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Thanks for the kind words Jonathan. 

As far as I'm concerned I'm just high stepping it in the chorus line, trying to ignore the chafing,  the ladder in my brand , pardon me,  Braun new fishnets and that lecherous old git, Boot's , ever
wandering hands.....he's worse than Peter fucking Lemkin , the octopus of troof,  when he accidentally spiked himself with the 500 mikes of pure STP,  he stashed away in the tie dyed flares Janis Joplin did a totally epic projectile vomit onto ( for the love of Armstrong DON'T ask what he was doing,  licking the reeking crotch of 55 year old flares) Thinking he was the product of some mystical cosmic Union of Giacomo Casanova and the multi tentacled Clthulu,  he went on a rampage down at the shallow end of the Prague Municipal Swimming Pool,  amidst the screaming,  writhing semi erect tentacles and large purple faced moustached fathers, beer bellies sagging like Dawn Meredith,  on the cover of her Dance like an Israeli Deep State Actor- the Official 9/11 work out, splashing around in the cloudy urine tinged water, swearing vengeance,  Lemkin was eventually bundled out, minus a tentacle, left,  flopping limply on the surface,  like the time John Butler climbed into the alligator enclosure at the Bronx Zoo,  " Hey Stevie are you quite sure alligators are a type of giant hairless squirrel, this critter don't look too friendly,  or too horny neither", and dragged away,  shrieking about how the CIA had bugged his underpants,  " You try finding specially padded underpants with 8 leg holes in Prague", he gibbered as he was restrained , tentacles stuffed into 4 straightjackets,  and locked in the back of an unmarked ambulance......

You and Jeremy in particular ( along with about half a dozen others) do the real heavy lifting,  in the vermin infested trenches of the  crated,  shell scared ntellectual wasteland that was once  the Education Forum 

A place where genuine debate flourished and ideas could be exchanged without the small minded rancour. Or the mindless repetitious twittering of cowards, who disguise their malign agendas and uncivil propaganda soaked rhetoric beneath insincerity and hollow platitudes,  masquerading as " civility "

A place where new research was encouraged,  and where new researchers were encouraged , instead of being victimized,  forced to undergo a virtual inquisition for daring to voice heretical views and not just tamely accepting the Orthodox Gospel. 

Of course it wasn't perfect,  it is memory,  with its soft honeyed murmurs, binding vague half forgotten fragments together,  making the past blaze with the radiance of a sleepy sun,  slipping gently down behind the big tree that once stood in grandma's back yard, that weaves perfection together from the disparate,  sometimes broken  strands that are most decidedly  not , but at least it wasn't shameful. Or a pulpit for washed out pimps,  geriatric cheerleaders,  barely able to stagger out of their Let's Go Brandon mobility scooters to wave their wrinkled pom poms,  as wizened as John Butler's you know whats,  when he was in one of his experimental phases,  wanting to find out if " them beavers know how to use them teeth proper like " and if wild Alaskan sea otters really are " the squirrels of the deep"

Or vaguely sinister characters determined to peddle their warped political agendas 

It's just so fucking predictable, soul numbingly so, to see the same old junk being constantly reheated and regurgitated. Alterationism and the doppelgangbangers in particular. Dredging up Jim Fetzer's spoof masterpiece and what's with these endless fucking gifs? 

What exactly are we meant to be seeing? 

Jonathan, you just aren't thinking deep enough here. There were obviously FOUR separate Marguerites 

Turkey Marguerite ( Fake mom #3) and Piggly Wiggly Marguerite ( fake mom #4)

Remember,  according to the doppelgangbangers resident super genius brain trust the CIA had a whole bullpen of doppelganger Oswalds,  ready and waiting. In case a 5 6' Oswald was urgently needed to buy trucks,  after all,  you never know, the entire " Oswald Project " might hinge upon rustling up a balding black haired Oswald,  in overalls and yellow shoes,  to go to a barber shop in Oak Cliff. 

And what about the spate of Oswald sightings in Alice, Texas? 

Maybe Albert Osborne got drunk with Boots and T, and forgot to lock up the fake Oswald warehouse,  imagine that!! Fezzo the Fez's ultimate fantasy!! A barracks full of doppelganged Oswalds, lounging around,  playing cards, learning Russian,  writing long impassioned love letters to Juddufki,  or scribbling notes to " Dear Mr Hunt" 

" Wanna smoke Lee?", " Sorry buddy,  check my neck, I don't have a fake mastoidectomy so that means I'm a Harvey,  surely you remember the List of Do's and Don'ts for Doppelgangers? We had it MK Ultraed into us, almost as soon as we got out our test tubes,  Harveys are puny malnourished Manhattan intellectual types , who didn't smoke" " Listen,  Harv,  I didn't pop outa no test tube,  I'm 100% all American natural Oswald "

Picture the Oswald Project Personnel Department. 

Just one harassed late middle aged CIA analyst,  with a peptic ulcer,  an ill fitting toupee and a teenage daughter who fell in love with a renegade doppelganger, the fugitive lovers, cryptonym " MK Julidt" were discovered living in a dilapidated trailer in the Pacific Northwest,  with a large hairy relic hominid called Bill..

All day and every day,  answering the fucking phone: " I need an unshaven borracho looking Oswald,  5 9', for immediate dispatch to JMWave" , " I desperately need an incredibly athletic 6 foot Oswald,  generously endowed in the trouser department,  protruding teeth and slightly bushy tail,,  for urgent dispatch to BJKENTUCKY " " Mr Butler,  if you call here again I'll contact the FBI, how the fuck did you even get this number?"" You want a Fat Nazi,  6 5', highly recognizable and notoriously indiscreet? Sorry,  buddy,  Project Lancelot is Extension 1945, sounds like you're looking for them,  this is Project Oswald,  purely doppelgangercentric,  now if you were after a dumpy 5 foot frump with detachable mole and a mouth on her like a longshoreman then I could definitely help you out"

Being a loyal and upstanding member of the Doppelgangerjugend ( Lance Doppel 2nd class,  3rd Battalion,  4th Skagit Regiment) I'll contact my company doppelfuhrer,  if I did indeed get my fake moms and their choices in comestibles mixed up,  I'll accept punishment. 6 months solitary confinement in the Hole,  a corrugated iron shack,  just off Jack White Platz,  in the compound,  deep in the inhospitable hinterland of the Utah desert.

HARVEY and LEE should be remarketed as a comedy book...

Long distance calls in 1963

This site details history of the necessary switching machines:
https://telephoneworld.org/long-distance-companies/att-long-distance-network/history-of-att-long-lines/historical-4a-4m-crossbar-tandem-list/
Dallas and New Orleans were among the earliest cities to get them in 1951 and 1953, respectively:

These thirteen machines were originally called #A4A machines. This
stood for “Anticipated” #4 “Advanced”. They were originally installed
withOUT any card-translator boxes, however they were manufactured for
“easy” addition of card-translators when they became perfected for use
in 1953. Unfortunately, I don’t have the dates that these machines
added their card-translators, other than that it was during/after 1953.

Did Oswald deny living at 1026 N Beckley?

She is telling tall stories again...
This is a PAThetic HALLmark moment!

How or why number a room or a side porch, THAT WASNT RENTED OUT, as #3. All her Grandmas plants were in there...it was kids play room etc.
(not a library though...)

Lets say you have a packet of numerals you are going to number rooms for renters identification, rooms #1-10, leaving out the #0.
(Which is the number you would have left to later use to number the tiny room.)

But one thing she cant show is a number 3 above that door...as she says, other doors have their numbers. (old survey says the back rooms still had 3,4 had been removed but the outline of where those numbers were could still be seen!
Pat wont allow the Tours of back porch or downstairs. She'd need to hide all the evidence of this. It'd be a task for sure!
Suppose there isnt a single receipt for him.... or Leon down there in the dusty basement with all the other evidence. (or Non-evidence)
Not a single renter has a correct memory of Oswald at Beckley. They do recall Floyd DeGraffenried whom read Westerns, drank, went to Mexico, wore Western clothes...was small like Oswald and 'might' be mistaken for Oswald (if you didnt really know either)
Pat Hall, like Grandma, wont ever show "Mr Leon Lee's receipt, or any receipt of the era,
nor any guest books!
Roomer named 'Dan'(?) lived there for life!
But he never knew a thing about any Oswald living there.
Of course Pat avoids telling us a thing about HERBERT LEON LEE.
No surprise because everything she says IS about HERBERT LEON LEE
No key to lock up the room and pistola...even though There Were Locks on tiny room etc.
So not THEE genuine story.
Proof is in the pudding, 
SURVEY SAYS:


"The basement contains 5 rooms, No. 5-10, each with its metal number and with the last city inspection notice taped to the door."

Wait a minute... if Pat says 1 2 3 4 & 5 are upstairs then Downstairs must begin 6 7 8 9 10, but historical survey DISAGREES with Pat Hall.
5-10 are downstairs.

If there were only rooms 1-4 for rent upstairs then there must be 5-10 downstairs as survey says.
They later numbered the tiny room, but sorry Pat room 3 was already numbered and it was in the back of house, where the back porch is now, next to #4.
Rooms 3 and 4 are no longer there. Removed for some reason...hmm
Please chime in your thoughts on room #s and Pats memory hole.

Then please re-read, or listen to my essay.
Ive been two steps ahead of this woman since day one.

Seems Grandma' excuse for LEE HARVEY OSWALD signing in as or being interviewed and given a through and through by Grandma wasnt so thorough
if she thought his name was O.H. Lee.

Seems the only people whom can ascribe Lee as Oswald have a financial interest in telling "A Story" not "The Story."
Her charade is flimsy and unsupported
CHEERS!
Ed

PS.
Pat is trying to use the Historic Survey's numbering of upstairs rooms (which were not all there) to say #3 is how it was labeled in 1963.
HA!

the assassination in dot points

I've never heard of the "poison his steak at the Trade Mart" theory. It seems a little too convoluted and low-rent. They took the time at the depository to really make a statement there…

Main Street by pistol or luncheon by poison seems a little too convoluted and low rent?
 
Of the three options posited by Greg, the Dealey Plaza/TSBD option—the one that "worked"—was the shakiest and flimsiest in my view. Any "time taken to really make a statement" was after the fact following caveman-like brute force.
 
All of the best, most reliable evidence (interrogation records, affidavits, and news reports, etc.) place Oswald down in front with his boss and co-workers as the motorcade passed by the TSBD.
 
Want to see something convoluted? Try this:
 
After the shots, a police officer enters the TSBD and encounters Oswald near the entrance or just inside the entrance. Oswald is vouched for.
The cop runs up to the roof with Truly, ostensibly via the rear stairs, and encounters a man on the third or fourth floor. This dude is vouched for, and on up they go.
This cop, Baker, fills out a statement that evening in the general presence of Oswald who had earlier gotten nabbed at the Texas theater. Baker mentions nothing about a second floor lunchroom encounter nor Oswald as the man he saw.  
When it became clear that Oswald's airtight alibi had to be deflated, he was moved to the second floor in a series of "refinements" by Truly (Oswald's "damn the bad luck" elimination at police headquarters made these story "refinements" much easier).
Refinement #1: Oswald is seen sitting at a table in the second floor lunchroom (2FLR). *
Refinement #2: Oswald is brought to his feet leaning at a counter in the 2FLR.
Refinement #3: Oswald is standing by the Coke machine in the 2FLR sipping a Coke.
Refinement #4: Oswald is seen (a "glimpse") to be walking into the 2FLR toward the Coke machine.
 
Refinement #4: was the story presented to the Warren Commission.
 
Then six months later when Baker was asked to clarify whether or not there were any additional people in the 2FLR, he never mentions catching a "glimpse" of him, something he did multiple times in his WC testimony, nor does he even mention Oswald by name. No, he just sees a man standing in the lunchroom. Pretty much what he said back in November 1963.       
 
Talk about convoluted! Low rent? Hell, this is skid row!
 
Luncheon poisoning is much more simple and straightforward than this hideous monstrosity.

* The Secret Service did a video in late 1963 where they try to show how a man could have left the sixth floor "snipers nest," ditched the rifle, and then make it down four flights of stairs and into the 2FLR and sit down at a table in 90 seconds. But in doing so, they had the actor descend the four flights of stairs in a mere six seconds!

A Dialogue between Angleton and Machiavelli on the Grassy Knoll..

alex_wilson wrote:To be honest Chris, I see absolutely nothing untoward , just a guy in a suit.. But I'm perfectly willing to accept that I'm not able to perceive, or indeed comprehend,  in a technical sense, at least, the point you are trying to make.

That’s a start. We actually agree the figure is a guy in a suit. Think of where his physical location is.

And even if there is an anomaly could it not have a perfectly reasonable non sinister explanation? Could it not just be a simple matter involving sprocket holes? As Jake suggests?

I’d be interested to hear the explanation for this next gif after my description.

For the life of me I can't fathom why anyone would bother altering someone's shoulder....how does Ready's shoulder affect the narrative?. Perhaps you will say it's an artifact of alteration...but being completely honest Chris that makes no sense. To me at least.

It hides reactions. Primarily to a shot.

If all these intricate alterations were possible, why instead of altering Ready's shoulder or Mary Moorman's shoes, or any one of the seemingly endless anomalies , did they not just alter a film, or a photo and put an Oswald like figure in the 6th floor window? Why go to all the trouble only to leave a film/ photo record that strongly suggests a conspiracy?

Total exoneration for the SS, FBI, WC. Whether a lack of duty or some type of direct involvement. Oswald the sole goat.

To be perfectly candid I think a lot of alterations are simply people, predisposed to the idea of alteration, who do not possess the necessary technical knowledge, looking at images they don't have the prerequisite training to properly evaluate ,and seeing something that appears to be an " anomaly" they claim alteration...

The images have to agree with photographic principles. See description of gif.

An expert in one subject is not automatically an expert in everything...

There are always experts on both sides. Court trials include both prosecuting and defense experts.

But Chris with the greatest respect I don't think it's mathematicians we should be listening to. Am I correct in thinking that you're basing your calculations on the Secret Service ( FBI?) reenactment? I'd like to discuss your theory mainly because I disagree with you. 

How can you disagree with me when you state you don’t understand what I’m providing for you, mathematically.
The SS, FBI, WC reenactments are a lesson in common sense mind fu—ing.

Chris, please don't be offended or take what I'm about to say in the wrong way, if I was you I'd try to make my theory more accessible. The Swan Song thread was absolutely incomprehensible. 

The Swan Song thread is my repository. Enter at your own risk.

Anyway if you have the time and the patience I'd be interested to discuss your theory in greater detail. I'd be incredibly grateful if you would be kind enough to spell out your central thesis in terms a layman could understand.

Eventually, I might do that for you.
Since we appear to perceive life approx 180° out relating to the assassination(I do appreciate your insight's on the Holocaust) it might not be worth the effort.
I’ll base that on this last gif, plus the description provided and your response.
Hope you understand.

Anatomy 101
#1 is Ready’s left shoulder line
#2 does not belong to Ready
#2 is the left arm +hand+partial shoulder+partial left side torso of somebody.
That arm/shoulder/torso is facing fairly close to the same direction as Ready.
There is no human head attached to it unless you want to somehow convince others the head is cocked downwards. Good luck with that!!!
That arm/shoulder/torso is not in front of Ready
 #3 is an object in front of where Ready’s left shoulder connects to his arm
The only thing we should see in #3 is the rest of Ready’s shoulder/arm connection just as we see in the layered unaltered frame.
There should be nothing(because there was nothing) in front of Ready. I suggest watching the fade in/out very carefully at that moment.
#4 is Ready’s hand holding the QueenMary hand bar.
The unaltered frame also shows Ready holding the hand bar unobstructed. This is what one would expect when there is no obstruction  accounted for.

As I stated previously, I don’t need to supply an explanation for why the alteration exists (hiding reactions to shot, among other items) only that it does.

A Dialogue between Angleton and Machiavelli on the Grassy Knoll..

Gif caption #1 " For the last time Mr Butler the shape of my nose is the result of evolution...Mac Wallace did NOT bend it and then use me to fire poison darts out of the ladies toilet on the 2nd floor of the Dal Tex building"

#2 " For the last time Mr Doyle I was NOT Jimi Hendrix's manager and intel spooks did NOT use me to pour 5 bottles of wine down the guitarist's throat "

#3 " No , Mr Hughes for the last time my name is NOT David Ferrie, I am NOT Jewish and I wasn't filmed on the Grassy Knoll wearing a snorkel and a purple Purim robe"

#4 " For clarification Mr Trotter I find the term " Curved Proboscis" highly offensive... and please tell your friend we most certainly do not hibernate in the handbags of 300lb grey haired women, nor is our natural habitat the doorways of School Book Depositories..."

"5 " What am I meant to be looking for up here Mr Pigby, sorry Rigby? Spent shells or CIA film alteration manuals"

#6 " No, Mr Healy I most certainly will not colonically irrigate you!! "

#7 " For the last fucking time I do not have a shrew doppelganger called Ichabod who comes from Moldova!! And the CIA most certainly DID NOT use my nose to alter frame 313"

#8 " No, Mr Butler I wasn't hiding up Marilyn Sitzman's skirt and I most certainly did NOT use my nose to film the footage known as " the Other film"

#9 " No, Mr Millegan I will not say I was a happy well adjusted young white mouse... I don't want to appear at your fucking conference and I most certainly will not allow Me Baker to disembowel me live on YouTube"

#10 " .... and then Don Jeffries said to me " What about if I bend over like this?"

the latest installment of the 12 who built the oswald legend

As mentioned in Chapter 7, it helps to take a look at two separate but closely linked entities. Bill Hyde's Nationwide Insurance Company was part of the International Cooperative Alliance (ICA), founded in 1922 and which still exists today. This is easily confused with the International Cooperation Administration (ICA), formed in 1954 and where Legend Maker #9 George de Mohrenschildt conducted petroleum intelligence in the fifties.

Fred Korth's brother, Romeo Korth (https://www.stec.org/sites/stec/files/PDF/Annual Report/75thHistoryTimeline.pdf), was president of "South Texas Electric Cooperative". This cooperative was a member of the International Cooperative Alliance. 

Edwin Ekdahl and his sister Elvira were both involved in the cooperative movement. Elvira wrote her thesis on the subject: The co-operative movement in Denmark

Edwin Ekdahl was living with his family in New York during the 1940 election. William Hyde was living in New York with his family during the 1940 election. Both men were fans of Norman Thomas who was running for president. Norman Thomas was a fan of the cooperative movement. Thomas's running mate was George A Nelson - a man of Danish parentage - same as the Ekdahls.

William would take his daughter Ruth to Norman Thomas rallies. It is quite possible that Edwin took his son Dewey, who was the same age as Ruth, to the same rallies. 
(this is all covered in Volume One of Lee Harvey Oswald's Cold War)

Ruth Paine commented: "The information about the CIA considering my father for Vietnam was a surprise. I doubt if he would have accepted such an invitation, if it was offered. He certainly didn't go. He went to Peru. He was working with the Agency for International Development. He helped to develop rural credit unions for the compasinos so that they could save enough money to make loans to themselves, instead of always paying the huge bank rates. He loved it. I know that USAID asked my father to appraise a situation in Georgetown, Guyana. He recommended against starting a project there, as he thought the local officials corrupt."

Initially this work was not as successful as Ruth Paine claimed above: the effort to capitalize on the desire for housing led to the formation of savings and loan associations. Peruvian legislation enacted in 1957
was the first to provide for the creation of a savings and loan system, though a 1965 AID report suggests that the movement did not really get underway until September, 1960. Associations had commenced operation in Chile by April, 1960.8 Technical experts advised, however, that the financing of housing required more saving than the prospective borrowers alone could be expected to accumulate.."
https://www.jec.senate.gov/reports/91st%20Congress/Thrift%20Institution%20Development%20in%20Latin%20America%20(484).pdf

But USAID was not the only agency active in Peru in 1957.

"...prepared in January 1957 by a 'working group on Latin America' - including representatives from the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the Departments of State and Commerce, the US Information Agency and the military - was even more explicit about the 'threat' to Western interests posed by a growing census count south of the border."
https://twn.my/title/peru-cn.htm

Bill Hyde was also a strong anti-communist. Dr. Richard Jenkins of the Psychiatric Evaluation Board in Washington DC went to Stanford with the Hydes, and said that "Bill Hyde had been active in the cooperative movement and therefore was aware of the attempts of the Communists to infililtrate the cooperative movement.

Like Hyde, the Hoke family was also involved in looking for communists. There is a 1955 memo to the CIA's Office of Security, discussing how William Avery Hyde was back in his hometown of Palo Alto visiting the Hokes. Brought into the circle was Dr. Jenkins and also Taylor Bielefeldt.

Bill is right. The whole milieu. The Hydes, the Paines, the Hokes, the Ekdahls, the Korths, Norman Thomas and the Socialist Party. 

Several people close to Oswald were also active in the Joint Publications Research Service. These people include Legend Maker #3 Priscilla Johnson, the NANA reporter in Moscow who befriended the Oswald family; Legend Maker #4 Richard Snyder, the American consul in Moscow; and the allegedly unwitting Spas Raikin, who greeted the Oswald family when they arrived in New York City from the USSR in 1962.

The 1955 memo mentions that Hoke, Bielefeldt and the aforementioned Dr. Richard Jenkins were all Stanford graduates. Hoke has been described as "a very brilliant person who is not very stable but who is very creative."

The focus of the 1955 meeting was about Paul and Violet Orr. Both were Communist Party members in the San Francisco Bay Area. Paul had just been harshly interrogated by HUAC earlier that year. Violet had worked in the 1930s in the CP-friendly American League Against War and Fascism, just as Harvey's informant Elizabeth Bentley had done. In more recent years, Violet had been part of the visible Communist Party leadership.

This is all new to me, is of much interest and warrants further research.

end part 2