plant evidence.
I will fucking never never understand the CT mindset any more than I will ever understand the lone nutters.
Although I never went into it in the Tippit piece, what we see in Reiland's film is staged - NOT by the cops but by REILAND! Anyone who has had dealings with the media looking for a story will know this is exactly what they do. They stage scenes for dramatic effect. Dallas cops being such media whores went along with it. That's not to say they never took the wallet and wanted to go through it. But Reiland would have had them crowded around the wallet as it is searched. Which is exactly what we see in the film.
This obsession with Croy is utterly batshit crazy. Croy apparently also knew what Oswald's wallet looked like and deliberately brought a duplicate as the throwdown. This throws out so many other questions, I wouldn't know where to start so it is no surprise that Bill does not attempt to explain Croy's deep knowledge of suspect wallets.
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Re: the "found" wallet at the Tippit site
Tue 26 Dec 2023, 9:44 pm
I always enjoyed the part where the cops are trying to catch a cop killer but are too busy reminising over pictures of Tippits children and skippy* the family dog in the wallet.
"Hey Barrett get over here an look at JD's kids!"
"After five decades, Rookstool is sharing the strongest evidence yet that Lee Harvey Oswald murdered Dallas police Officer J.D. Tippit..."
Yeah, Oswald's wallet. Nice try Rookiestool
*I dont know or care if their dog was named Skippy
"Hey Barrett get over here an look at JD's kids!"
"After five decades, Rookstool is sharing the strongest evidence yet that Lee Harvey Oswald murdered Dallas police Officer J.D. Tippit..."
Yeah, Oswald's wallet. Nice try Rookiestool
*I dont know or care if their dog was named Skippy
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