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Post by Hugh Jorgan on Mon 11 Dec 2017, 6:29 am

Here are the records for Charles Givens, per request.  He never went to the pen but spent 13 months in the county jail.  Interestingly, they called it a "tax act" violation then.  I could find nothing on Eddie Piper.  I've included Givens death certificate simply because I have it and thought it might be of interest.  







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Search SummaryGIVENS,CHARLES
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Date2017-12-10T13:06:29.7298294-06:00
GIVENS,CHARLES DOUGLAS (SID: 00474716)
SID00474716
Date Last Updated7/27/2017
SEXMALE
RACEBLACK
HEIGHT6'2"
WEIGHT154 LBS
EYESMAROON
HAIRBLACK
PLACE OF BIRTHTEXAS
NAME(S)

  • GIVENS,CHARLES D 
  • GIVENS,CHARLES DOUGLAS (Primary)
  • GIVENS,CHARLES DOUGLASS 

BIRTH DATE(S)

  • 5/16/1925 (Primary)

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DATE OF ARREST SEQUENCE CODE TRACKING NUMBER AGENCY DESCRIPTION
1/29/1951    A    DALLAS COUNTY SHERIFFS OFFICE 
8/16/1961    A    DALLAS COUNTY SHERIFFS OFFICE 
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ARREST DATE 1/29/1951 (1 CHARGES)
ARREST DETAIL
ARREST DATE1/29/1951
SEQUENCE CODEA
ARRESTING AGENCYDALLAS COUNTY SHERIFFS OFFICE (TX0570000)
ARREST DATE 1/29/1951 (CHARGE *001)
OFFENSE RECORD
INTERNAL AGENCY PERSON NUMBER37954
ARREST OFFENSEMARIJUANA-(FREE TEXT) (35640000)
ARREST OFFENSE LITERALMARIJUANA -TAX ACT
ARREST OFFENSE CITATIONX
 
COURT STATUS A
COURT OFFENSEMARIJUANA-(FREE TEXT) (35640000)
COURT OFFENSE LITERALMARIJUANA -TAX ACT
COURT OFFENSE CITATIONX
COURT DISPOSITIONCONVICTED (310)
COURT CONFINEMENT13M
 
ARREST DATE 8/16/1961 (1 CHARGES)
ARREST DETAIL
ARREST DATE8/16/1961
SEQUENCE CODEA
ARRESTING AGENCYDALLAS COUNTY SHERIFFS OFFICE (TX0570000)
ARREST DATE 8/16/1961 (CHARGE *001)
OFFENSE RECORD
INTERNAL AGENCY PERSON NUMBER37954
ARREST OFFENSEDRIVING UNDER INFLUENCE LIQUOR (54040000)
ARREST OFFENSE LITERALDRIVING UNDER INFLUENCE LIQUOR -
ARREST OFFENSE CITATIONX
 
COURT STATUS A
COURT OFFENSEDRIVING UNDER INFLUENCE LIQUOR (54040000)
COURT OFFENSE LITERALDRIVING UNDER INFLUENCE LIQUOR -
COURT OFFENSE CITATIONX
COURT DISPOSITIONCONVICTED (310)
COURT DISPOSITION DATE8/20/1961
COURT CONFINEMENT5D
COURT PROVISIONFINE & COST (338)
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Re: Charles Givens Arrests

Post by barto on Mon 11 Dec 2017, 6:35 am

Nice work Hugh, thank you for posting

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Post by barto on Mon 11 Dec 2017, 6:36 am

Oh and Piper had a DUI from the 50's



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Re: Charles Givens Arrests

Post by greg parker on Mon 11 Dec 2017, 8:55 am

Great work! 

No gambling record on Piper actually helps as much as if there had been.

To clarify for you, a story ran that a black porter had witnessed "Oswald" shooting Kennedy and had ran from the building in terror and gone straight to the Special Services Bureau of the DPD because he knew them from a previous arrest for shooting craps. He was allegedly held in "protective custody" and was scared witless. 

The story was told to reporter Thayer Waldo by Secret Service agent Mike Howard when they escorted Marguerite to the airport to on the way to give her testimony.

A separate story was published claiming that a TSBD janitor had escorted Oswald to the 6th floor and then gone back down to watch the motorcade from the 1st floor.  That could only be a reference to Piper since he was the only janitor and he did watch from a first floor window (or claimed to). 

But he is now ruled out as Thayer's man because of the lack of a record.

So why is this good?

It reinforces that either the story was total bunk as the WC claimed https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1141&relPageId=755&search="mike_howard"%20and%20nigger

or that all the real action was happening over at the Del-Tex (which formerly housed the TSBD) where a lift operator did run from the building to report Jim Braden...
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/braden.htm

Larry Florer's arrest. Note that the commentator says Florer had been in the TSBD. For years, this has caused confusion for me and others - until I learned that Book Depository had once been located there. Makes sense that some would not realize it had moved across the street.



Now if we only knew that elevator operator's name so we could check his criminal record!


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Post by Hugh Jorgan on Mon 11 Dec 2017, 10:05 am

Man, you guys are good!  I can only conjecture that Piper's DWI didn't show up because the charge was so old and he (apparently) had no other serious offenses.  Great job by Bart digging up that article.  I searched Piper on Newspapers.com and came up with nothing as well.  The DPS records tend to forget records of those who avoid serious trouble.  I have a close friend who got a DWI in the 1980s and was never in any trouble again.  I have searched his name on the site and it returns nothing.  Lucky guy!

I'll do some digging on Florer and see what I can find.  Fascinating stuff!
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Post by Hugh Jorgan on Mon 11 Dec 2017, 4:08 pm

" To clarify for you, a story ran that a black porter had witnessed "Oswald" shooting Kennedy and had ran from the building in terror and gone straight to the Special Services Bureau of the DPD because he knew them from a previous arrest for shooting craps. He was allegedly held in "protective custody" and was scared witless."


Greg,

Very interesting post.  What if the "nigger" in question was actually Givens?  I can completely  understand Mr. Givens fear of the police in 1963 Dallas considering the fact that he was a black man with a record.  The cops could have easily deemed Givens as a simple "janitor" simply based on his race.  Also, his testimony does seem to be somewhat suspect.  I am of the belief that Givens wasn't a bad guy at all, but merely suspect of the police who undoubtedly treated minorities with a rough hand at that time.  Also, and I may be wrong, but wasn't Givens a missing person from the TSBD at the time of the alleged roll call?  I'm pretty sure they put out a bulletin on the guy as soon as he failed to return to work (he claims the cops wouldn't let him back in the building which is probably true).  A charge for a simple craps game most likely resulted in a simple fine, like a traffic ticket and, therefore, would not show up on his record.
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Post by Steve Thomas on Mon 11 Dec 2017, 8:19 pm

I want to say up front that I have absolutely no evidence for what I'm about to suggest. It's pure speculation; but wouldn't it be ironic, if Jack Ruby was Givens' supplier.

Candy Barr was a stripper in one of Jack Ruby's clubs.
Candy Barr was busted for marijuana.
Jack Ruby used to visit Candy a lot, even when she moved out of Dallas.
When she was busted, she was holding for a friend of hers named Helen Kay Smith.

A stripper named Pixie Lynn said she was at a party when Ruby and Oswald were together. She said that a woman named Helen Kay Smith could corroborate her story.
Helen Smith denied it.
Charles Givens is the only person who could place Oswald on the sixth floor of the TSBD at the time of the assassination.

Like I said, it's just idle speculation.

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Post by greg parker on Mon 11 Dec 2017, 10:10 pm

Steve Thomas wrote:I want to say up front that I have absolutely no evidence for what I'm about to suggest. It's pure speculation; but wouldn't it be ironic, if Jack Ruby was Givens' supplier.

Candy Barr was a stripper in one of Jack Ruby's clubs.
Candy Barr was busted for marijuana.
Jack Ruby used to visit Candy a lot, even when she moved out of Dallas.
When she was busted, she was holding for a friend of hers named Helen Kay Smith.

A stripper named Pixie Lynn said she was at a party when Ruby and Oswald were together. She said that a woman named Helen Kay Smith could corroborate her story.
Helen Smith denied it.
Charles Givens is the only person who could place Oswald on the sixth floor of the TSBD at the time of the assassination.

Like I said, it's just idle speculation.

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Steve, there is a lot worse speculation going around. The one part I would disagree with is the part about Oswald and Ruby at parties together. I believe that was Crafard. I know there are those who claim it was impossible to mistake Crafard for Oswald but they were of similar age, height and weight, and there was one specific sighting of "Oswald" with Ruby that was most definitely Crafard. That was at a store buying a new speaker for club. Crafard confirmed it was him. The missing front teeth is a whole other issue. A removable bridge would explain it.

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Post by Steve Thomas on Mon 11 Dec 2017, 11:10 pm

greg parker wrote: The one part I would disagree with...
The other one is that I realized in further reading that Candy worked at the Colony Club - Abe Weinstein's place, not Jack's.

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Post by barto on Tue 12 Dec 2017, 6:06 am

Now then to put these arrests in a 60's perspective as a DUI from 12 years before or a weed charge from around the same time means bugger all over here in the UK now, but then over there at that time........total different ball game.
By how much you wonder?

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Post by greg parker on Tue 12 Dec 2017, 8:14 am

Steve Thomas wrote:
greg parker wrote: The one part I would disagree with...
The other one is that I realized in further reading that Candy worked at the Colony Club - Abe Weinstein's place, not Jack's.

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Post by Hugh Jorgan on Sat 16 Dec 2017, 1:08 pm

barto wrote:Now then to put these arrests in a 60's perspective as a DUI from 12 years before or a weed charge from around the same time means bugger all over here in the UK now, but then over there at that time........total different ball game.
By how much you wonder?

Just read this! (16 pgs)
With the real relevant stuff starting on page 8.

Exactly!  Today, at least here in the States (and I am sure in Australia, Europe and the UK), I imagine most people caught with small amounts of pot aren't even charged with an offense considering how innocuous weed has become.  We have several states where it is even legal.  However, considering the propaganda of such exploitation films from the 30s to the 50s like Reefer Madness and Assassin of Youth, and the prevailing view that pot was a dangerous narcotic that led to axe murders, persons like Barr, Armstrong and Givens received jail terms that would be madness today.  Conversely, the destructive results of driving under the influence of alcohol are much more serious crimes today than at that time.  I remember my last visit to the UK: we walked to the pubs because the cops over there were marking tires with ultraviolet ink to indicate who was driving after leaving and the consequences of getting caught were severe. 

While we are on the subject of crime and, not to hijack the thread, here is the arrest record of Bruce Carlin.  I failed to put this in my previous post about him.  Explanations follow:


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Batch #3968863
Search #18038992
Search SummaryBRUCE,CARLIN
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Date2017-12-08T22:10:01.3937377-06:00
CARLIN,BRUCE RAY (SID: 01150346)
SID01150346
Date Last Updated8/13/2017
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RACEWHITE
ETHNICITYNON-HISPANIC
HEIGHT5'11"
WEIGHT185 LBS
EYESBLUE
HAIRGRAY OR PARTIALLY GRAY
PLACE OF BIRTHTEXAS
NAME(S)

  • CARLIN,BRUCE 
  • CARLIN,BRUCE RAY (Primary)

BIRTH DATE(S)

  • 7/6/1940 (Primary)

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DATE OF ARREST SEQUENCE CODE TRACKING NUMBER AGENCY DESCRIPTION
5/1/2005  A  0100752152  TEXAS HWY PATROL REG 4 DIST B 
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ARREST DATE 5/1/2005 (1 CHARGES)
ARREST DETAIL
ARREST DATE5/1/2005
SEQUENCE CODEA
TRACKING NUMBER0100752152
ARRESTING AGENCYTEXAS HWY PATROL REG 4 DIST B (TXDPS6100)
ARREST DATE 5/1/2005 (CHARGE A001)
OFFENSE RECORD
AGENCYTEXAS HWY PATROL REG 4 DIST B (TXDPS6100)
INTERNAL AGENCY CASE NUMBER0100752152
ARREST OFFENSEPOSS CS PG 1 >= 1G < 4G (35990015)
ARREST OFFENSE CITATION481.115(C)
LEVEL AND DEGREE OF OFFENSEFELONY - 3RD DEGREE (F3)
DATE OF OFFENSE4/30/2005
ARREST DISPOSITION DATE5/1/2005
ARREST DISPOSITIONHELD (205)
ARREST DISPOSITION LITERALEASTLAND CO
PROSECUTOR ORI REFERRED TODISTRICT ATTORNEYS OFFICE EASTLAND (TX067015A)
 
PROSECUTION DETAIL
AGENCYDISTRICT ATTORNEYS OFFICE EASTLAND (TX067015A)
PROSECUTOR ACTION FIELDPROSECUTOR HAS CHANGED THE CHARGE (C)
PROSECUTOR OFFENSE CITATION481.115(B)
PROSECUTOR OFFENSEPOSS CS PG 1 < 1G (35990014)
LEVEL AND DEGREE PROSECUTEDFELONY - STATE JAIL FELONY (FS)
 
COURT STATUS A
AGENCY DESCRIPTION91ST DISTRICT COURT EASTLAND (TX067025J)
COURT OFFENSEPOSS CS PG 1 < 1G (35990014)
COURT OFFENSE CITATION481.115(B)
LEVEL AND DEGREE OFFENSEFELONY - STATE JAIL FELONY (FS)
COURT DISPOSITIONDEFERRED (312)
COURT DISPOSITION DATE1/25/2006
DATE OF SENTENCE/STATUS1/25/2006
CAUSE NUMBERCAU:CR 05 20731
FINAL PLEADINGGUILTY (G)
COURT PROBATION02Y
COURT FINE1500
COURT COSTS368
AGENCY RECEIVING CUSTODY91ST DISTRICT COURT EASTLAND (TX067015G)
COURT PROVISIONDEFERRED ADJUDICATION (378)
 
COURT STATUS B
AGENCY DESCRIPTION91ST DISTRICT COURT EASTLAND (TX067025J)
COURT OFFENSEPOSS CS PG 1 < 1G (35990014)
COURT OFFENSE CITATION481.115(B)
LEVEL AND DEGREE OFFENSEFELONY - STATE JAIL FELONY (FS)
COURT DISPOSITIONCOMMUNITY SUPERVISION EXPIRED (400)
COURT DISPOSITION DATE1/10/2007
DATE OF SENTENCE/STATUS1/10/2007
CAUSE NUMBERCAU:CR0520731
FINAL PLEADINGUNREPORTED/OR UNKNOWN (U)
AGENCY RECEIVING CUSTODY91ST DISTRICT COURT EASTLAND ()
COURT PROVISIONDEFENDANT DISCHARGED (394)


To break this down, Carlin was arrested for a violation of the Texas Health and Safety Code 481.115 possession of a controlled substance greater than or equal to one gram but less than four grams which, under Texas law, is a 3rd degree felony.  Now, note the charge was reduced when accepted by the DA to possession of a controlled substance less than one gram which is the lesser charge of a state jail felony (the lowest felony in Texas).  From my experience this was probably due to a plea bargain to expedite the case.  Bruce was sentenced to two years probation and fined a total of 1868 dollars (1500 dollar fine and 368 in court costs).  This doesn't include what he had to pay in monthly probation and the cost of an attorney.  I'd imagine this whole incident ended up costing him around 10,000 bucks after it was all over.  Controlled substances in Texas are drugs that have no medical use (excluding marijuana and LSD).  Nine times out of ten they are cocaine, methamphetamine or MDMA (ecstasy).

edit- forgot MDMA!
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Post by Colin Crow on Sat 16 Dec 2017, 10:33 pm

Steve Thomas wrote:
Charles Givens is the only person who could place Oswald on the sixth floor of the TSBD at the time of the assassination.

Steve the only person who could have put Oswald on the 6th floor with a gun as late as 12.25 was Bonnie Ray Williams. He failed to do so but it seems likely that someone (not Oswald) convinced him to  leave the SN (and his lunch unfinished). The Howard story may well be a concoction using Williams/Piper/Givens stories in an attempt to place LHO on the 6th floor. It is after all the dream witness required to seal the lone nut case. The best they could do was to get Givens to agree to the bogus cigarette story.
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