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Post by greg parker on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 5:50 am

Last night before turning in I read a comment from Stan Dane that caused me do some checking - and bingo... information I've been searching for for an age was right there - and more. It was like picking a piece of your favorite fruit and finding a $100 note inside.

Anyhow, I slept on it to see if it still seemed so important this morning... and hell yeah, it does.

But it also lead to one further question...

Does anyone know if any political youth groups in the 1960s in the US wore uniforms?

As a backstop, if none in the US, what about anywhere else?

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Post by Stan Dane on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 7:49 am

I don't know of any political youth groups in the US, much less those who wore uniforms (a la Hitler Youth-style). The only uniform-wearing US youth group I can think of is the Boy Scouts, but they weren't political (at least as far as I can tell).

I'm curious where you're going here.

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Post by Paul Francisco Paso on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 7:58 am

The only one that comes to my mind is The Black Panther Movement. Although I am not entirely sure they could be considered a youth group. They certainly attracted poor inner city black youngsters and you could perhaps argue they were their intended targets. Their very "cool" and menacing urban guerrilla uniform certainly would have appealed to that demographic.

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Post by greg parker on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 8:50 am

Thanks Paul,

looking for a white person, though.

And the field is wide open.

http://histclo.com/youth/youth/org/youth.htm

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Post by greg parker on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 9:40 am

Stan Dane wrote:I don't know of any political youth groups in the US, much less those who wore uniforms (a la Hitler Youth-style). The only uniform-wearing US youth group I can think of is the Boy Scouts, but they weren't political (at least as far as I can tell).

I'm curious where you're going here.
Stan,

we may be getting tripped up by the term "youth". Think "teen" or "young adult". Plenty of groups formed around political and/or religious-politico doctrine. Some did wear uniforms. Does make it easier to identify your patsy.

Has to do with timelines. I know some people get upset about stuff being saved for books - but it ain't about money - I'm still in the red from the first one - it's about making the biggest impact you can make. The forum has it's purpose on the road to Damascus, but putting everything on here will not itself, get us where we want to be. Maybe the books won't either, but they have a far better chance.

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Post by Stan Dane on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 11:15 am

I got it. It has to do with Walt Brown's Master Chronology Band (and whatnot).
 
Challenge: Find "Jelly Roll Rock" on the timeline. Ready, begin!



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Post by Steve Logan on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 11:18 am

greg parker wrote:Last night before turning in I read a comment from Stan Dane that caused me do some checking - and bingo... information I've been searching for for an age was right there - and more. It was like picking a piece of your favorite fruit and finding a $100 note inside.

Anyhow, I slept on it to see if it still seemed so important this morning... and hell yeah, it does.

But it also lead to one further question...

Does anyone know if any political youth groups in the 1960s in the US wore uniforms?

As a backstop, if none in the US, what about anywhere else?

The Junior Reserve Officers' Training Corps came into being with the passage of the National Defense Act of 1916. It was originally started by Army Captain Alden Patridge by the National Defense Act of 1916. The focus of JROTC was on secondary schools (Grades 9-12). Under the provisions of the 1916 act, high schools were authorized the loan of federal military equipment and the assignment of active or retired military personnel as instructors on the condition that they followed a prescribed course of training and maintained a minimum enrollment of 100 students over 14 years of age.

The ROTC starts at age 17 or Freshman year in College.

And yes they wear/wore the uniforms related to which branch of the military they wish to train for.

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Post by greg parker on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 11:25 am

Thanks Steve! I wouldn't count that as political - but then, that was guess-work on my part.

Was it allowable to wear the uniform in public away from ROTC training?

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Post by Steve Logan on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 11:43 am

greg parker wrote:Thanks Steve! I wouldn't count that as political - but then, that was guess-work on my part.

Was it allowable to wear the uniform in public away from ROTC training?

I am not aware of any restrictions.

I can't remember any "uniformed " political youth groups during the early 60's in Boston. Although we did have an influx of blushing altar boys scampering about.

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Post by greg parker on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 12:20 pm

Steve Logan wrote:
greg parker wrote:Thanks Steve! I wouldn't count that as political - but then, that was guess-work on my part.

Was it allowable to wear the uniform in public away from ROTC training?

I am not aware of any restrictions.

I can't remember any "uniformed " political youth groups during the early 60's in Boston. Although we did have an influx of blushing altar boys scampering about.
Thanks Steve, very helpful.

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Post by Guest on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 1:02 pm

Greg,

     Several youth groups wore uniforms. Anti-ROTC demonstrators wore uniforms in some instances. The Civil Air Patrol was a national organization that had a uniform, the U.S. Naval Cadet Corps, and other branch youth groups as well (some train as early as 11 years old in modern examples). I hope that helps a bit and congratulations on the find. It does feel good to hit gold on occasion.

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Post by greg parker on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 1:12 pm

Carmine Savastano wrote:Greg,

     Several youth groups wore uniforms. Anti-ROTC demonstrators wore uniforms in some instances. The Civil Air Patrol was a national organization that had a uniform, the U.S. Naval Cadet Corps, and other branch youth groups as well (some train as early as 11 years old in modern examples). I hope that helps a bit and congratulations on the find. It does feel good to hit gold on occasion.
Thanks Carmine,

have had a look online at some ROTC uniforms and one or two varieties kinda match what I'm looking for.

I joined the Australian Naval Cadets when I was 14... but didn't stay in it long enough to get a uniform... Shocked


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While looking down the corridor
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I'm looking for the Great Leap Forward

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Post by gerrrycam on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 11:58 pm


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Post by greg parker on Fri 15 Aug 2014, 7:29 am

Thanks Gerry!

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Post by Frankie Vegas on Fri 15 Aug 2014, 6:38 pm

I was part of the ATC air Training Corps as a kid/teen and we had a uniform. Not sure about polical ones of the 60's in America. Maybe flicking the question up on a few FB groups might help. Just because some members might have been part of those groups.

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Post by Guest on Tue 02 Sep 2014, 12:30 am

I briefly belonged to a catholic group known as the Squires. They were the youth version of the Knights of Columbus. We didnt have uniforms because we were too poor but the leader said other branches did have them.

Tradionally they werent political but if you mentioned the word abortion around them they got pretty political in a hurry.

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Post by Mark A. O'Blazney on Tue 02 Sep 2014, 1:09 am

Yes, that's when the lassies got sent off to one of the Magdalene Laundries, where their babies fetched a few quid after coming to terms with it all.  We are all hypocrites unless proven otherwise. 

 Never heard of the Squires, but I did have the honour of serving at funerals as an Arimathean, but not a Knight of Malta, who have their own passports, didyouknow?

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