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Tom Scully wrote:"U.S. Marine Corps or U.S. Marine Corps Reserve for Extended Active Duty."

beowulf wrote:Hypothetically, eh.  For absolutely no particular reason. I know precisely what you're talking about (and this is the one opportunity I'll ever have to share this) but, alas, you're off-base. The National Security Training Corps (NSTC) was written into law (where it sits today) but was never stood up because back in the 1950s Congress didn't pass the required follow on legislation.

President Truman (himself a reserve Army officer who fought in WWI) was a big big fan of Universal Military Training.  Every young man coming out of high school would spend 6 to 12 months receiving military training. The Pentagon didn't like Universal Service because they needed fewer men but for longer time (the "Selective Service" draft we had till the end of the Vietnam War would induct men for 2 years at a time) .  The Pentagon also didn't like the UMT men couldn't be deployed outside the US and they were not part of any branch of the military but would be in the aforementioned National Security Training Corps.  I forget offhand (yes this is all from memory)  if it passed in Truman's administration or at the beginning of Eisenhower's, but opponents of the bill added a poison pill; sure you can have your UMT bill but we'll need a presidential commission come up with rules of discipline (and settle other bureaucratic details arising because it'd be a new military service). Only after we ratify that report can you start the show.  Naturally, Congress ignored the commission report and never voted to stand up the National Security Training Corps.  Its a dead letter, like the United States Court for China, well deader than that because the China Court once actually existed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Court_for_China

I assure you the NSTC  is one group that did not play a role in Dallas.  Ahh, here's a pdf link to an academic paper about UMT and the sad, stillborn fate of the NSTC.
http://shfg.org/shfg/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Sager.pdf

beowulf wrote:OK after that data dump, I'd just point out the rest of your theory could be correct, if we amend it to reflect that instead of being recruited and trained by a hypothetical corps he was recruited and trained by the actual Marine Corps.

Bear in mind, all legal authority to classify and declassify secret information rests with the president who delegates authority and set other rules by executive order. Just as (reportedly, at least) Queen Elizabeth doesn't have a passport, Barack Obama doesn't have a security clearance-- he's the guy who grants all security clearances.  So a secret mission to leak data contrary to the president's wishes would not actually be legal.

Oh, I'm with you on that. We're talking Ike's "Secret Team" here. It was very much with the president's wishes. And there was an exchange agreement which made it legal to share such things as "new" technology through certain specified avenues OR "by any other method agreed upon". It would explain why he was never charged, and would be a good way of of circumventing objections from the administration and Pentagon's many hawks.

The signing of this exchange agreement coincided with Oswald's "defection".

Trust me. Radar was THE key issue in getting the Soviets on board for a test ban treaty - regardless of what anyone else may have written or said. 

As a practical matter, a young Marine following orders in that case would never be prosecuted for it.  The order isn't intrinsically wrong, like a command to shoot POWs. A soldier ordered to leak information by his superior officers would have no way of knowing THEY were off the reservation and were giving an unlawful order.

That's just it - he wan't leaking information that could not have been given "over the counter". This was stuff that was already being shared with NATO allies. This was about getting the Soviets to sign off on a test ban treaty - WITHOUT losing too much advantage. That made it a perfect game of Nash's Equilibrium. Had the U2 not been scuttled, the Test Ban Treaty goes ahead AND the US maintains an advantages because the radar info being shared was already obsolete. They had the next generation ready to roll out.

greg parker wrote:

beowulf wrote:OK after that data dump, I'd just point out the rest of your theory could be correct, if we amend it to reflect that instead of being recruited and trained by a hypothetical corps he was recruited and trained by the actual Marine Corps.

Bear in mind, all legal authority to classify and declassify secret information rests with the president who delegates authority and set other rules by executive order. Just as (reportedly, at least) Queen Elizabeth doesn't have a passport, Barack Obama doesn't have a security clearance-- he's the guy who grants all security clearances.  So a secret mission to leak data contrary to the president's wishes would not actually be legal.

Oh, I'm with you on that. We're talking Ike's "Secret Team" here. It was very much with the president's wishes. And there was an exchange agreement which made it legal to share such things as "new" technology through certain specified avenues OR "by any other method agreed upon". It would explain why he was never charged, and would be a good way of of circumventing objections from the administration and Pentagon's many hawks.

The signing of this exchange agreement coincided with Oswald's "defection".

Trust me. Radar was THE key issue in getting the Soviets on board for a test ban treaty - regardless of what anyone else may have written or said. 

As a practical matter, a young Marine following orders in that case would never be prosecuted for it.  The order isn't intrinsically wrong, like a command to shoot POWs. A soldier ordered to leak information by his superior officers would have no way of knowing THEY were off the reservation and were giving an unlawful order.

That's just it - he wan't leaking information that could not have been given "over the counter" and was already being shared with NATO allies. This was about getting the Soviets to sign off on a test ban treaty - WITHOUT losing too much advantage. That made it a perfect game of Nash's Equilibrium. Had the U2 not been scuttled, the Test Ban Treaty goes ahead AND the US maintains an advantages because the radar info being shared was already obsolete. They had the next generation ready to roll out.

beowulf wrote:Its an open question though whether the secret team was working for Eisenhower or the Dulles brothers (Allen at CIA, John Foster at State for most of Ike's presidency).  Ike was not happy that U2 was shot down, leaving him humiliated at his summit with Khrushchev.

"During World War II, I worked this technique with a vulnerable Marine lieutenant I’ll call Jones. Under the watchful eye of Marine intelligence I split his personality into Jones A and Jones B. Jones A, once a 'normal' working Marine, became entirely different. He talked communist doctrine and meant it. He was welcomed enthusiastically by communist cells, and was deliberately given a dishonorable discharge by the Corps (which was in on the plot) and became a card-carrying party member. All I had to do was hypnotize the whole man, get in touch with Jones B, the loyal American, and I had a pipeline straight into the Communist camp."