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Investigation of Ruby co-signing bank loans

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Investigation of Ruby co-signing bank loans

Post by greg parker on Sat 02 Aug 2014, 3:07 pm

David L Johnston, the Justice of the Peace who "arraigned" Oswald on two murder counts and issued a warrant on a third charge of assault to murder, was interviewed by the FBI on 11/12/63 (see CE 2272  )

It is the last paragraph of the FBI report generated by that interview that is of interest here, and I quote:

Mr Johnston said that after Ruby shot Oswald, he received information from a confidential source whom he declined to identify that Ruby had been co-signer on some loans obtained at Dallas banks by some Dallas Police Department officers. He told this information to Chief of Police Curry but did not disclose his source to Curry. He understands that inquiry was subsequently conducted at Republic National Bank of Dallas and the First National Bank in Dallas and it was verified that Ruby had actually been co-signer on some loans obtained by police officers at those banks. Mr Johnston said he had no further details concerning this matter.

The report was signed by Special Agents Edmund C Hardin and Robert J Wilkison.

Curry did order an investigation. Detective Hart
 of the Criminal Intelligence Section (CIS) visited four banks (the two named as well as the American Bank and Trust of Oak Cliff and the Oak Cliff Bank & Trust Co). In all cases, the indices were searched and no trace of Ruby being a co-signer on any loans was found. 

See hrt pg 1 
and hart pg 2 

The day Hart visited the Republic National Bank (12/3/63), the FBI was also there, interviewing asst cashier Richard Marks about members of CUSA. According to information Bruce Adamson received during his investigation into George DeM, the bank was filled with CIA officials.



Had wondered if the "loans" might not have actually been payments. Then I found that the Wash Post reported in '67 that this particular bank had been a conduit for CIA funds since '58, and suspicion increased.

Time to see what others think.The name of the person who assisted Hart with his inquiries at the Republic National Bank wast Lee Drain, brother to FBI agent Vince. 

Additionally there seems to be no trace of anyone (not Johnson, not Curry, not Revill, not Gannaway and not Hart) being questioned about the allegation by the WC or HSCA, leaving both Johnston's statement to the FBI and Hart's possibly less than rigorous investigation of it untested as to accuracy and veracity.

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Re: Investigation of Ruby co-signing bank loans

Post by Guest on Sat 02 Aug 2014, 6:47 pm

Greg, this is a wonderful tidbit, thank you. I've been thinking something along these same lines - that the possibility exists that Ruby was actually being paid by the CIA. If that were the case... it's why I've been interested in Ruby and "counterfeit money".

From a banking standpoint, Ruby's ability to co-sign loans would depend on his credit at the bank, and so I would guess (just "off the cuff") that these loans probably preceded Ruby's troubles with the IRS.

And, it's also clear that Ruby had considerably more cash going through his hands, than he was reporting. The mere idea that he could stand in line at the bank with 7000 dollars in his hand, and then "not deposit it", ... is very suspicious. Definitely odd behavior, even on Preludin. Anyway, if he had some place to put the money "other than the bank", it might suggest we should be looking for some form of laundering mechanism.

Civello and the Campisis were the local laundry, correct? What do we know about them, in this context? Do we know anything about their bank dealings, and which banks they were using? I don't suppose any of them had accounts at Republic National?

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Re: Investigation of Ruby co-signing bank loans

Post by greg parker on Sun 03 Aug 2014, 9:27 am

Brian, short answer for  now. I don't think ruby's tax debt was real. I'm looking more at treasury Intel unit here. More later.

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Ruby's Tax Debt

Post by greg parker on Tue 05 Aug 2014, 10:41 am


  • Ruby's debt commenced when an attorney advised him that the Vegas Club was not a "cabaret" for IRS purposes and he therefore was not subject to federal excise. Ruby set his prices accordingly.
  • No action was taken against the attorney for this advice, and no action was taken to appeal the IRS assessment.
  • The debt was assessed at over 40k and accumulated between 1956 and 1962. 
  • The IRS agreed to allow Ruby to pay the debt off and did not add any penalties - despite knowing Ruby was a bad risk given the parlous state of his accounting.  


The IRS definition of "cabaret"
Any roof garden, cabaret or other similar place which furnishes a public performance for profit, but not including a place where merely
live dramatic or musical arts performances are offered in conjunction with the serving or selling of food, refreshment or merchandise, so long as such serving or selling of food, refreshment or merchandise is merely incidental to such performances.


What is the definition of "incidental"?
 While petitioner's place of business constitutes a cabaret or "similar place" where a public performance is staged for profit, it must also be determined that petitioner's sales of refreshments are more than incidental to its provision of entertainment. The Division is correct in looking to Federal case law for assistance in determining the meaning of "incidental" since this provision is derived from the former Federal excise tax on cabaret charges (see, IRC งง 4231, 4232; see also, Matter of Tralfamador Cafe [TSB-A-95(42)S]; Matter of Empire Management and Productions [TSB-A-96(9)S] ). In determining whether sales of refreshments are only incidental to the furnishing of entertainment, one of the primary factors reviewed in the Federal cases is the ratio of sales for refreshments to gross sales (see, Roberto v. United States, 357 F Supp 862, affd 518 F2d 1109; Dance Town U.S.A. v. United States, 319 F Supp 634). In the present case petitioner's refreshment sales constitute 48% of its total sales. This percentage by itself illustrates that the selling of refreshments was not merely incidental to petitioner's business, but was an integral part of that business (see, Dance Town U.S.A. v. United States, supra).

Were Ruby's "refreshments" an integral part of his business? I have no idea. But it does underline that it could have been tested in court.

I have no evidence for this, but I do have information from someone I believe to be reliable that Ruby was associated with the Capone gang as a runner at the time the gang was infiltrated by Treasury investigator, Mike Malone. Further, Malone was operating in Los Angeles when Ruby moved there selling race guides and whatever else. Lastly, Malone allegedly ran a network of informants who were in "trouble" with the IRS.

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