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Tue 24 Jan 2017, 1:19 am
“What to look for in a juror.”


Source http://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/1977/june/the-law-and-henry-wade/


A. Attitudes.

1. You are not looking for a fair juror, but rather a strong, biased and sometimes hypocritical individual who believes that Defendants are different from them in kind, rather than degree.



2. You are not looking for any member of a minority group which may subject him to oppression -they almost always empathize with the accused.



3. You are not looking for the free thinkers and flower children.



B. Observation is worthwhile.

1. Look at the panel out in the hall before they are seated. You can spot the showoffs and the liberalsby how and to whom they are talking.



2.Observe the veniremen as they walk into the courtroom.

a. You can tell almost as much about a man by how he walks, as how he talks.

b. Look for physical afflictions. These people usually sympathize with the accused.



3. Dress.

a. Conservatively, well dressed people are generally stable and good for the State.

b. In many counties, the jury summons states that the appropriate dress is coat and tie. One who does not wear a coat and tie is often a non-conformist and therefore a bad State’s juror.

4. Women.

a. I don’t like women jurors because I can’t trust them.

b. They do, however, make the best jurors in cases involving crimes against children.

c. It is possible that their “women’s intuition” can help you if you can’t win your case with the facts.

d. Young women too often sympathize with the Defendant; old women wearing too much make-up are usually unstable, and therefore are bad State’s jurors.

e. It is impossible to keep women off your jury, but try to keep the ratio at least seven to five in favor of men.



5. Weight. Extremely overweight people, especially women and young men, indicates a lack of self-discipline and often times instability. I like the lean and hungry look.

6. Age. People over forty are more settled and more ready to believe that criminals should be punished.

7. Race. Minority races almost always empathize with the Defendant.

8. Demeanor.

a. Attentive, intelligent looking veniremen that you are able to communicate with on Voir Dire will generally be all right.

b. Always observe how the veniremen react when being questioned by the defense attorney, and compare it to the venireman’s reaction to you.

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Tue 24 Jan 2017, 2:07 am
+ Unusual Texas Practice - The Jury Shuffle: Texas, is the only state where a "jury shuffle" is permitted. In effect, the jury shuffle procedure allows the lawyers, after getting a quick look at the sequence in which the prospective jurors are seated, to require that the sequence be reordered.  Judges don't like jury shuffles. Many defense lawyers and prosecutors like having the right to force a shuffle. Art. 35.11 CCP provides that, upon the demand of the defendant or his attorney or of the prosecutor, the trial court must shuffle the names of a sufficient number of the prospective jurors from the general panel drawn or assigned to the case. The rub is that only one shuffle is allowed. See Chappell v. State, 850 S.W.3d 508 (Tex. Crim. App. 1993). The motion must be presented in a timely manner before the voir dire commences, e.g., in a non-capital case, before the prosecution begins its voir dire but not when the trial court is giving its initial instructions to the jury. See Davis v. State, 782 S.W.2d 211 (Tex. Crim. App. 1989). Failure to shuffle upon request is error, but the error can be harmless. See Ford v. State, 73 S.W.3d 923 (Tex. Crim. App 2002).    

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Tue 24 Jan 2017, 10:25 am
“You are not looking for a fair juror…”. Those words alone in Henry Wade’s prosecutor’s manual seem reason enough to overturn the conviction of anyone under Wade’s regime.

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Tue 24 Jan 2017, 2:50 pm
To boil it down Wade preferred the mob from Frankenstein

Local male villagers with new pitchforks
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Tue 24 Jan 2017, 3:10 pm
Truth and justice can be rigged. Ask Al.
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Tue 24 Jan 2017, 3:29 pm
Great scene.
I don't think Al is getting reimbursement for billable hours from his client. But hey justice will be served...
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Wed 25 Jan 2017, 4:19 am
Henry Wade's Tough Justice 


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Sat 11 Feb 2017, 12:48 pm
Wade's legacy.

What is it called when you know someone is innocent and still persist with a wrongful conviction and the result is the innocent suspect is executed?

http://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/2016/may/henry-wade-executed-innocent-man/

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Sun 12 Feb 2017, 8:09 am
Its called murder.

More laws are being enacted to be able to prosecute the Henry Wade's of the world who would hide behind some judicial robes.

I recently watched a piece on Jarbidge, Nevada, a remote gold mining town.
It was the location of two historical events.
Its was where the last stagecoach robbery in the US took place.
(actually this wasn't a stagecoach but a buckboard wagon)
Also where the first use of forensics was used to get a palm print and convict the man they say did the crime.

Please read the short tale of the Robbery and Aftermath and see what you think;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarbidge_Stage_Robbery


The witnesses to the suspects Alibi was dismissed.
A dog that followed the posse was claimed to have liked the robbery suspect best and followed him to an empty money bags location... yet the stray dog followed the posse too, so isn't it more likely the dog would follow anyone.
The bloody palm print reminds me of the 'palm' print on the MC rifle.
Then a jacket... A ripped or torn sleeved jacket.

More on the case, and notice the parallels

https://books.google.com/books?id=OEJemQWU3hsC&pg=PA63&lpg=PA63&dq=jarbidge+kuhl+forensics&source=bl&ots=5BwzCZa87d&sig=shkTctZJtPS7oO6KyiTjGMkKIKY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjdm5_G74jSAhVLr1QKHQihDKgQ6AEISDAI#v=onepage&q=jarbidge%20kuhl%20forensics&f=false

Scroll down for the first Polygraph in Frye vs. US
As noted a very brief and un-annotated opinion was given.
This relied on experts in the field to give the court their opinions as to when a technology has passed the experimental or demonstrable threshold to gain general acceptance.

To wit I find the fox guarding the hen house, as those experts are often beneficiaries to the technology in various ways.


It is due to State vs Kuhl that palm prints are considered equal to fingerprints.

...then Frye opened the polygraph door....and several more.

Wade and the DPD would use these precedence to win jury convictions based on all but the next step, DNA.
That evidence would be his undoing.
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Sun 12 Feb 2017, 9:07 am
Good stuff Ed.

From the same book... What Henry Wade Looked For In Jurors Reid10

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Sun 12 Feb 2017, 9:09 am
Thank you Greg,

That is a good book.
Reid even merits a mention... nicely found.

Cheers!, Ed
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Sun 12 Feb 2017, 10:48 am
Great stuff Ed,

many thanks.

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Tue 18 Apr 2017, 6:44 pm
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/photos/2013/09/02/today-in-dallas-photo-history-1967-countdown-in-dallas-a-jfk-assassination-movie-begins-filming


Henry Wade, the legendary Dallas County district attorney known for his no-nonsense style, apparently was not immune to the lure of a little movie magic.

And the man with a reputation for unshakeable integrity was agreeable to receiving thousands of dollars in return for giving filmmakers exclusive access to legal documents connected to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, some of which were kept from the public for another four decades.

The existence of 15 boxes of JFK-related material, locked away in a DA's office safe, was announced Monday by Craig Watkins, the current district attorney, who said his  predecessors had kept the documents under wraps even after Mr. Wade's retirement.

Mr. Wade died in 2001, and several calls to surviving family members were not returned.

Tantalizing new details about the little-known episode of Mr. Wade's involvement in a movie venture about the Nov. 22, 1963, JFK assassination and the trial of Jack Ruby were found in a Dallas Morning News examination of the long-hidden files.

What emerges is a story that sometimes resembles comic opera but contains what appears to be a breach of ethics.

Righting city's image

Mr. Wade's involvement in the venture began with a letter to Dallas leaders sometime in early 1967 from Robert Larsen, whose Colorado-based production company made commercials and industrial films.

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Sat 27 May 2017, 8:40 pm
Mick Purdy wrote:Wade's legacy.

What is it called when you know someone is innocent and still persist with a wrongful conviction and the result is the innocent suspect is executed?

http://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/2016/may/henry-wade-executed-innocent-man/

Mick this is an excellent link. Not just for Henry Wade's injustices, but also for bringing our 'pal' Will Fritz in the fold.

9 years before Leroy was interrogated by Fritz, Tommy Lee Walker was in for some rough treatment....from the article linked above:

Late the next night, Tommy Lee was brought before Captain Fritz, who questioned him for hours—not about any involvement in the robbery for which he had been arrested, but about Venice Parker’s murder. Tommy Lee said that Fritz told him he had received a phone call implicating him in the crime. Fritz had received no such call. Fritz said that there were witnesses and that police knew what he had done. Fritz had a reputation for being unusually effective at wringing admissions of guilt out of suspects, and his techniques worked in this case as well. Years later, we know much more about how often false confessions occur and what can trigger them—fear, cultural differences, sleep deprivation, and feelings of hopelessness, all of which played a role in this case.


Tommy Lee said later that he was intimidated when Fritz shouted at him again and again that he was lying about the murder. He said Fritz asked repeatedly if he had to “bring in the men from upstairs” when Tommy Lee balked at signing a confession. He believed that was a reference to the two officers he’d earlier seen beating a man. 

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Sun 28 May 2017, 10:46 am
Article is precisely why Oswald deserves justice

Thanks Mick


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Wade was so corrupt.What a disgrace to Dallas County.

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Fri 23 Mar 2018, 4:31 am
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The existence of 15 boxes of JFK-related material, locked away in a DA's office safe, was announced Monday by Craig Watkins, the current district attorney, who said his  predecessors had kept the documents under wraps even after Mr. Wade's retirement.
Barto,

Once upon a time, I indexed these files while they were still available.
You can find that index here:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/12338-new-dallas-documents-online/&page=1


Notes to the index pool for the Ruby trial are in Group 27, and in Groups 54-58.
Unfortunately, these files were donated to the Sixth Floor Museum, where they still remain locked away as far as I know.
At the time, I urged the Dallas Morning News to donate them to the Mary Ferrell Foundation, where they could be scanned and made keyword searchable. Judge Tunnheim urged that they be donated to the National Archives.
Alas the newspaper chose to do neither.

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Hi Steve,
sorry for the slow reply. Was mostly busy prepping for a talk with GNJ which we did yday for DPUK in the pub.
I was aware of your post at EF, I have had it open in a tab for weeks now.

Do you have these  pdfs by any chance? 

Group 4
pdf 30. Witness interrogation, Jim Underwood and James Davidson, camera man WFAA.
Jack Revil identifies everyone in the WFAA film of Ruby shooting Oswald.

Group 6
pdfs 51 - 55. These pdfs revolve around Wade's participation in the making of a movie called "Countdown in Dallas" in 1967. The movie was going to be produced by Robert Larsen Productions in Colorado Springs, CO They were going to create a seperate company called Flag-Star, Inc. The movie was going to be a documentary, but it was also supposed to bolster the image of Dallas, TX in the eyes of the world. Wade, Curry and Robert Denson had agreed to open their personal, confidential, and public files and records. Wade was going to get $20,000 plus 20% of the producer's gross. Curry was going to get $10,000 and 10% of the gross. Denson was going to get $5,000 and 5% of the gross. Robert Denson was a private eye and the Chief Investigator for the defense during Ruby's trial. There were newspaper articles in the LA Times and NY Times on this movie at the time. Roy Truly wanted $2,000 to act in the movie and another $5,000 for use of the TSBD.


Group 14.
Letter from Wade to Donna Clark of Fort Worth dated March 25, 1964, a junior doing a term paper on JFK's assassination,
"The shots came from the Texas School Book Depository and all of the facts indicated that the assassin was Lee Harvey Oswald, although the facts are circumstantial, there being no eyewitness that identified him."

pdfs 55 - 56. DPD Transcripts of Channel 1 beginning at 10:54 AM.

pdfs 56 - 57. Warren Commission Exhibit 705. DPD Transcripts of Channel 1.


and

Group 43 
pdf 288. Interview with David Johnston, Justice of the Peace. Saw Ruby at midnight press conference.




I have tried using the waybackmachine and the DMN pages are there but no PDFs so far. Hope you can help.

Thanks.

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Mon 26 Mar 2018, 12:54 am
barto wrote:Hi Steve,
sorry for the slow reply. Was mostly busy prepping for a talk with GNJ which we did yday for DPUK in the pub.
I was aware of your post, I have had ot open in a tab for weeks now.

Do you have these  pdfs by any chance? 


I have tried using the waybackmachine and the DMN pages are there but no PDFs sofar.

Thanks.

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Barto,

No, I'm sorry. I don't have any of the pdfs, just the index. I could kick myself, but I never dreamed at the time that they would take the pdfs down and make them disappear when they transferred them to the Sixth Floor Museum. Gary Mack told me at the time that they would be electronically available, but you can see how that worked out.

I have the index in word format, but I'd have to email it to you. If you want it, can you give me your email address? It runs 38 pages.

What do you mean that the DMN pages are "there"? Can you provide the wayback url?

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Mon 26 Mar 2018, 12:59 am
That's too bad Steve. I will PM you my email addie. Thanks a a lot for the offer.

https://web.archive.org/web/20080225151626/http://www.dallasnews.com:80/sharedcontent/dws/news/city/dallas/stories/022208dnmetjfkdocs.15b53191.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20080226203141/http://www.dallasnews.com:80/sharedcontent/dws/news/longterm/stories/022208dnjfkdocs14.17214bfc.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20080226202903/http://www.dallasnews.com:80/sharedcontent/dws/dn/localnews/columnists/sblow/stories/022108dnmetblow.2ef91cc.html

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I keep catching snippets of Wade and the so called script to make a film, and now Aynesworth was even involved as well.
A 'fine' movie that would have been....... 

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=55188&relPageId=108

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barto wrote:I keep catching snippets of Wade and the so called script to make a film, and now Aynesworth was even involved as well.
A 'fine' movie that would have been....... 

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=55188&relPageId=108

Hugh Aynesworth was a corrupter of the public mind.  A stooge and a hack.

However, it was an article published by Aynesworth in the Dallas Morning News that blew the lid on Mary Bledsoe's Oswald sighting on that bus.  What he wrote proved that the investigation and the Warren Commission conclusions in relation to this were nothing more than fantasy and sleight of hand.

He obviously didn't know this when he wrote it.
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