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Did Oswald Smash his Rifle After the Shooting?

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Did Oswald Smash his Rifle After the Shooting?

Post by Guest on Fri 31 Jan 2014, 1:14 pm

One of the more comical Lame Nut talking points, and one universally accepted by this crowd even though there is not a shred of evidence to support it, is that the reason the scope on the Carcano found on the 6th floor was so badly out of adjustment is that Oswald, in a fit of madness (?), smashed the rifle against a post on the 6th floor just before he hid it.



If this were true, it would only serve to highlight another puzzling thing about the Carcano. When cartridges are loaded into the Carcano magazine, they must be in the en bloc clip that holds them. There is a spring loaded elevator bar that pushes up on the bottom cartridge in the clip, but does not contact the clip itself. When the last cartridge is chambered, there is nothing to hold the clip up and it simply falls out the bottom of the magazine onto the ground.



Should this clip hang up in the magazine, the tiniest of bumps will jar it loose and make it drop out. With all of the handling by the shooter, following the chambering of the fourth and last cartridge, and the handling by the DPD searching for fingerprints, the clip does not fall out, and is not seen until Day is carrying the Carcano on Houston St. Oddly, it still has not fallen to the ground, but can be seen protruding partway out of the magazine.



One would think a blow hard enough to knock the scope out of alignment would have easily jarred the clip loose.








Observe, in this diagram, how the spring loaded elevator bar is lifting on the bottom cartridge, but not the clip, as the elevator bar is actually inside the clip. Once the last cartridge is chambered, the elevator bar is up near the bolt and the clip falls out the opening in the bottom of the magazine.

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Re: Did Oswald Smash his Rifle After the Shooting?

Post by Stan Dane on Fri 31 Jan 2014, 1:54 pm

Traveller11 wrote:
Damn, that's one big ugly bullet. If they were any longer, they'd look like curtain rods.

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Re: Did Oswald Smash his Rifle After the Shooting?

Post by Guest on Fri 31 Jan 2014, 5:05 pm

And yet it is only 6.5 mm calibre. The combination of the very long bullet and the smaller calibre made this a very stable bullet in flight.

The 6.5mm Mannlicher-Schoenauer shoots an almost identical bullet, and the bullet was so stable, FMJ versions were used to hunt elephants in Africa. These bullets were stable enough in flight to penetrate the thick skull of an elephant, without breaking up or tumbling, and reach the elephant's brain.

Did JFK have a thicker skull than an elephant?

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Re: Did Oswald Smash his Rifle After the Shooting?

Post by ianlloyd on Fri 31 Jan 2014, 7:16 pm

Traveller11 wrote:One of the more comical Lame Nut talking points, and one universally accepted by this crowd even though there is not a shred of evidence to support it, is that the reason the scope on the Carcano found on the 6th floor was so badly out of adjustment is that Oswald, in a fit of madness (?), smashed the rifle against a post on the 6th floor just before he hid it.



If this were true, it would only serve to highlight another puzzling thing about the Carcano. When cartridges are loaded into the Carcano magazine, they must be in the en bloc clip that holds them. There is a spring loaded elevator bar that pushes up on the bottom cartridge in the clip, but does not contact the clip itself. When the last cartridge is chambered, there is nothing to hold the clip up and it simply falls out the bottom of the magazine onto the ground.



Should this clip hang up in the magazine, the tiniest of bumps will jar it loose and make it drop out. With all of the handling by the shooter, following the chambering of the fourth and last cartridge, and the handling by the DPD searching for fingerprints, the clip does not fall out, and is not seen until Day is carrying the Carcano on Houston St. Oddly, it still has not fallen to the ground, but can be seen protruding partway out of the magazine.



One would think a blow hard enough to knock the scope out of alignment would have easily jarred the clip loose.








Observe, in this diagram, how the spring loaded elevator bar is lifting on the bottom cartridge, but not the clip, as the elevator bar is actually inside the clip. Once the last cartridge is chambered, the elevator bar is up near the bolt and the clip falls out the opening in the bottom of the magazine.
How easy would it be to load the clip into the magazine if there were only 4 bullets in the clip, rather than 6?

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Re: Did Oswald Smash his Rifle After the Shooting?

Post by Guest on Fri 31 Jan 2014, 7:38 pm

As easy as loading a clip with 6 cartridges. The clip can be loaded with only 1 or 2 cartridges in it. As I said, the elevator bar omly goes down as far as the number of bullets in the clip.


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Re: Did Oswald Smash his Rifle After the Shooting?

Post by ianlloyd on Fri 31 Jan 2014, 9:50 pm

OK, thanks - I was just wondering as it looks like with anything less than 6 in the clip, the bullets would be loose and that may make it more difficult to load them.

BTW - excellent posts on the history of the Carcano etc. Very interesting and absorbing reading - I look forward to learning more!!!

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