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Post by greg parker on Tue 06 Dec 2016, 11:17 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMblToYoWzA

Two items 

1. Oswald was to be killed inside the TSBD. 

Bzzzzt! Oswald was to be killed at the Texas Theater for a very specific reason. Unlike David, I actually have evidence for this contention awaiting publication.

2. Oswald's wounds were not fatal. "Air bubbles" in the heart prove he was murdered at Parkland Hospital.

Bzzzzt! 

If he publishes that bullshit, I'm going to have a field day. Clue: what he is talking about here is an embolism. 

Lifton is far worse than a 100 Doyles. I for one can't wait for his book to come out because I am going after every piece of shit claim in it.


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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Wed 07 Dec 2016, 12:29 am

Greg wrote:Lifton is far worse than a 100 Doyles.

Now that is VERY bad!
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Post by greg parker on Wed 07 Dec 2016, 8:09 am

Lifton's book is going to get the full JVB - Armstrong treatment.

Another clue: his "murder at Parkland" theory didn't come from anything as silly as maybe studying books on the autopsies of gunshot victims... noooo.... that would ruin it for him. His theory comes from some old quack in some pissant little Texas town.

Anyhow, I did what Lifton should have done... and I can't wait for him to publish so I can rip him a new one.

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Post by Goban Saor on Wed 07 Dec 2016, 11:01 am

I'm looking forward greatly to your next book, Greg. When is it likely to be published?

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Post by greg parker on Wed 07 Dec 2016, 11:30 am

Goban Saor wrote:I'm looking forward greatly to your next book, Greg. When is it likely to be published?
Sorry to say it is way behind schedule because of the health thing and business collapse. Additionally I've since committed to work on scripts for a documentary series.

But... health is improving, business matters mostly cleaned up, and have almost completed part one of the docu series. Won't take it any further at the moment as no deal is in place. As soon as I have part one done, I'll be throwing my energy back into the book with the aim of a release around the time of the last document releases around Sept/Oct next year.

I am also keen to hold another conference sometime between Sept and Nov, but need to make sure this time it can break even. Other issues need to be addressed as well. There are only limited numbers who can give live presentations in this country, so I see it as almost essential that we can get someone from US or UK out here.

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Post by Goban Saor on Wed 07 Dec 2016, 12:28 pm

That's a hectic schedule. Mind the health whatever you do.

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Post by greg parker on Wed 07 Dec 2016, 1:37 pm

Goban Saor wrote:That's a hectic schedule. Mind the health whatever you do.
It's a double-edged sword. I work best under pressure. Get lazy when I have too much time on my hands...

Also while recovering, I was well down on motivation. Just felt a bit crushed under everything coming down. 

But that motivation is coming back - and a lot of that is due to the great work being done by Hasan, Ed and Bart. 

Encouragement from those who have been (and maybe continue) to go through far worse is also a good motivator. 

I might even be getting optimistic again about what we here at ROKC can accomplish.

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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Wed 07 Dec 2016, 4:20 pm

Greg wrote:But that motivation is coming back - and a lot of that is due to the great work being done by Hasan, Ed and Bart. 

Much of your research has been a huge motivation for me, Greg, so I'm glad I gave some of that back to you.
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Post by steely dan on Thu 08 Dec 2016, 4:47 am

Brian has mentioned he'll be buying the book. Looking forward to his Amazon review.
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Post by Vinny on Sat 24 Dec 2016, 10:57 pm

Lifton is claiming that one of the Parkland doctors murdered Oswald.He will be revealing his name in his new book Final Charade.

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Post by greg parker on Sun 25 Dec 2016, 12:19 am

Vinny wrote:Lifton is claiming that one of the Parkland doctors murdered Oswald.He will be revealing his name in his new book Final Charade.
Yep. That's the claim Vinny. 

And I'll be ready to rub his fat face in it.

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Post by Jake Sykes on Sun 25 Dec 2016, 1:37 am

Gee, and I thought he died because he was shot in the head.
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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Sun 25 Dec 2016, 1:47 am

Lifton is nothing but a narcissistic fuckwit; and that's all he'll ever be.
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Post by Greg Martin on Mon 26 Dec 2016, 5:50 am

Is this serious?  Not satire??? I think we are on an episode of punked

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Post by Paul Francisco Paso on Mon 26 Dec 2016, 7:37 am

Lifton appeals to the morbid. That's his audience. I don't know much about him except he is up himself.


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Post by Sharon Horizons on Mon 26 Dec 2016, 1:21 pm

This sounds familiar.
Wasn't there an MLK-was-killed-in-the-hospital theory floating around this year?
Somewhere...

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Post by Terry W. Martin on Wed 28 Dec 2016, 12:49 am

Sharon Horizons wrote:This sounds familiar.
Wasn't there an MLK-was-killed-in-the-hospital theory floating around this year?
Somewhere...

I recall reading something of the sort by Ashton Grey over at Erectile Dysforum last year. His premise started from the "no bullet through the tie" and implied the doctors at Parkland did it... and the same doctors were also there when LHO came in.

I haven't come across any other... well, not recently anyway.
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Post by Vinny on Mon 02 Jan 2017, 1:30 am

Sharon Horizons wrote:This sounds familiar.
Wasn't there an MLK-was-killed-in-the-hospital theory floating around this year?
Somewhere...

 It is in the book "Orders To Kill" by William Pepper which was released a few months back.



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Post by Vinny on Mon 02 Jan 2017, 1:32 am

Lifton is furious with Martin Hay.

https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?16207-Martin-Hay-on-A-Coup-in-Camelot&s=20918809a02366de621c1c0f7ffd599a

Martin Hay's review of A Coup in Camelot is akin to fake news. He repeatedly makes absurd arguments and misrepresents the record. For years--this London-based Kennedy buff (who I am told is a postman)--cannot abide the thesis put forward in Best Evidence.

The case for body alteration was laid out--chapter and verse--in Best Evidence, which was published (by Macmillan) in January 1981, and was a NY Times best seller and a Book of the Month Selection; and was then republished by three more publishers (Dell, Carrol and Graf (trade paper); and New American Library).

Some of the nonsense promoted in his review:

--that the major head wound reported in the Bethesda autopsy is really the same wound as was present in Dallas, but its true extent wasn't seen in Dallas because "Jackie closed the wound" by pushing down a flap of scalp" etc. --this nonsense promoted by Gary Aguilar. I call this the "Dutch door" version of the head wounds. Just "close the flap" and it isn't there. For those who are interested in details, Dr. Perry described the flap that he observed --in detail--to writer Jimmy Breslin and that flap was at the back of the head. This account was published within two days (in the St Louis Post Dispatch) and then reprinted, word for word, in a December 1963 issue of the Saturday evening post.

--That doctor Humes really did have to do work with a saw to remove the brain; ignoring what Dr. Humes testified to the Warren Commission: "We had to do virtually no work with a saw. . " etc.

--that there was no pre-autopsy because, well, because Martin hay says so(!). Yes, its practically that bad. Go read Chapter 18 of Best Evidence, where the facts are laid out, chapter and verse, including the non-negotiable fact--not "fact"--that the scalp was "flapped" before the official autopsy began. There were four symmetric scalp tears laid out on the first two pages of the autopsy report. It is all spelled out in B.E. (And it is all ignored by Hay).

--that Navy Commander Stringer said that the autopsy photos he took are the ones in evidence. FALSE. I interviewed Stringer in Aug/September 1972, when I accompanied Wecht to the archives, and what he said is quoted, at length, in Chapter 20 of Best Evidence. The hole in Kennedy's head was located at the back of the head, exactly where your head touches the floor of a bathtub, when you are lying on your back. I questioned Stringer carefully, and he used proper anatomical language. The hole was located in the occipital-parietal area--but that's where the autopsy photographs show no hole at all. (And that was exactly what Godfrey McHugh told me when I interviewed him in November 1967). Martin Hay: liar, liar, pants on fire. Do you really think you're going to fool "all of the people all of the time," simply because you write falsehoods in your review? (And what about you, DiEugenio: did it ever occur to you that its irresponsible to publish such garbage?)

--that the official report of the casket team is wrong, in stating that the body was brought in at 8 pm (this is the second entry of the Dallas casket, this time, with the body); and why is it wrong? Simply because. . well, simply because Martin Hay says so (!). Again, more fake news.

--That Dennis David's account of the arrival of the body in a shipping casket, in a black hearse, is incorrect because--well, again, because FNC ("Fake News Correspondant") Martin Hay says so. Apparently, Hay conveniently omits the powerful corroboration coming from witness Donald Rebentisch, of Grand Rapids Michigan, and who came forward the week B.E. was published--and was given a full two-page spread in TIME magazine. This was a wire-service account, and I then interviewed Rebentisch on camera, His account was included as an "Epilogue to the 1982 Edition" (and in all subsequent editions). So not only did Dennis David witness this (6:35 pm, approx) arrival; so did Rebentisch. Dennis David was on the 2nd floor, and saw the naval ambulance arrive 20 minutes later; Rebentisch was in the lobby, and saw Jackie ready to board the elevator. There's no question about the sequence, unless you live in a bubble, like Martin Hay, and write for DiEugenio, who will publish such junk on his website.

--the evidence of spinal cord severence, found at autopsy. See chapter 18 of Best Evidence.

There's so many other points I could make, but there's no time. What Sylvia Meagher once said of the Warren Commission applies to Martin Hay: "The use of the English language in the service of obfuscation and guile."

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P.S. : And oh yes. .one other matter. Did I mention that Martin Hay never once mentions the Sibert and O'Neill FBI report, which states that when the doctors first saw the body ,that it was "apparent" that there had been "surgery of the head area, namely, in the top of the skull." The FBI records--which I obtained under FOIA--make clear that the FBI agents wrote that because they were recording "oral statements" made by the autopsy doctors. (See Chapter 12 of B.E., for detailed discussion). Years later (circa 1990), I interviewed James Sibert (by phone): In a friendly conversation that lasted for well over an hour, Sibert told me "I could swear on a stack of bibles that the doctors said there was surgery."

And not to mention any of this in your so-called "review"?

Shame on you, Martin Hay. (And you too, DiEugenio. . . for publishing such garbage, and re-circulating the nonsense of Gary Aguilar, who is spreading the medico-legal absurdity that the observations of the Parkland doctors can be dismissed because "Jackie closed the flap."

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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Mon 02 Jan 2017, 1:39 am

Lifton has had a problem with Martin for many years. I remember him taking a swipe at Martin because he worked as a mail man. He (Lifton) is a very condescending snob who can go and fuck himself.
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Post by Vinny on Mon 02 Jan 2017, 1:45 am

You are right.He mentions the post man bit in this rant also.

For years--this London-based Kennedy buff (who I am told is a postman)--cannot abide the thesis put forward in Best Evidence.

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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Mon 02 Jan 2017, 1:53 am

Vinny wrote:You are right.He mentions the post man bit in this rant also.

For years--this London-based Kennedy buff (who I am told is a postman)--cannot abide the thesis put forward in Best Evidence.

He proves (once again) what I said above. Fuck the snob!
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Post by Paul Francisco Paso on Mon 02 Jan 2017, 4:21 am

Vinny wrote:You are right.He mentions the post man bit in this rant also.

For years--this London-based Kennedy buff (who I am told is a postman)--cannot abide the thesis put forward in Best Evidence.
Best Evidence that Lifton is an up himself snobbish prick.
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Post by Terry W. Martin on Mon 02 Jan 2017, 5:14 am

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Sharon Horizons wrote:This sounds familiar.
Wasn't there an MLK-was-killed-in-the-hospital theory floating around this year?
Somewhere...

I recall reading something of the sort by Ashton Grey over at Erectile Dysforum last year. His premise started from the "no bullet through the tie" and implied the doctors at Parkland did it... and the same doctors were also there when LHO came in.

I haven't come across any other... well, not recently anyway.

Sorry, Sharon. It would help if I understood the posting before making a comment. I was thinking of JFK killed in hospital rather than MLK killed in hospital.

Regardless, Lifton is a mess when it comes to responding to negative criticism. Having once been a mail carrier (for 15 years) I do not see that as a problem. I'm sure Lifton knows this but has to come up with something for an ad hominem attack, no matter how lame.

Being a mailman is far superior to a thin-skinned author who cannot viably support his work without resorting to redirecting the attack onto the reviewer.

Grow up, Lifton.
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Post by Sharon Horizons on Wed 04 Jan 2017, 10:22 am

Thanks Terry, Vinny. That knocked it loose. Back in September someone sent me a link to the Pepper theory, posted on Truth And Shadows.

Lifton is a mess when it comes to responding to negative criticism. 
Perfectly stated. He does himself such a disservice. 

He's definitely not been to my neighborhood. On the strength of a rumor, I believed it was my mail carrier's last day before retirement. I ran up the block to catch her before she drove off. I hugged her and offered my profuse thanks.
She told me she had 10 more years to go, and that people had been hugging her all day. Then she hugged ME when she saw how mortified I was.
The moral of the story...love your postman.

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