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Those Still Alive
Thu 03 Oct 2013, 7:33 pm
It has been nearly 50 years since the JFK Assassination, and many of those connected in some way or the other are dead.However there are still quite a few alive. I thought of compiling a list of those still alive.
Ruth and Michael Paine
Marina Oswald
Robert Oswald
Jim Leavelle
Clint Hill
Sylvia Odio
Julia Ann Mercer
Johnny Brewer
The Newmans
Hugh Ayensworth
Bob Huffacker
Etc
Please add any names that you might know of.
Ruth and Michael Paine
Marina Oswald
Robert Oswald
Jim Leavelle
Clint Hill
Sylvia Odio
Julia Ann Mercer
Johnny Brewer
The Newmans
Hugh Ayensworth
Bob Huffacker
Etc
Please add any names that you might know of.
Re: Those Still Alive
Thu 03 Oct 2013, 8:56 pm
I compiled a list a few years ago including contact details (which I won't post). It may be that some of these have since passed away...
Tim Prado Chapa went to Mex same day as LHO using military ID - searched for unsuccessfully by FBI
Lo-Ann Flettrich Daughter of WDSU reporter Terry Flettrich. Arranged interview w/former Guatamalan Pres. and author of The Shark and the Sardines, Juan Jose Arevalo for Terry and Johann Rush (late July, '63). The following month, Rush would film LHO in NO. Arevalo book borrowed by LHO Dallas Library.
Jerry Hannifin Reported (Oct. 23, 1975) "Lee Harvey Oswald made two trips to Mexico, calling at the Castro Cuban Embassy both times, and also attempting to visit Soviet Embassy."
William Joseph Hood CIA - Signed off on some CIA MC-HQ cables
Oscar Contreras Lartigue Leftist Law student, University of Mexico who stated Oswald said he was from California
Dr. Michael Maccoby in '63 conducted study in MC with Erich Fromm with help Quakers
Walter Macchan Ran Dallas Catholic Cuban Resettlement Mission
Ralph Myers Son of Ruby friend with army intel background
Dr. Ruth Ann Peters (nee Kloepfer) visited the Oswalds with sister and mother in New Orleans at the request of Ruth paine
Oran Pugh Made affidavit Aug 26, 1964 stating he did not recall being interviewed by Harold Feldman (NY Post) or anyone from Nation Magazine. Stated further that information he gave to reporters all came from his assistant, William Kline. This included that LHO checked into Public Health Service in Laredo upon re-entry to US and that Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) maintained a file with respect to Oswald's visit to the USSR, and his return to the United States together with his wife and child. See also Kline entry - Kline had denied having any such knowledge. CE 1141 confirms that INS did have a file on Marina -- file # A 12530645.
Chris Smither Student at University of the Americas
Jan Smithers Worked at US Embassy in Mexico City 62-63
Gill Boehringer FPCC associated in San Fran and now resident in Australia
Michael Cain Half brother to Ricahrd Cain
Harry Dean we all know Harry
Robert Beatty Fennell Arrested for threatening life of LBJ in '64. Associated with FPCC and former USAF radar operator
Richard Gibson Took over FPCC in '61 for a period. CIA asset
Van Gosse Wrote book about FPCC "Where the Boys Are
Lawrence Keenan FBI agent
Arnold Kessler Investigated as possible LHO look-alike in MC
George Lakey Peace activist. Taught how demonstrators how to resist interrogation.
Brad Lyttle Organized peace walks - possible LHO sightings among them
Enrique y Villalon Menacol Cuban exile
Priscilla Johnson McMillan We all know Miss Prissy
Terry Neist Ex FBI COINTELPRO
Fred Powledge Journalist who covered the asassination
Alan Sagner FPCC co-founder
Wynne Sharples ex wife of George DeM
William Szili Involved (possibly innocently) in REDWOOD type incident at Gitmo early 60s
Hal Verb Former FBI informant
Ben Wildavsky Journalist and a bit player in the Alcarez story
Bill Wingell Photographer known for his photography at various 60s 70s protest rallies and marches
Tim Prado Chapa went to Mex same day as LHO using military ID - searched for unsuccessfully by FBI
Lo-Ann Flettrich Daughter of WDSU reporter Terry Flettrich. Arranged interview w/former Guatamalan Pres. and author of The Shark and the Sardines, Juan Jose Arevalo for Terry and Johann Rush (late July, '63). The following month, Rush would film LHO in NO. Arevalo book borrowed by LHO Dallas Library.
Jerry Hannifin Reported (Oct. 23, 1975) "Lee Harvey Oswald made two trips to Mexico, calling at the Castro Cuban Embassy both times, and also attempting to visit Soviet Embassy."
William Joseph Hood CIA - Signed off on some CIA MC-HQ cables
Oscar Contreras Lartigue Leftist Law student, University of Mexico who stated Oswald said he was from California
Dr. Michael Maccoby in '63 conducted study in MC with Erich Fromm with help Quakers
Walter Macchan Ran Dallas Catholic Cuban Resettlement Mission
Ralph Myers Son of Ruby friend with army intel background
Dr. Ruth Ann Peters (nee Kloepfer) visited the Oswalds with sister and mother in New Orleans at the request of Ruth paine
Oran Pugh Made affidavit Aug 26, 1964 stating he did not recall being interviewed by Harold Feldman (NY Post) or anyone from Nation Magazine. Stated further that information he gave to reporters all came from his assistant, William Kline. This included that LHO checked into Public Health Service in Laredo upon re-entry to US and that Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) maintained a file with respect to Oswald's visit to the USSR, and his return to the United States together with his wife and child. See also Kline entry - Kline had denied having any such knowledge. CE 1141 confirms that INS did have a file on Marina -- file # A 12530645.
Chris Smither Student at University of the Americas
Jan Smithers Worked at US Embassy in Mexico City 62-63
Gill Boehringer FPCC associated in San Fran and now resident in Australia
Michael Cain Half brother to Ricahrd Cain
Harry Dean we all know Harry
Robert Beatty Fennell Arrested for threatening life of LBJ in '64. Associated with FPCC and former USAF radar operator
Richard Gibson Took over FPCC in '61 for a period. CIA asset
Van Gosse Wrote book about FPCC "Where the Boys Are
Lawrence Keenan FBI agent
Arnold Kessler Investigated as possible LHO look-alike in MC
George Lakey Peace activist. Taught how demonstrators how to resist interrogation.
Brad Lyttle Organized peace walks - possible LHO sightings among them
Enrique y Villalon Menacol Cuban exile
Priscilla Johnson McMillan We all know Miss Prissy
Terry Neist Ex FBI COINTELPRO
Fred Powledge Journalist who covered the asassination
Alan Sagner FPCC co-founder
Wynne Sharples ex wife of George DeM
William Szili Involved (possibly innocently) in REDWOOD type incident at Gitmo early 60s
Hal Verb Former FBI informant
Ben Wildavsky Journalist and a bit player in the Alcarez story
Bill Wingell Photographer known for his photography at various 60s 70s protest rallies and marches
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Re: Those Still Alive
Thu 03 Oct 2013, 11:15 pm
George H W Bush.
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Re: Those Still Alive
Sat 12 Oct 2013, 9:42 pm
Thanks Greg.
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Re: Those Still Alive
Sun 13 Oct 2013, 10:08 am
Bill Moyers - has anyone ever pressured him to tell the truth about how he, Katzenbach, Hoover, and LBJ decided to close off the investigation after LHO was murdered?
Re: Those Still Alive
Mon 14 Oct 2013, 8:25 pm
I believe former DPD Officer Ray Hawkins, who handcuffed Oswald inside the Texas Theatre, is also still alive. News reporters Jim Ewell and Kent Biffle are also still alive.
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Re: Those Still Alive
Wed 13 Nov 2013, 9:22 pm
Some more names.
Winston Lawson
Amos Euins
Sylvia Duran
Carlos Bringuier
Winston Lawson
Amos Euins
Sylvia Duran
Carlos Bringuier
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Re: Those Still Alive
Wed 08 Jan 2014, 1:39 am
Some more
Mary Moorman
Bobby Baker
Marita Lorenz
Mary Moorman
Bobby Baker
Marita Lorenz
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Re: Those Still Alive
Wed 09 Nov 2016, 3:06 pm
Joe Molina
Danny Arce
James Darnell
Soledad Molina
Danny Arce
James Darnell
Soledad Molina
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Re: Those Still Alive
Sat 26 Nov 2016, 9:52 pm
Arnold Rowland
Has anybody talked to him for 53 years except FBI ?
Has anybody talked to him for 53 years except FBI ?
Re: Those Still Alive
Sun 27 Nov 2016, 9:17 am
I tracked down his email address a few years ago, but he never responded to the any of the emails I sent. Hard to blame him.Faroe Islander wrote:Arnold Rowland
Has anybody talked to him for 53 years except FBI ?
But if anyone else wants a crack at it, PM me...
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Re: Those Still Alive
Sun 27 Nov 2016, 11:02 am
Thanks Greg,
As Barry Ernest said "one has to always be careful of what surviving witnesses say today. As evidence evolves, so does the possibility of exaggeration and embellishment. I’ve found first-day statements (if they exist) are usually the most reliable"
But I am always willing to contact witnesses to fill them in on recent discoveries and get details about locations, other witnesses, etc.
Details help understand the subject better and are different than late arriving recollections.
We know Rowland was not looking at Oswald as Oswald was on the ground floor, domino room, and at or near entrance during this time period. Would be great to show him Prayer Man.
Keep me informed if you have a current addy, email or phone and I'll do the dialing.
Thanks JFK Student!
Cheers, Ed
As Barry Ernest said "one has to always be careful of what surviving witnesses say today. As evidence evolves, so does the possibility of exaggeration and embellishment. I’ve found first-day statements (if they exist) are usually the most reliable"
But I am always willing to contact witnesses to fill them in on recent discoveries and get details about locations, other witnesses, etc.
Details help understand the subject better and are different than late arriving recollections.
We know Rowland was not looking at Oswald as Oswald was on the ground floor, domino room, and at or near entrance during this time period. Would be great to show him Prayer Man.
Keep me informed if you have a current addy, email or phone and I'll do the dialing.
Thanks JFK Student!
Cheers, Ed
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Re: Those Still Alive
Mon 21 Aug 2017, 5:11 am
I know that I have never posted, but I have verifiable proof that Ken Kaffke, son of Robert Kaffke, died 8/18/17. He had been living in San Francisco for the last 50 years now, and was heavy in the music scene and complaining about politics. And having a penchant for the macabre and dark. He was a collector of comic books and Monsters! paraphernalia. He never followed in the activism his father did. He talked about it, but never had an active hand.
-A family member.
-A family member.
Re: Those Still Alive
Mon 21 Aug 2017, 7:59 am
Thanks Rad,rado9292 wrote:I know that I have never posted, but I have verifiable proof that Ken Kaffke, son of Robert Kaffke, died 8/18/17. He had been living in San Francisco for the last 50 years now, and was heavy in the music scene and complaining about politics. And having a penchant for the macabre and dark. He was a collector of comic books and Monsters! paraphernalia. He never followed in the activism his father did. He talked about it, but never had an active hand.
-A family member.
the list I made is quite a few years old now, so I was expecting that a few should no longer be on it. I will take him off.
Is there anything regarding Robert you can share with us?
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Re: Those Still Alive
Mon 21 Aug 2017, 9:24 am
I have some archival data of his life- I will scroll through it and let you know
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Mon 21 Aug 2017, 9:29 am
Thanks again. Appreciate anything, especially if it helps correct any misinformation out there about him.rado9292 wrote:I have some archival data of his life- I will scroll through it and let you know
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Re: Those Still Alive
Tue 27 Feb 2018, 11:12 pm
Some of these have since died.
Joe Molina
Robert Oswald
Ray Hawkins
Bobby Baker
James Darnell
Joe Molina
Robert Oswald
Ray Hawkins
Bobby Baker
James Darnell
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Re: Those Still Alive
Sat 21 Jul 2018, 12:53 am
Some more have died
Bob Huffaker
Michael Paine
Bob Huffaker
Michael Paine
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Re: Those Still Alive
Fri 27 Jul 2018, 8:39 am
Bernardo De Torres may still be around as well.
Re: Those Still Alive
Fri 27 Jul 2018, 3:18 pm
Correct
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Re: Those Still Alive
Fri 27 Jul 2018, 8:45 pm
Danny Arce
Roy Lewis
Marie Tippit
Roy Lewis
Marie Tippit
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Re: Those Still Alive
Mon 18 Nov 2019, 12:52 am
Some have recently died and are no longer on the list.
Jim Leavelle
Marita Lorenz
Winston Lawson
Jim Leavelle
Marita Lorenz
Winston Lawson
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Re: Those Still Alive
Thu 25 Jun 2020, 7:59 pm
Antonio Veciana passed away recently.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article243662282.html
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article243662282.html
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Re: Those Still Alive
Thu 25 Jun 2020, 9:50 pm
Vecianas an enigma..
His story became a central plank in the mainstream research narrative revolving around Phillips, the FPCC and Kubark .
So much credibility was invested in him due to Fonzis reputation.
So much so the whole Maurice Bishop angle has become deeply ingrained in the bedrock of the putative conspiracy. Almost becoming one of the Ten commandments of conspiracy..
Thou shalt not question Maurice Bishop...
I'm afraid to say Wynne Johnson strikes me as someone with a wildly overactive imagination..
Putting it bluntly his story is a crock of shit like all similar tales it's started to grow arms and legs, and depressingly familiar Juddufki shaped tendrils...
Juddufki confirms Wynne and Wynne confirms Juddufki..oh by the way I just remembered that the third man was Mac Wallace and some spooky Men in Black like entity threatened my girlfriend who knew too much..
And round we go do so do .. choose your partner's for the conspiracy polka..
The instant anyone asks for factual corroboration dark cries waft up from the orchestra pit
" Disinformation agent . COINTELPRO.. we're trying to out the Military Industrial Congressional Complex cried Fezzo working himself up into a delirium of self righteous indignation..
Maybe Phillips was Bishop. Maybe he wasn't. But if he WAS , if he was involved, even peripherally with Oswald then surely meeting the scheduled patsy in a public place right weeks or so before the attempted assassination of a sitting American president rules him out of being involved in the conspiracy itself. Maybe both Phillips and Vecianas, or maybe just one of them were being set up. Or maybe they were there to discuss something else entirely. Cuban affairs, the price of coffee in New Orleans.." Say Tony , Riley coffee is sure starting to taste like mouse piss"
Or maybe they were just phantoms.. conjured up by the same folks that brought you HARVEY and the Bradenton Bunch .
This is what I meant about " researchers" operating in a Dreamworld.
A fantasy kingdom where no laws exist.. Newtonian laws, tradecraft even the fundamental physical laws that govern the universe...they can be bent or dismissed at will.
No one's allowed to act like a human, possess human frailties or have simple human motives.
No one's allowed to make any mistakes...
I find John Newman's, and to a lesser extent Tracy Parnell's research pretty compelling.
Much of Vecianas tale has already been questioned, large parts having been utterly compromised.
Like the Ruth Paine/ Allen Dulles link it's highly possible the Vecianas/ Bishop story was a false trail, designed to implicate false sponsors .
Accusing " the CIA" or the MIC complex or the Mafia, the FBI etc of assassinating JFK is as pointless as accusing LHO..
I pay attention to Newman because he understands the arcane inner workings of the oxymoronically titled intelligence community.
He knows what it is he's looking at, and looking for.
But of course that doesn't mean hesh an all knowing oracle..
Everyone can be mistaken..sadly too many people lack the integrity to admit their mistakes..and thus the mistakes remain uncorrected, passing into conspiracy lore; to be resurrected when someone needs to salvage a crumbling pet theory.
IMHO opinion Vecianas had some vital information, perhaps he was even acquainted with some of the lesser figures who hovered round the edges of the conspiracy... the flotsam of history.
Was he involved with the Agency. Probably in some limited capacity... was he involved with Army Intel? Definitely.
Like all good disinformation his story probably mixed up a little truth with the lies .
As to his motivation?
I guess that's the real question.
In some respects the conspiracy was like an onion.. different layers of false sponsors..CIA LBJ etc to be peeled away when needed..the bitter sting causing tears that further obscure the vision of the peelers...
The nearer to the core .the more compelling the layers become...
His story became a central plank in the mainstream research narrative revolving around Phillips, the FPCC and Kubark .
So much credibility was invested in him due to Fonzis reputation.
So much so the whole Maurice Bishop angle has become deeply ingrained in the bedrock of the putative conspiracy. Almost becoming one of the Ten commandments of conspiracy..
Thou shalt not question Maurice Bishop...
I'm afraid to say Wynne Johnson strikes me as someone with a wildly overactive imagination..
Putting it bluntly his story is a crock of shit like all similar tales it's started to grow arms and legs, and depressingly familiar Juddufki shaped tendrils...
Juddufki confirms Wynne and Wynne confirms Juddufki..oh by the way I just remembered that the third man was Mac Wallace and some spooky Men in Black like entity threatened my girlfriend who knew too much..
And round we go do so do .. choose your partner's for the conspiracy polka..
The instant anyone asks for factual corroboration dark cries waft up from the orchestra pit
" Disinformation agent . COINTELPRO.. we're trying to out the Military Industrial Congressional Complex cried Fezzo working himself up into a delirium of self righteous indignation..
Maybe Phillips was Bishop. Maybe he wasn't. But if he WAS , if he was involved, even peripherally with Oswald then surely meeting the scheduled patsy in a public place right weeks or so before the attempted assassination of a sitting American president rules him out of being involved in the conspiracy itself. Maybe both Phillips and Vecianas, or maybe just one of them were being set up. Or maybe they were there to discuss something else entirely. Cuban affairs, the price of coffee in New Orleans.." Say Tony , Riley coffee is sure starting to taste like mouse piss"
Or maybe they were just phantoms.. conjured up by the same folks that brought you HARVEY and the Bradenton Bunch .
This is what I meant about " researchers" operating in a Dreamworld.
A fantasy kingdom where no laws exist.. Newtonian laws, tradecraft even the fundamental physical laws that govern the universe...they can be bent or dismissed at will.
No one's allowed to act like a human, possess human frailties or have simple human motives.
No one's allowed to make any mistakes...
I find John Newman's, and to a lesser extent Tracy Parnell's research pretty compelling.
Much of Vecianas tale has already been questioned, large parts having been utterly compromised.
Like the Ruth Paine/ Allen Dulles link it's highly possible the Vecianas/ Bishop story was a false trail, designed to implicate false sponsors .
Accusing " the CIA" or the MIC complex or the Mafia, the FBI etc of assassinating JFK is as pointless as accusing LHO..
I pay attention to Newman because he understands the arcane inner workings of the oxymoronically titled intelligence community.
He knows what it is he's looking at, and looking for.
But of course that doesn't mean hesh an all knowing oracle..
Everyone can be mistaken..sadly too many people lack the integrity to admit their mistakes..and thus the mistakes remain uncorrected, passing into conspiracy lore; to be resurrected when someone needs to salvage a crumbling pet theory.
IMHO opinion Vecianas had some vital information, perhaps he was even acquainted with some of the lesser figures who hovered round the edges of the conspiracy... the flotsam of history.
Was he involved with the Agency. Probably in some limited capacity... was he involved with Army Intel? Definitely.
Like all good disinformation his story probably mixed up a little truth with the lies .
As to his motivation?
I guess that's the real question.
In some respects the conspiracy was like an onion.. different layers of false sponsors..CIA LBJ etc to be peeled away when needed..the bitter sting causing tears that further obscure the vision of the peelers...
The nearer to the core .the more compelling the layers become...
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