William Morgan & Lee Oswald

greg parker wrote:Morgan had served in the army in Japan and received a dishonorable discharge. Oswald served in the Marines in Japan and received a dishonorable discharge.

Morgan went to Cuba to join the revolution in late 1957. Oswald went to Russia in late 1959 threatening to provide radar information to the Soviets.

Morgan stated in mid 1959 that he would "kill any American Marines" who attempted to invade Cuba or to interfere with Castro's objectives. Oswald wrote to his brother Robert that same year from Moscow that "In the event of war I would kill any American who put a uniform on in defense of the American Government – Any American."

A novel was written based on Morgan's exploits called "The Great American". A novel was written based on Oswald's exploits prior to the assassination called "The Idle Warriors"

Morgan is generally accepted as having been an agent of the CIA when he went to Cuba.

greg parker wrote:Morgan had served in the army in Japan and received a dishonorable discharge. Oswald served in the Marines in Japan and received a dishonorable discharge.

Morgan went to Cuba to join the revolution in late 1957. Oswald went to Russia in late 1959 threatening to provide radar information to the Soviets.

Morgan stated in mid 1959 that he would "kill any American Marines" who attempted to invade Cuba or to interfere with Castro's objectives. Oswald wrote to his brother Robert that same year from Moscow that "In the event of war I would kill any American who put a uniform on in defense of the American Government – Any American."

A novel was written based on Morgan's exploits called "The Great American". A novel was written based on Oswald's exploits prior to the assassination called "The Idle Warriors"

Morgan is generally accepted as having been an agent of the CIA when he went to Cuba.

M.Ellis wrote:

greg parker wrote:Morgan had served in the army in Japan and received a dishonorable discharge. Oswald served in the Marines in Japan and received a dishonorable discharge.

Morgan went to Cuba to join the revolution in late 1957. Oswald went to Russia in late 1959 threatening to provide radar information to the Soviets.

Morgan stated in mid 1959 that he would "kill any American Marines" who attempted to invade Cuba or to interfere with Castro's objectives. Oswald wrote to his brother Robert that same year from Moscow that "In the event of war I would kill any American who put a uniform on in defense of the American Government – Any American."

A novel was written based on Morgan's exploits called "The Great American". A novel was written based on Oswald's exploits prior to the assassination called "The Idle Warriors"

Morgan is generally accepted as having been an agent of the CIA when he went to Cuba.

Small point of correction, on 11 September, 1959, Oswald received a 'Hardship Discharge'. That was basically an an early 'honorable discharge' due to a hardship. He was released to inactive military reserve status. 

His discharge was changed to 'Undesirable' Discharge, almost one year later, on 13 September, 1960, after it was learned he defected to the USSR. 

Undesirable discharges no longer exist. Today, they're called 'Other than Honorable' discharges. Back then, they were given out for what was perceived as moral failings or unfitness for military. Back then, hey were also known as 'Section 8's' - drugs, homosexuality, defecting to the USSR, inter alia. They're handed down following an administrative proceeding - not a court martial.

On 20 June, 1962, LHO wrote to the Navy Discharge Review Board asking that his discharge be reviewed and changed back from 'undesirable' to what it had been originally. On 25 July, 1963, that request was denied. (Note: LHO wrote a handwritten brief to accompany his application. I think I will make an effort to read that.)

Undesirable discharges were considered a notch or two above Dishonorable Discharge, which was the lowest of the low. However, they could be disastrous to one's employment prospects because of the moral taint that accompanied them. 

A Dishonorable Discharge OTOH, could only given out following a judicial proceeding called a General Court Martial. So Morgan would have had to have been found guilty of some serious offense and likely done prison time, to merit a Dishonorable Discharge.


CE 780, 
Wiki on Military Discharges
Appendix 13, page 689, WC.
http://definitions.uslegal.com/u/undesirable-discharge/

A Dishonorable Discharge OTOH, could only given out following a judicial proceeding called a General Court Martial. So Morgan would have had to have been found guilty of some serious offense and likely done prison time, to merit a Dishonorable Discharge.

After only a few weeks in Japan, Morgan married an attractive Japanese woman who worked in a nightclub. A short while later, he went AWOL at least twice, was court-martialed on Nov. 7, 1947, and thrown into the Kyoto stockade for three months. He promptly escaped after overpowering a guard and stealing his uniform and weapon. Recaptured, he was again court-martialed, found guilty of escape, assault and robbery, and sentenced to five years of hard labor.

Declared a “recalcitrant military prisoner,” Morgan was transported to the maximum-security disciplinary barracks at Camp Cooke, Calif. (today Vandenberg Air Force Base). At Camp Cooke, he entertained other prisoners by spinning fanciful stories about his being a direct descendant of another William Morgan who, in 1826, became quite notorious after vanishing from his upstate New York home. Morgan’s chatter soon earned him the nickname “Gabby.”

After his sentence was reduced to three years, Morgan was transferred to the federal correctional institution in Chillicothe, Ohio. There he was placed in solitary confinement for attempting to escape, fighting and refusing to work. He spent his last months of imprisonment at the federal facility in Milan, Mich., and was released on April 11, 1950.

A confidential FBI memorandum dated May 5, 1959, states that Morgan was given a dishonorable discharge from the Army in 1950, and that “he reportedly is [a] veteran of the Korean War and is described as a judo expert.” Oddly, none of Morgan’s surviving family remember his being in Korea. His brother-in-law, Edric Costain, said, “I don’t know where that came from. He was an Army veteran, not one that anyone is very proud of, who had been in Japan, not Korea.”


Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2002/04/13606/#Pyyy6KB4FtlRS5xi.99

M.Ellis wrote:Interesting story about Morgan. He was no patsy. He was a real warrior. 

You can be both. He was executed after all.

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Re: The undesirable discharge, deMohrenschildt mentions a banker friend of his, who refused to give LHO a job. His final pretext was the undesirable discharge. 

If one were setting up a patsy, an undesirable discharge would fit right in with the defection to the Soviet Union. You start to get the picture of a morally unfit weird-o. 

But I wonder how did a guy with an undesirable discharge and a history of defection to the USSR get a trainee position at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall?

Strange. 

Agreed.

LHO's discharge was changed in September, 1960. John Connally did not become Secretary of the Navy until 1961 and only stayed eleven months in the job. LHO did not apply to change his dischrge until 20 June, 1962, long after Connally was gone.

It had nothing to do with Connally or the discharge status. 

So the idea that LHO blamed Connally for his discharge is not supported by the dates involved. 

His hand-written brief to the Navy was pretty good actually. Well-written. 

I've been told his discharge could easily have been fixed with help from competent attorney. The basis for it was in error. He had not defected.

greg parker wrote:

M.Ellis wrote:Interesting story about Morgan. He was no patsy. He was a real warrior. 

You can be both. He was executed after all.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=4975

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Re: The undesirable discharge, deMohrenschildt mentions a banker friend of his, who refused to give LHO a job. His final pretext was the undesirable discharge. 

If one were setting up a patsy, an undesirable discharge would fit right in with the defection to the Soviet Union. You start to get the picture of a morally unfit weird-o. 

But I wonder how did a guy with an undesirable discharge and a history of defection to the USSR get a trainee position at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall?

Strange. 

Agreed.

LHO's discharge was changed in September, 1960. John Connally did not become Secretary of the Navy until 1961 and only stayed eleven months in the job. LHO did not apply to change his dischrge until 20 June, 1962, long after Connally was gone.

It had nothing to do with Connally or the discharge status. 

So the idea that LHO blamed Connally for his discharge is not supported by the dates involved. 

His hand-written brief to the Navy was pretty good actually. Well-written. 

I've been told his discharge could easily have been fixed with help from competent attorney. The basis for it was in error. He had not defected.