Amos Lee Euins

First topic message reminder :

Without a doubt, Amos Euins is one of the most misunderstood witnesses to the President’s assassination. In his affidavit to the Dallas Sheriff’s Office, he allegedly claimed that the shooter in the TSBD was a white man. However, during his testimony, he denied this was the case.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=335899

From Euins’ testimony:
 
 

Mr. SPECTER.
All right. Let me ask you about a couple of specific things here, Amos.In the statement you say here that he was a white man. By reading the statement, does that refresh your memory as to whether he was a white man or not?

Mr. EUINS.
No, sir; I told the man that I could see a white spot on his head, but I didn't actually say it was a white man. I said I couldn't tell. But I saw a white spot in his head.

Mr. SPECTER.
Your best recollection at this moment is you still don't know whether he was a white man or a Negro? All you can say is that you saw a white spot on his head?

Mr. EUINS.
Yes, sir.

Mr. SPECTER.
Then, did you tell the people at the police station that he was a white man, or did they make a mistake when they wrote that down here?

Mr. EUINS.
They must have made a mistake, because I told them I could see a white spot on his head.

 
 
Euins also claimed that he couldn’t tell whether the shooter was a white or black man:
 
 

Mr. SPECTER.
Of what race was he [the shooter], Amos?

Mr. EUINS.
I couldn't tell, because these boxes were throwing a reflection, shaded.

Mr. SPECTER.
Could you tell whether he was a Negro gentleman or a white man?

Mr. EUINS.
No, sir.

Mr. SPECTER. Couldn't even tell that? But you have described that he had a bald—

Mr. EUINS.
Spot in his head. Yes, sir; I could see the bald spot in his head.

 
 
He also testified that he didn’t get a very good look at the shooter:
 
 

Mr. SPECTER.
Now, did you get a very good look at that man, Amos?

Mr. EUINS.
No, sir; I did not.

 
 
When Euins was interviewed by the FBI on November 29, 1963, he told them that he could not tell anything about the man. The report also says that he was standing on the North East corner of the Elm and Houston Street intersection. However, this is wrong, since he was actually standing near the South West corner.
 
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=10672&relPageId=13
 
 
In his December 14, 1963, interview with the FBI, Euins was quoted as saying the following:
 
“He said he was sure he [the shooter] was white, because his hand extended outside the window on the rifle.”
 
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=340785
 
 
During his testimony, Euins claimed that he thought the FBI only interviewed him once, and that this was about four days following the assassination. However, the second FBI interview must be genuine since he was quoted as saying the shooter had a bald spot on his head; just as he testified before the Warren Commission.
 
As mentioned before, Euins denied the man was white during his testimony. But if there’s some reason why we should trust the FBI report over Euins’ testimony (which was in his own words), I would please like to know.
 
My question is: When did Euins ever claim he thought the shooter was a black/dark complected man?
 
As for the bald/white spot, I think it could simply have been a reflection of the sun off of the shooter’s head. Then again, I have my suspicions that Larry Jones of CUSA (who had a bald spot on top of his head) was quite possibly the TSBD shooter.

Over at ED someone linked to a 1966 Esquire piece with a list of conspiracies, which linked to a  1967 piece with even more. In the second article, Greg's buddy David Lifton had a rather novel theory (No. 18) involving landscape architecture.

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/conspiracy_theories/Primer/Primer_of_assassination_theories.html

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/conspiracy_theories/Second_Primer/Second_primer.html

Greg's buddy David Lifton had a rather novel theory (No. 18) involving landscape architecture.

Was that David's work? Gee willikers. I thought it was Mel Brooks' script for "Blazing Assassins".

Mel Brooks is a genius. Since I mistook David's work for that of Mel's, I'd have to admit David must also be a genius. 

Which explains why he is held in such high regard by educators.

Is Amos still alive?

I believe so. There is a listing for a 65-year-old Amos Lee Euins, as having a phone number in Dallas, Mesquite and Balch Springs, all in Texas.

Thanks Richard.

If I recall correctly, but I may well be wrong here, I think Duke Lane virtually debunked Euins as a witness at one point, or am I thinking of someone other than Euins (I know Carr etc.)...? Did Euins say that he was at Love Field and watched AF1 land etc., then still managed to get to DP in time to see the assassination but Duke raised serious doubts about this being possible/probable?

ianlloyd wrote:If I recall correctly, but I may well be wrong here, I think Duke Lane virtually debunked Euins as a witness at one point, or am I thinking of someone other than Euins (I know Carr etc.)...? Did Euins say that he was at Love Field and watched AF1 land etc., then still managed to get to DP in time to see the assassination but Duke raised serious doubts about this being possible/probable?

Ian,

I believe that was James Richard Worrell.

Ah, yes, thanks Hasan.

From Jesse Curry's book 

The witness, Amos Lee Euins, had properly identified the floor as the 'floor under the ledge!" — which would have been the sixth floor. Euins, a fifteen-year-old spectator of the motorcade, recalled that before the shots
were fired he saw"this pipe thing sticking out the window." After the first shot he looked up immediately and saw a rifle with a hand on the barrel and another on the trigger sticking out of the open window. While hiding behind a bench Amos Euins was sure that four shots were fired in all. He had seen at least two of them come from the rifle on the sixth floor.

New Article about Amos.
https://thewitness.home.blog/2018/11/22/the-witness/

For the first time in 55 years, this report provides some evidence of Dallas Police corruption and conspiracy in connection with the John F. Kennedy Assassination.

55 Years Ago Today…

On November 22, 1963, Amos Lee Euins was a ninth grader in Franklin D Roosevelt school in Dallas Texas. His school announced to students, anyone that would like to go see President John F Kennedy drive by in the motorcade could get a pass and go watch. Amos went to the school office, got a pass and then got a ride from his mom to the area in front of the Texas School Book Depository. His mom dropped him off and went on to work. What Amos witnessed next would effect his life forever.

Amos was interviewed by the FBI November 29, 1963(1). The following year, on Wednesday, March 11, 1964, Amos testified at the Warren Commission hearings(2). Amos clearly and concisely described watching the president’s motorcade make the fateful turn onto Elm and looked up to watch shots fired from the Texas School Book Depository. He described four distinct shots being fired. He clearly saw the shooter in the book depository make the second shot and the shooter had a “white spot” or bald spot on the top of his head but couldn’t identify if he was black or white. During his Warren Commission testimony, Amos said he was interviewed by the FBI only once “about 4 days after the assassination”. Interestingly another FBI report was released of an interview with Amos that happened on December 14, 1963(3). This report contradicts Amos’ own testimony that the shooter was white and he could see the shooters hand. That flawed detail was carried forward on December 23, 1963, FBI report on Oswald later released by the Warren Commission.

While Amos didn’t see enough to identify the shooter, a few minor details could be just enough to cause significant issues. Amos was clear and sure, there were four shots. After the shots, Amos described heading across the tracks and running into a police officer. Amos told the police officer where the shots came from and the police officer took him on his motorcycle to the Texas School Book Depository building and called additional units. Another man was there described by Amos as a “construction guy” wearing a construction jacket that said a man had just run out the back of the Book depository building “with kind of bald spot on the top of his head.”

It’s been 55 years and the JFK Assassination is not a closed case in the eyes of many people. Some may say, the “case is closed”, Oswald was the lone gunman. Others have a range of theories, from Castro to LBJ, and CIA. Some recent and seemingly credible evidence released also appears to point to a shooter from the front. What is now considered the Deep State is often a target of theories. The enigma of the JFK Assassination has stymied the best and sent much hunting down the proverbial rabbit hole. In October of last year (2017), a National Archives release revealed evidence the FBI’s Dallas office received a threat on Oswald’s life on November 23, 1963, the night before Jack Ruby shot him, from a man saying he was a “member of a committee organized to kill Oswald.” There is no shortage of theories and possibilities. Some of the recently released documents including autopsy evidence do tend to support alternate theories but this author withholds judgment.

In September of 1964, the Warren Commission ended with an 888-page report and conclusions that Oswald acted entirely alone and had fired THREE shots with a single bullet theory (a single bullet causing multiple wounds). In New Orleans during a trial of Clay Shaw in 1969, however, New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison challenged the single-bullet theory with evidence from the Zapruder film, which he claimed indicated that a fourth shot from the grassy knoll had caused the fatal shot to Kennedy’s head. The timing of this news, 1969 and the challenge to the Warren Commission “three shots” conclusion is important to note.

In a book by Jim Marrs titled Crossfire, several people said they were intimidated by either FBI agents or anonymous individuals into altering or suppressing what they knew regarding the assassination(4). Later Marrs produced a list of 103 “convenient deaths” of witnesses or people with links to the assassination and Warren Commission report that had died under suspicious circumstances. While reviewing the list many could poke holes into the conspiracy theory and point out how many of the deaths were likely of normal or natural causes. A book released in 1968 titled The Dark Side of Lyndon Baines Johnson, was the first to accuse Johnson of having a role in the assassination. It was revealed just 3 days before the assassination that JFK had a conversation where it is said Vice-President Johnson would not be his running mate for his 2nd term. There was no shortage of assassination theories or reasons to suppress them.

There is even a theory that Oswald was not the shooter and a Larry Jones of CUSA (Conservatists USA) a small right-wing group that put an anti-Kennedy ad in the Dallas paper the day of the Assassination was the shooter. The theory is helped by the fact Jones had a similar build to Oswald, he was there in Dallas, and Jones had a bald spot on the top of his head.

A November 1970 Internal CIA memo to the Central Intelligence Agency Director described in detail how the CIA worked with Johnny Roselli, Sam Giancana, and Santos Trafficante, major mobsters of the United States underworld from early 1960 to poison Castro in Cuba until it was decided against continuing after the Bay of Pigs (in April 1961) a fiasco largely blamed on Kennedy(5). So who had a motive to kill Kennedy and/or cover it up? It might be easier to ask who didn’t.

Back to Amos, the witness, the African-American boy, just out from school to watch the president, he watched and counted the shots, he knew there were FOUR shots. But even his Warren Commission testimony could have been compromised. There are claims that Amos’ Mother received threatening phone calls just prior to his testifying at the Warren Commission and when held at the Sheriff’s office the day of, and after the assassination Sgt. David Harkness recorded in his pocket notebook(6) that Amos stated the shooter was a black man. It is possible that Harkness was made aware of a black man in a School Book Depository window by other witnesses as there appears to be a black man on a lower floor window at one point, but speculating on which truth to believe takes us down that rabbit hole. As well an affidavit completed by the Sheriff’s Office on November 22, 1963, the day of the shooting has Amos stating the shooter was a white man(7). Here again, this Amos had said it was a white spot on the top of his head.

A video from the day at the Texas School Book Depository parking lot shows Amos getting into the back of a sheriff’s car and a construction type gentleman in the front passenger seat.

In June 1970 Amos was arrested and that arrest report( was one of the documents released last year without redaction. This report showed the Dallas Police completed an arrest warrant against Amos. The warrant stated in detail that Amos Euins on June 10, 1970, was found under a 1970 Javelin 2-door rental car. The arresting officer complaint was from “Q. Hodges and J. D. Davis.” It stated Amos was under the car removing nuts with a wrench in his hand. Removing the nuts from the passenger bucket seat. In one passage from the report, the officer states Amos was holding the nuts in his hand, these were tagged as evidence. There’s a problem here. A big problem and that connection didn’t come until researching this long-withheld document this year.

About six months ago I made inquiries about the 1970 Javelin. Since it is a great car for collectors there are still some around in perfect condition and a few collectors that know the 1970 Javelin with extreme great detail. I didn’t want to get conflated replies so I was very cryptic with my inquiries. I asked for help from anyone that knew the 1970 Javelin in detail and maybe still owned one. I said it was to help solve an “unsolved cold case murder” without going into any more detail that it was actually the JFK assassination.

On October 15 this year (2018) a reply from Car Gurus came through. Wade, a member, replied to my question about removing the passenger bucket seat. He said, “I used to own a 1970 Javelin and the nuts for the passenger seat in that particular car were welded to the underbody. You could remove the seat by unbolting it from inside if you happened to have a ratcheting wrench.” This one little immaterial detail becomes quite significant when put together with the rest of the evidence. The arrest report detail was withheld from the public until released by President Trump in 2017. The evidence is clear. Arresting officers Hodges and Davis wrote an arrest report on Amos that could not be true. They framed Amos to discredit him or to get him to change his testimony or silence him. By the early 1970s conspiracy theories of JFK was a cottage industry and discrediting such theories almost as important to some. Amos could not have been underneath that 1970 Javelin with the nuts in his hands. They were welded to the underbody and he would have had to be inside the Javelin to be removing the seats, not underneath it. Most likely the arresting officers didn’t know this and when the error became apparent it was hidden from the public for over 50 years.

By 1979, the United States House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) agreed with the Warren Commission that Oswald did, in fact, assassinate Kennedy, but concluded that the Commission’s report and the original FBI investigation were seriously flawed. The HSCA concluded that at least four shots were fired with a “high probability” that two gunmen fired at the President,

via @guccifer4 (twitter)

Most interesting,any chance you can post the link to the article and documents?
Thank you and welcome to ROKC!

go ahead and copy and past them from my blog. I am new member and can't post links.

which blog?
the link from your twitter profile cannot be reached.

it's my pinned tweet. again I cant include any link.

New members cannot post any links etc. for the first week, due to spam control settings.
The link has been added in the post you made and here it is again

https://thewitness.home.blog/2018/11/22/the-witness/

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2022/docid-32264193.pdf