Doc Norwood

Jeremy said wrote:Leaving aside the fact that Pitts' recollection was (... how should I put it so that I don't get reported to teacher?) less than entirely accurately described by James, this particular item of evidence has an obvious alternative explanation: Pitts' memory was unreliable.

Doc Norwood wrote:Jeremy,

No matter what degree of prolixity you adopt in your repetitive posts, you always come around to the same talking point:  an eyewitness is "unreliable."  I described Pitts' testimony very precisely and accurately, and you are misrepresenting what I wrote and once again casting aspersions that have no place in this forum.  Your argument will not persuade anyone, and you are in violation of the forum guidelines by stringing out the discussion until the thread devolves into chaos.  Please cease and desist and follow the agreed-upon rules of the Ed Forum.

Doc Norwood 6/23/20 wrote:In addition to the testimony of Robert Oswald, a total of six eyewitnesses (Frank Kudlaty, Fran Schubert, Richard Galindo, Mark Summers, Bobby Pitts, and Douglas Gann) clearly recalled Oswald attending Stripling Junior High School.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/26529-was-it-really-just-a-mole-hunt-about-oswald/?do=findComment&comment=422996

Doc Norwood @ the thirteen inch head forum wrote:For example, researcher Steve Thomas has compiled a fascinating list of 44 instances when LHO was identified as “Harvey Lee Oswald.”  It may be that there is a plausible explanation for all 44 examples.  But the only way to arrive at that conclusion is to study each example in the original context of its usage.

alex_wilson wrote:Right on cue we get Fezzo bleating about COINTELPRO.
Mr Joseph's, let me be quite blunt here; your style, your research and your barely legible doodles have done infinitely more damage to the credibility of serious historical study into the assassination of President Kennedy than any amount of COINTELPRO infiltrators.
Will Doc Norwood complain about Fezzos not so subtle implication that certain posters are engaged in an intelligence operation to further obscure the truth while sowing more dissentions?
You bet your fucking ass he won't.
He's the worst sort of coward and hypocrite 
Don Jeffries with a better vocabulary and even less of a sense of humour.
I think I'll have to buy a new irony meter .
Fezzo discussing COINTELPRO with the man whose had the whole of the fucking Hair Bear Bunch rollerskating through Dealey Plaza..
By Christ the Military Industrial Congressional Complex must be shaking in their boots..
A man in a fez and a hillbilly with a slightly higher IQ than a bowl of Strawberry Angel Delight!!

Doc Norwood lecture of the day to Mark wrote:On numerous occasions, I have pointed the inherent bias in everything you write about the Stripling evidence.  An objective observer would examine the evidence impartially.  

Then there's the patron saint of the mediocre, the grey blimp of Dealey Plaza, Pat Speer and his website that would make Kafkas  ghost weep prophet's tears..How to make the crime of the century sound like a Southern California phone directory..

The Good Doctor wrote:There was a recent Ed Forum thread on Laura Kittrell posted by Doug Caddy that included a short youtube lecture focusing on Murray Chotiner.

The lecture began with the speaker stating the following about Laura Kittrell: 

"She worked for the Texas Employment Commission, and she said that she interviewed Lee Harvey Oswald before the assassination on multiple occasions."

When we take a close look at Kittrell's manuscript, we learn right away that the purpose of her recalling the interviews was that she recognized at the time and felt compelled to alert the authorities, including Robert Kennedy, that she had interviewed two different men claiming to be Oswald.

Forum member Joe Bauer made an astute observation when he wrote that “I don't see the Oswald we know who was married to Marina here in the states and the one we saw on TV the weekend of November 22-24, 1963 as wearing a black leather motorcycle gang jacket and pounding his open hand on the Employment Department counselor's desk twice, while shouting ‘DAMN, I know that guy!’”  Precisely because of these details, I was led to conclude that the man slamming his hand on the desk and knocking over a flower pot was an imposter, leaving the impression of a violent malcontent that Kittrell would recall after the assassination.

Another point made in the video is that Oswald had an association with Republican political strategist Murray Chotiner.  But in her manuscript, Kittrell recounts that Oswald denied ever working Chotiner.  He only recognized the name when he overheard the conversation between Kittrell and the client ahead of him, who acknowledge that she had worked for Chotiner as a maid.  When he exclaimed, "DAMN, I know that guy!", it was likely a figure of speech and that he meant "I know who that guy is."  It is far too big a leap to speculate that Chotiner had anything to do with the JFK assassination based on the Kittrell manuscript.

There was also a lively discussion of this topic on p. 3 of Jim Hargrove's thread entitled "Was It Really Just a MOLE HUNT about 'Oswald'.'"

All joking aside for Gordon to permit his site to be used as a pulpit for ahistorical cultsters to peddle their lies is utterly fucking scandalous.

doc wrote:(3)  Regarding Nelson Delgado and other Marines who witnessed Oswald reading publications in the Russian language, there is no evidence that they saw him engaged in language study, either by the use of a textbook, flash cards, or tutorials with an expert.  Yet somehow, by 1959, Oswald was already competent enough to be reading newspapers, journals, novels, and other literature. 

Russian is challenging language. 

It would be even more daunting for a high school dropout with no formal training to become as competent as Oswald was prior to the time he left for the Soviet Union in 1959. 

I speak 4 languages from 3 families and formally studied 6.


I find memorizing vocabulary and grammar rules and finding similarities and differences fun.


As a child, i spent hours reading a french encyclopedia w/o speaking french.


I still remember what false morel mushroom is in french and latin.


By the way, the other 5 languages i know don’t capitalize the pronoun for the first person singular so i don’t see a reason to do it in english. I also don’t capitalize adjectives.

Of course they can! I have heard that people with ASD are actually better at leaning languages and accents than neuro trypicals

Autistics in general have a strong drive to focus on particular interests. If that interest is language, the focus may help them to learn that language fast.

As well, autistic focus may take in more aspects of the language than neurotypicals generally manage. It may be that adult autistics are better at learning the unfamiliar sounds of a new language where neurotypicals may lose that to a greater extent as they mature.

If you bear in mind that “autism” can be seen as referring generically to many different kinds of variations in cerebral connections and there are major differences amongst autistics. Some obsess on detail while others have the ability to draw broader conceptual connections than neurotypicals normally can.

Someone who has a more-global feel for language may be able to learn other languages faster through having a better sense of the etymology of words.

There is no single answer because categories such as autism or Asperger Syndrome cover a wide range of people and personalities.

That’s what makes the official elimination of “Asperger Syndrome” so entertaining. It cannot easily be distinguished from autism because autism is a grab-bag of neurological variation that would seem to have no clear core characteristic or cause. Don’t be too surprised if autism itself is debunked completely within the next few years. It seems little more than a pathologising of normal variation and the creation of a market for medication and therapies through associating healthy variation with disabling extremes.

There is an inherent problem with your question in that it assumes that all people with autism are the same, which is just patently untrue. That is why they call it a spectrum. My 15 1/2 year old has aspergers and he is one of the most brilliant people I know. He was learning Russian at 10 (but stopped as he transferred schools) and is now learning Spanish in high school (and getting an A).

I really implore everyone to understand and accept that autism is a spectrum disorder and, as such, you can't lump everyone who has it into the same pile. They are humans with differences, just as any “neurotypical “ person is (lots of whom I know who seem wholly incapable of learning other languages).

If he were receiving “one-on-one lessons” during his stint in the Marines, the major questions to be answered are:  (a) who was giving him the lessons?; (b) when did the lessons occur outside of his well-documented regular Marine duties?; (c) where did they occur?; and (d) how could he have attained a skill set in such a short time to be able to take an Army Russian-language competency exam?  Zack Stout was a fellow Marine who worked alongside Oswald every day for a ten-month period either in the radar bubble in Atsugi, the Philippines, Subic Bay, aboard ship, and while they were on liberty.  Neither Stout nor any other Marine witnessed Oswald receiving lessons in the Russian language.

doc wrote:Mathias,

The following is the extent of what we know about the Warren Commission's inquiry into the possibility that  Oswald studied Russian at the foreign language institute in Monterey.  In a closed-door meeting of the Warren Commission, general counsel J. Lee Rankin stated that,

“we are trying to find out what [Oswald] studied at the Monterey School of the Army in the way of languages.”

Of course, Rankin's inquiry produced no documented results and no conclusions about where Oswald learned Russian.  And in the Marine records of Oswald, there is no placement of Oswald in Monterey, especially for the lengthy period of time that would be necessary for intensive foreign language training.

Thanks very much for getting the ball rolling on this discussion.

James

alex wrote:To send some disaffected Marine to eavesdrop in a Byelorussian radio factory?
Oswald was a fucking grunt for Armstrongs sake! A private first class. I don't buy the stuff about the U2. Sure, he may well have known some codes, but the radar detectors he was working with didn't have the range to track it over China 
There's nothing Oswald could have told the Soviets that they didn't already know.