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Was Chief Jesse Curry of the DPD corrupt?

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Was Chief Jesse Curry of the DPD corrupt?

Post by Guest on Wed 27 Aug 2014, 1:55 am

Here is Chief Jesse Curry, trying to tell us that "only four" of his officers knew Jack Ruby and had passes to the Carousel Club.



Of course, we know that Chief Jesse Curry is lying through his teeth in this particular video.

We know, based on the testimony of over a dozen witnesses, that there were over 600 officers on the Dallas Police Department, that had free passes to Jack Ruby's Carousel Club, and therefore must have known Jack Ruby personally (because Jack Ruby was the only one giving out the passes).

Question: is Curry just trying to protect his department in this video, or is there any corroborating evidence that he was actually corrupt?

Do we have any suggestive information that might place Curry under the control of Jack Ruby and the mafia?

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Post by beowulf on Wed 27 Aug 2014, 3:47 am

Even if Curry wasn't himself corrupted by Ruby and/or the Mafia, he has a personal interest (to wit, keeping his job) in downplaying any evidence that officers under his command were corrupt.

After the fact, like any sensible man would be, Curry appears to have been a CTer.

"Curry emphasizes that the security provided by Lawson was heavy except the "short stretch of Elm Street where the President was shot." Curry notes that the Texas Book Depository was "virtually ignored."...  Curry saw signs of a conspiracy in other aspects of the case as well. For example, Curry points to numerous facts and reports which indicated that the President was hit from the front. He also notes that a picture of the Book Depository shows a man who looks like Oswald standing in front at the time the President was killed."
http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKcurryJ.htm

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Re: Was Chief Jesse Curry of the DPD corrupt?

Post by Guest on Wed 27 Aug 2014, 5:32 am

Beowulf,

               I agree. It was in the interest of many officials to conceal their incompetence and the feasible intent of a few was also concealed in my view.

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Re: Was Chief Jesse Curry of the DPD corrupt?

Post by capone81 on Wed 27 Aug 2014, 11:41 am

I think Jesse Curry was just trying to do damage control and protect the Dallas PD but he was in over his head.

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Re: Was Chief Jesse Curry of the DPD corrupt?

Post by Guest on Thu 28 Aug 2014, 7:39 am

So y'all are saying Curry wasn't really "corrupt", just mainly CYA?

How about Sheriff Bill Decker/ Did he just want to keep his job too?

The vehemence of the government's coverup is still surprising, even if it's personal interests that are in play. I mean, how can I say this... our government tends to use a "graduated response" when it comes to the time and money and resources they're willing to expend in any particular direction - and they've spent a lot of time and money and effort covering up the JFK thing.

If there was a "small" conspiracy, it must have been someone important.

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Re: Was Chief Jesse Curry of the DPD corrupt?

Post by Guest on Thu 28 Aug 2014, 10:36 am

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/decker.htm
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Mr. HUBERT - What would normally happen in circumstances such as we are dealing with here, where warrants were issued about 7 o'clock in one case, as to Tippit, and a little later about 11 o'clock on the 22d of November, as to the death of the President, what would be the normal situation as to your getting control and custody and your becoming the keeper of these prisoners?
Mr. DECKER - The whole thing would be that if we, if those warrants had come through the regular channels to us, we would have contacted--I imagine we would have contacted Captain Fritz because it was a homicide and that is in his division, and asked him about the prisoner and discussed with him if he was ready for transfer--if he was going to transfer or did he want us to transfer. That would have been the normal procedure with us.
Mr. HUBERT - In other words, it is normal to have them transfer the prisoner to you, rather than for you to go and get them, or both?
Mr. DECKER - No; it is normal but it is not too much they transfer maybe one-tenth of maybe 1 percent, but as hot a piece of merchandise as this prisoner was, chances are Captain Fritz and his men would have attempted to bring him from the city hall to the courthouse.
Mr. HUBERT - In other words, except in rare instances, meaning a situation of this sort, you send your men to the city jail to get them?
Mr. DECKER - Day in and day out.
We have a paddy wagon for that purpose and a driver for the purpose and uniforms and insignias and all on it.
Mr. HUBERT - Now, when did you make any efforts to take custody of Oswald?
Mr. DECKER - I can't tell you that as to when--the homicide occurred and the boy was taken in custody in the afternoon and that was on a Friday--I'm not going to tell you for certain because there was so much and on Friday afternoon we were taking statements in my office you know--this thing happened, occurred just across the street from my office and we moved all the witnesses when we were on the ground there at the scene, all the witnesses we could locate I was working there and I had Inspector Sawyer, who is there with me, and also Heitman of the FBI and my assistant chief deputy, and every witness, just as we picked up a witness that had any information at all, we sent him directly across the street to my office and reduced his statement to writing. Then, I talked to Fritz after he arrived.
We had by then located the gun and the ammunition, my officers had located it in the building, and was awaiting the arrival of the scene searchers and also the arrival of my scene searchers and Fritz arrived and then I talked to Fritz and then we went across the street and he phoned and that's when I learned Oswald had been formerly employed there at that building.
And, Fritz went to the city--now, here's something I'm uncertain about--whether I talked to him that afternoon or the next day about this removal, I cannot tell you because there was so much happening and so much press in our hair, I couldn't say, but I did discuss with him and advise with that I wished to be notified when he started to move this boy, so that I would have my security in shape to receive him when he arrived there.
Mr. HUBERT - You think that was no later than Saturday, the 23d?
Mr. DECKER - Oh, no; it wasn't. I don't think it was any later than that--no.
Mr. HUBERT - In other words, as I understood you, you couldn't tell whether it was on Friday or Saturday, but it could not have been Sunday?
Mr. DECKER - No; it wasn't Sunday. I remember there were different conversations on Sunday, different conversations on Saturday and different conversations on Saturday night.
Mr. HUBERT - Well, now, perhaps if you can, you can tell us about these various conversations, if you remember them- -who they were with and about what time?
Mr. DECKER - Well, on Saturday, the homicide, I believe, if I'm correct--now, the date of the homicide of Oswald was what?
Mr. HUBERT - It was Sunday the 24th.
Mr. DECKER - The 24th--Sunday. Friday, after we had completed our investigation and gotten our files together to some extent, we then closed shop, shall we say, and went back into our routine work, and on Saturday arrival at our office we then again, I'm reasonably sure that was the day, we talked about moving Oswald but I just don't remember. That's one of those- 'things you just don't remember the date.
Mr. HUBERT - But you talked to Fritz?
Mr. DECKER - That's when I talked to Fritz.
Mr. HUBERT - What did Fritz tell you, do you know?
Mr. DECKER - He said he would notify me when he was ready to move.
Mr. HUBERT - He wasn't ready at that time?
Mr. DECKER - He wasn't ready at that time, witnesses were being brought in, he was still interviewing witnesses. Now, then, later that afternoon the rumor was out that they were going to bring him down---of course, we had rumors, rumors, rumors all the day, because we had worldwide press and they were in the city hall, you couldn't get in the city hall for them and they were running back and forth down to our pressroom, and this word was here that they were coming, so late that afternoon, on Saturday, Jim Kerr was the first man that brought me the date of the 10 o'clock transfer Sunday morning. Jim Kerr is associated with channel 5, and there were several of the pressmen in my office and members of my staff and we were discussing it and later in the evening, later about 9 o'clock it was getting on to be, and he notified us they were going to move in and I think I then confirmed that with someone in the city and they said yes---the next morning at 10 o'clock and then I went to my home.
Mr. HUBERT - Did they say "Next morning at 10," or not before 107
Mr. DECKER - They said "around 10 o'clock."
Mr. HUBERT - You got that, though, from newsmen, you think?
Mr. DECKER - Jim Kerr is the man that gave me the information.
Mr. HUBERT - You didn't talk to Fritz or Curry about that?
Mr. DECKER - No; but I checked it up at the city with somebody there, and I don't know who it was now.
Mr. HUBERT - You, yourself, don't know who it was?
Mr. DECKER - I checked it on the telephone....
....Mr. HUBERT - All right, sir; go ahead.
Mr. DECKER - At the outside drive, or at the entrance to my carport--I moved a couple of my men--four or five of my special men there to be sure that it was clear when the man did arrive. I had been notified by Curry that maybe they would bring him down in an armored car and I had some other rumors--they would be bringing him in a car,.....

Beginning on 27 November, Decker had obstructed the investigation into the transfer. This had the consequence of shielding Curry's decisions and actions.
The WC got him to confirm that he had, in his later testimony. The WC did not pursue this further, protecting Curry for all time..:


http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/decker.htm
..........
Mr. HUBERT - I should like to ask you, sir, if these documents are fair statements of the interviews that you had with the FBI agents indicated?
Mr. DECKER - Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT - Are they correct?
Mr. DECKER - Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT - Have you any comment to make with respect to either one of them?
Mr. DECKER - No, sir; I think they speak for themselves, sir.
Mr. HUBERT - May I ask if you have any particular comment, sheriff, to make with regard to the last paragraph of exhibit 5321, which reads in part as follows: "Sheriff Decker stated that he had no desire to discuss this matter further and does not desire to furnish any details of the conversations he had with the Police Department and declined to say whether he advised the Police Department he had a preference as to the time of day the transfer of the prisoner should be made."
Mr. DECKER - That was a telephone conversation. I had an office full of people and that's what it was and I didn't make any statement--no more than I made directly to you here about the call, and which McCoy made, which is a statement which you have from McCoy in your flies.
Mr. HUBERT - As I understand it, then, your explanation of the paragraph is that you did not wish to discuss the matter further over the telephone and in the presence of the people who were there?
Mr. DECKER - Well, I don't believe I went that far. I just said I didn't care to discuss it any further and I got my friend Neeley off the line. That's all there was to it. And I never had the opportunity to talk to him afterward again until I met him several days ago, you know, he works in north Texas and is in and out, but that's all the conversation he and I had--what you have there.
Mr. HUBERT - Well, what I had in mind to ask you was this: On the face of the paragraph that I have just read from Exhibit 5321, it looks like there was an attitude on your part that you didn't wish to cooperate with the FBI--I am just simply wanting to get the record straight from your point of view--as to what was your intention.
Mr. DECKER - As I said at that time I didn't care to discuss it any further at that time. That's all there is to .it.
Mr. HUBERT - Yes; I understand, but this paragraph is correct and stands as it is?
Mr. DECKER - Yes, sir; I did not--at that time I didn't discuss it. There was no reason to go into why, and why--I told him my reasons a moment ago.
Mr. HUBERT - Now, sheriff, I have noticed that you have looked from time to time at a book which I gather must be your own or the official record?.......


http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/waldo.htm
TESTIMONY OF THAYER WALDO
The testimony of Thayer Waldo was taken a.t 12:50 p.m., on June 27, 1964,
......Mr. HUBERT. It was just that you had arrived at that time?
Mr. WALDO. Well, we had arrived some time earlier and had seen the preparations. I had gone upstairs and checked Chief Curry's office and had been told that it would be half to three-quarters of an hour yet before the prisoner would be removed. This was at the time that I arrived over there on Commerce Street from the hotel, and that everybody would be notified before there was any movement, so since it was a pleasant morning, we were standing out on the sidewalk--the three of us.
Mr. HUBERT. Were you told it was going to be by elevator down-into-the
basement and then through the basement ramps out Commerce Street?
Mr. WALDO. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Who told you that, sir?
Mr. WALDO. As I recall it, it was Lieutenant Butler himself, who was on the third floor at the time I went up, and I would like to for whatever it's worth, add something at this point. Lieutenant Butler was since, oh, probably 2:30 on the afternoon of the 22d of November, the man whom I had sought out on every occasion that I wanted to learn something about developments, whenever I could find him, because he was a man of remarkable equanimity, poise, and very cooperative within the authorization that he had, and the first thing----
Mr. HUBERT. You mean he would give you more news than anybody else?
Mr. WALDO. He was more able to understand what was wanted and he was always in on, apparently, on high-level information, and if it was for release, he would be the one who would have it and be most willing apparently to give
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it. This is a thing that happens in circumstances like this. A reporter picks out a man, tries him out, and if he finds that he's cooperative the first time, he tries to stick to him, because by that time the official recognizes his face.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you find that other officials were not so cooperative?
Mr. WALDO. I would say, yes, to that with reference to the 22d and part of the 23d. By Saturday afternoon, the 23d, everybody seemed to be pretty accessible and pretty willing to answer questions. What I wanted to say about Lieutenant Butler was that this almost stolid poise, or perhaps phlegmatic poise is a better word, that I had noticed all through even the most hectic times of the 22d and the 23d, appeared to have deserted him completely on the morning of the 24th. He was an extremely nervous man, so nervous that when I was standing asking him a question after I had entered the ramp and gotten down to the basement area, just moments before Oswald was brought down, he was standing profile to me and I noticed his lips trembling as he listened and waited for my answer. It was simply a physical characteristic. I had by then spent enough hours talking to this man so that it struck me as something totally out of character. Now, he may merely have had a bad night.
Mr. HUBERT. At that time, had the movement of Oswald begun or was it known that he was coming?
Mr. WALDO. It was imminent at that time it was imminent.
Mr. HUBERT. The words, "Here he comes"--those famous words--had not yet been uttered?
Mr. WALDO. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. How long prior to the time Oswald was brought down did Butler invite you into the basement?
Mr. WALDO. I'd say the time lapse there was 20 to 25 minutes.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he indicate to you that the time was getting imminent and that you must come in?
Mr. WALDO. That we could come in, that we should come in.
Mr. HUBERT. What did he say to you by way of indicating that the movement was about to take place?
Mr. WALDO. As I recall, when he stuck his head out and around the vehicle and looked to see who was there, he just said, "Come on down now."
Mr. HUBERT. He didn't say that it was imminent, but you construed it as such?
Mr. WALDO. Well, after we had passed the scrutiny at the ramp entrance and continued on down, I followed my custom and immediately sought him out and asked him, "Are they just about ready to move him?" and he said, "I understand he'll be brought down shortly, you'll have notice.".....

Another controversy is that Curry published the intact photo without explanation.:

http://www.whokilledjfk.net/Walker.htm
Below is a photo from DPD Chief Jesse Curry's book showing the Walker back yard photo intact.


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Re: Was Chief Jesse Curry of the DPD corrupt?

Post by Guest on Thu 28 Aug 2014, 7:39 pm

Thanks ADP. Curry supposedly came up through the Narcotics Unit. He also supposedly took a "vacation" with Jack Ruby in 1956.

There's a lot more to Ruby than meets the eye. And Eva too.

Like:

[size=undefined]An FBI informant designated AT T-1 recalled that Ruby had lived in Daytona, Florida, for a while in the late 1940s. Another FBI informant, designated as AT T-2 (real name, Blaney Mack Johnson), also told the FBI that Ruby was in Florida in the early 1950s and was smuggling weapons and counterfeit money to leftist rebels in Cuba (Exhibit 3063, pp 634-635, 638):[/size]
He stated that in the early 1950s, Jack Ruby held interest in the Colonial Inn, a nightclub and gambling house in Hollandale, Florida. He stated that Jack Ruby, known then as Rubenstein, was active in arranging illegal flights of weapons from Miami to the Castro organization in Cuba. According to T-2, Ruby was reportedly part owner of two planes used for these purposes.

[size=undefined]T-2 further stated that Ruby subsequently left Miami and purchased a substantial share in a Havana gaming house in which one Collis Prio (phonetic) was principal owner. T-2 stated that Colis Prio was within favor of former Cuban leader Batista, but was instrumental in financing and managing accumulation of arms by pro-Castro forces.[/size]
[size=undefined]T-2 stated that one Donald Edward Browder was associated with Ruby in the arms smuggling operation. Browder is reportedly incarcerated in the US Penitentiary, Atlanta, after conviction on a US Customs violation. T-2 also stated that Joe Marrs of Marrs Aircraft, 167th Street, Miami, Florida, allegedly contracted with Ruby to make flights to Havana. T-2 further stated that Leslie Lewis, formerly Chief of Police, Hialeah, Florida, and now possibly a pistol instructor in Dade County, Florida, Sheriff's Office, possessed detailed knowledge of persons involved in flight of weaons to Cuba and had specific knowledge of Ruby's participation. .... T-2 also named Clifton T. Bowes, Jr, formerly captain of National Airlines, Miami, Florida, as having been acquainted with Rubenstein and his activities. ....[/size]
[size=undefined]He also indicated that the Colonial Club in which Jack Rubenstein had an interest was a place where counterfeit money was handled. [unquote]
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Post by greg parker on Thu 28 Aug 2014, 8:35 pm

nonsqtr wrote:Thanks ADP. Curry supposedly came up through the Narcotics Unit. He also supposedly took a "vacation" with Jack Ruby in 1956.

There's a lot more to Ruby than meets the eye. And Eva too.

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An FBI informant designated AT T-1 recalled that Ruby had lived in Daytona, Florida, for a while in the late 1940s. Another FBI informant, designated as AT T-2 (real name, Blaney Mack Johnson), also told the FBI that Ruby was in Florida in the early 1950s and was smuggling weapons and counterfeit money to leftist rebels in Cuba (Exhibit 3063, pp 634-635, 638):
He stated that in the early 1950s, Jack Ruby held interest in the Colonial Inn, a nightclub and gambling house in Hollandale, Florida. He stated that Jack Ruby, known then as Rubenstein, was active in arranging illegal flights of weapons from Miami to the Castro organization in Cuba. According to T-2, Ruby was reportedly part owner of two planes used for these purposes.

T-2 further stated that Ruby subsequently left Miami and purchased a substantial share in a Havana gaming house in which one Collis Prio (phonetic) was principal owner. T-2 stated that Colis Prio was within favor of former Cuban leader Batista, but was instrumental in financing and managing accumulation of arms by pro-Castro forces.
T-2 stated that one Donald Edward Browder was associated with Ruby in the arms smuggling operation. Browder is reportedly incarcerated in the US Penitentiary, Atlanta, after conviction on a US Customs violation. T-2 also stated that Joe Marrs of Marrs Aircraft, 167th Street, Miami, Florida, allegedly contracted with Ruby to make flights to Havana. T-2 further stated that Leslie Lewis, formerly Chief of Police, Hialeah, Florida, and now possibly a pistol instructor in Dade County, Florida, Sheriff's Office, possessed detailed knowledge of persons involved in flight of weaons to Cuba and had specific knowledge of Ruby's participation. .... T-2 also named Clifton T. Bowes, Jr, formerly captain of National Airlines, Miami, Florida, as having been acquainted with Rubenstein and his activities. ....
He also indicated that the Colonial Club in which Jack Rubenstein had an interest was a place where counterfeit money was handled. [unquote]

Wrong Jack Rubenstein.

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Post by greg parker on Thu 28 Aug 2014, 8:42 pm

Here's your man http://fiuarchon.fcla.edu/index.php?p=collections/findingaid&id=45&q=undine+sams&rootcontentid=33157

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Post by gerrrycam on Fri 29 Aug 2014, 12:47 pm

Its very curious that Curry accompanied LBJ to airport from Parkland well chief of Dallas Secret Service Sorrels  went directly from Parkland to TSBD to investigate the assassination

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Post by gerrrycam on Fri 29 Aug 2014, 6:26 pm

Mr. HUBERT - Were you in service during the war, sir?
Mr. CURRY - I was in what was called the CPA, Civilian Pilot Training. It was a program that was open to people who were over combat age in the Air Force. We did not receive any pay when we first went in. We volunteered our services and we were taught to fly. We attended ground training school; I was assigned to Gainesville Junior College and flew out of Gainesville, out of the airfield there. I was then sent to TCU in Fort Worth where I continued my studies at TCU and flew out of Meacham Field, and then I was sent to Amarillo Air Force Base. We were not on the base, but we were assigned in that area and we waited there for, it seemed to me like 2 or 3 weeks and never received any training. We were then notified that we had an opportunity to either ask for release or discharge from the service because we understood-- because of an oversupply of pilots, or else to remain in the program and be sent to various branches of the Air Force for various assignments.
At that time, I, along with my buddy whose father advised us that he thought it was best for us to get out--we applied for a discharge, and I was discharged, so I was in this about 11 months, at which time I was discharged and I returned to Dallas and I reported back to my draft board, and that's the last contact that I had with my draft board.
Mr. HUBERT - And you went back to your duties?
Mr. CURRY - I went back to my duties as police officer. I was assigned as a detective at the time, and I worked for undercover a few months; I was then assigned as a sergeant in the traffic division; promoted to lieutenant of the traffic division; subsequently promoted to captain of the traffic division. I was then assigned to a police training school. I attended the FBI school then.
Upon my return from the FBI school, I completed an examination for promotion to inspector of police and was able to obtain the No. I position and was promoted to inspector of police, and assigned to the police training school.

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Post by Guest on Fri 29 Aug 2014, 9:10 pm

greg parker wrote:
nonsqtr wrote:Thanks ADP. Curry supposedly came up through the Narcotics Unit. He also supposedly took a "vacation" with Jack Ruby in 1956.

There's a lot more to Ruby than meets the eye. And Eva too.

Like:

An FBI informant designated AT T-1 recalled that Ruby had lived in Daytona, Florida, for a while in the late 1940s. Another FBI informant, designated as AT T-2 (real name, Blaney Mack Johnson), also told the FBI that Ruby was in Florida in the early 1950s and was smuggling weapons and counterfeit money to leftist rebels in Cuba (Exhibit 3063, pp 634-635, 638):
He stated that in the early 1950s, Jack Ruby held interest in the Colonial Inn, a nightclub and gambling house in Hollandale, Florida. He stated that Jack Ruby, known then as Rubenstein, was active in arranging illegal flights of weapons from Miami to the Castro organization in Cuba. According to T-2, Ruby was reportedly part owner of two planes used for these purposes.

T-2 further stated that Ruby subsequently left Miami and purchased a substantial share in a Havana gaming house in which one Collis Prio (phonetic) was principal owner. T-2 stated that Colis Prio was within favor of former Cuban leader Batista, but was instrumental in financing and managing accumulation of arms by pro-Castro forces.
T-2 stated that one Donald Edward Browder was associated with Ruby in the arms smuggling operation. Browder is reportedly incarcerated in the US Penitentiary, Atlanta, after conviction on a US Customs violation. T-2 also stated that Joe Marrs of Marrs Aircraft, 167th Street, Miami, Florida, allegedly contracted with Ruby to make flights to Havana. T-2 further stated that Leslie Lewis, formerly Chief of Police, Hialeah, Florida, and now possibly a pistol instructor in Dade County, Florida, Sheriff's Office, possessed detailed knowledge of persons involved in flight of weaons to Cuba and had specific knowledge of Ruby's participation. .... T-2 also named Clifton T. Bowes, Jr, formerly captain of National Airlines, Miami, Florida, as having been acquainted with Rubenstein and his activities. ....
He also indicated that the Colonial Club in which Jack Rubenstein had an interest was a place where counterfeit money was handled. [unquote]

Wrong Jack Rubenstein.

Really? There's another one? Wait, let me rephrase that... there's another one, who knew Carlos Prio and Santos Trafficante?

There's another Jack Rubenstein who's not Jack Ruby, who tried to get Trafficante out of jail in Cuba?

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Post by Guest on Fri 29 Aug 2014, 9:13 pm

greg parker wrote:Here's your man http://fiuarchon.fcla.edu/index.php?p=collections/findingaid&id=45&q=undine+sams&rootcontentid=33157

I can't make heads or tails of this, it's all over the map (from 1926 to 1984). Textile workers, labor disputes. What does any of this have to do with weapons smuggling and getting Trafficante out of a Cuban jail?

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Post by greg parker on Fri 29 Aug 2014, 10:37 pm

nonsqtr wrote:
greg parker wrote:Here's your man http://fiuarchon.fcla.edu/index.php?p=collections/findingaid&id=45&q=undine+sams&rootcontentid=33157

I can't make heads or tails of this, it's all over the map (from 1926 to 1984). Textile workers, labor disputes. What does any of this have to do with weapons smuggling and getting Trafficante out of a Cuban jail?
Brian,

1. The Unionist was based in NY, but spent a lot of time in Florida and eventually moved there.

2. "Our" Jack changed his name to Ruby in  1947. This one was still known as "Rubenstein" in early '50s.

3. "Our" Ruby never resided in Daytona, Florida - not confirmed that the other one did, but see point one.

4. Who is more likely to smuggle weapons and counterfeit money to Leftist guerrillas, "our" Ruby? or the former Young Communist?  "Ours" might have, if there was a buck in it for him -- but this was most likely done for little or no monetary reward.

5, Bringing Trafficante into this is merely confusing the issue further. That was "our" Jack.

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Re: Was Chief Jesse Curry of the DPD corrupt?

Post by Guest on Sat 30 Aug 2014, 5:33 pm

greg parker wrote:
nonsqtr wrote:
greg parker wrote:Here's your man http://fiuarchon.fcla.edu/index.php?p=collections/findingaid&id=45&q=undine+sams&rootcontentid=33157

I can't make heads or tails of this, it's all over the map (from 1926 to 1984). Textile workers, labor disputes. What does any of this have to do with weapons smuggling and getting Trafficante out of a Cuban jail?
Brian,

1. The Unionist was based in NY, but spent a lot of time in Florida and eventually moved there.

2. "Our" Jack changed his name to Ruby in  1947. This one was still known as "Rubenstein" in early '50s.

3. "Our" Ruby never resided in Daytona, Florida - not confirmed that the other one did, but see point one.

4. Who is more likely to smuggle weapons and counterfeit money to Leftist guerrillas, "our" Ruby? or the former Young Communist?  "Ours" might have, if there was a buck in it for him -- but this was most likely done for little or no monetary reward.

5, Bringing Trafficante into this is merely confusing the issue further. That was "our" Jack.

Wait, slow down. Explain it to me like a three-year-old, I'm still a n00b. Wink

You're saying that "our" Jack is not the one Fehrenbach identified as a young Communist back in the late 40's in Chicago?

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Re: Was Chief Jesse Curry of the DPD corrupt?

Post by Vinny on Wed 03 Sep 2014, 10:33 pm

Here is a link to Curry's JFK Assassination File in PDF.

http://www.krusch.com/books/kennedy/JFK_Assassination_File.pdf

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Re: Was Chief Jesse Curry of the DPD corrupt?

Post by Goban Saor on Thu 04 Sep 2014, 3:47 am

JFK Student wrote:Here is a link to Curry's JFK Assassination File in PDF.

http://www.krusch.com/books/kennedy/JFK_Assassination_File.pdf
Extract from Jesse Curry’s assassination file, pp 12-13
 
The security planning for the motorcade was most detailed in those
areas where the motorcade would be at a relatively slow speed and
exposed to the most people. At the end of the downtown parade route
the motorcade was to turn from Main to Houston. Crowds at that point  
were expected to be relatively light, and they were. At the turn from
Houston to Elm the parade was considered to be over. At this point the
motorcade was to pick up speed and enter the freeway at the triple
underpass. The Texas School Book Depository was at the very end of the
actual parade route.
 
It's somewhat off-topic but an obvious question leaps out here: Why did the Secret Service driver William Greer do the opposite of what he was supposed to do and slow down instead of accelerate once he turned into Elm Street?

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Re: Was Chief Jesse Curry of the DPD corrupt?

Post by Hasan Yusuf on Thu 04 Sep 2014, 8:22 am

nonsqtr wrote:We know, based on the testimony of over a dozen witnesses, that there were over 600 officers on the Dallas Police Department, that had free passes to Jack Ruby's Carousel Club, and therefore must have known Jack Ruby personally (because Jack Ruby was the only one giving out the passes).

Could someone please refresh my memory as to who these witnesses were? Thanks.

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