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Post by Mick Purdy on Mon 20 Mar 2017, 1:51 pm

On the 20th November Warren Caster brought 2 rifles into the TSBD at around lunchtime. He has stated he had brought them into the building to show them to Roy Truly. He has also stated that the two rifles spent the rest of the day in his office until he took them home at the end of his working day.



Caster WC testimony:








Mr. BALL. Are you with some company? 
Mr. CASTER. Yes; I am assistant manager for Southwestern Publishing Co. with offices at 411 Elm Street. 
Mr. BALL. You have offices in the Texas School Book Depository Building? 
Mr. CASTER. Yes. 
Mr. BALL. You rent those offices from the Texas School Book Depository? 
Mr. CASTER. The offices are furnished in connection with our work with the Depository. 
Mr. BALL. Will you tell me something about yourself, where you were born and where you were raised and educated? 
Mr. CASTER. Yes; I was born in New Mexico, educated in New Mexico, received my college degrees at New Mexico Highlands University at Las Vegas, N. Mex. I taught school in New Mexico from 1939 until I started to work with Southwestern Publishing Co. in 1952. There was a period of about 2 years that I spent in the U.S. Navy. 
Mr. BALL. And have you had your offices since 1952 in the Texas School Book Depository Building? 
Mr. CASTER. The offices have been in the Texas School Book Depository Building, but not in this particular building here. We have occupied three places since I have been with the Southwestern Publishing Co. 
Mr. BALL. Your office is on which floor? 
Mr. CASTER. Second floor. 
Mr. BALL. Did you ever bring any guns into the School Book Depository Building? 
Mr. CASTER. Yes; I did. 
Mr. BALL. When? 
Mr. CASTER. I believe it was on Wednesday, November 20, during the noon hour. 
Mr. BALL. Whose guns were they? 
Mr. CASTER. They were my guns. 
Mr. BALL. And what kind of guns were they? 
Mr. CASTER. One gun was a Remington, single-shot, .22 rifle, and the other was a .30-06 sporterized Mauser. 
Mr. BALL. Who owned them? 
Mr. CASTER. I had just purchased them during the noon hour that day. 
Mr. BALL. Well, tell us about it---what were the circumstances of the purchase? 
Mr. CASTER. Well, I left the Depository during the noon hour and had lunch and, while out for the lunch hour, I stopped by Sanger-Harris sporting goods department to look for a rifle for my son's birthday---I beg your pardon, Christmas present--son's Christmas present, and while I was there I purchased the single-shot .22--single shot--and at the same time was looking at some deer rifles. I had, oh, for several years been thinking about buying a deer rifle and they happened to have one that I liked and I purchased the .30-06 while I was there. 
Mr. BALL. And did they box them up? 
Mr. CASTER. They were in cartons; yes. 
Mr. BALL. And then you went back to work, I guess? 
Mr. CASTER. Yes; I picked both rifles up in cartons just like they were, this was during the noon hour, and as I entered the Texas School Book Depository Building on my way up to the buying office, I stopped by Mr. Truly's office, and while I was there we examined the two rifles that I had purchased. 
Mr. BALL. Did you take them out of the carton? 
Mr. CASTER. Yes; I did. 
Mr. BALL. Who was there besides you and Mr. Truly?





















Mr. CASTER. Well, I'm not really sure who was there. I think you were there, Bill, and Mr. Shelley was there---and Mr. Roy Truly. The only people that I know about, in any event, were there; there were workers there at the time, but I'm not quite sure how many. I couldn't even tell you their names. I don't know the Texas School Book Depository workers there in the shipping department.








Caster according to his 1964 WC testimony seemed not to know who the employees were who worked in the shipping area of the TSBD.




By 1995 however that had changed significantly:




Interview with Rick Caster (No relation) published 1995
[url=http://dealeyplazauk.org.uk/pdfArticles/Meeting Warren Caster.pdf]http://dealeyplazauk.org.uk/pdfArticles/Meeting%20Warren%20Caster.pdf[/url]


It soon became apparent that a suspect had been arrested and
He was named as Lee Harvey Oswald. Warren knew him and he told
me: “I used to see him frequently, eating his lunch in the
lunchroom, but he was a weird sort of guy and he kept himself to
himself.” (The second floor lunchroom was close to Warren’s office.)
The last time Warren could recall having seen Oswald was two
days before when Oswald had been one of that small group of
TSBD employees who were examining Warren’s two newly purchased rifles before returning to work after their lunch break.








And this:








One important question which I almost forgot to ask Warren was
who he thought had killed the President that day. Warren replied
in a very positive tone: “To sum it all up, I think Lee Harvey
Oswald alone killed President Kennedy. Why? I just can’t
speculate except to say that he really was some kind of nut!”












 
 


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Post by Mick Purdy on Wed 22 Mar 2017, 10:03 am

Fascinating to think that Caster brings two rifles in cases into the TSBD Wednesday lunchtime, two days prior to the assination of the President of the United States, shows them off at the counter, then takes them to his office for the rest of the day. Hardly seems to have raised an eyebrow! Indeed he claims he brought them in to show Roy Truly. Truly, the same man whom had set the hounds after Oswald at around 12.45pm Friday.

Now I wonder if there were more than two rifles as claimed inside those cases. I wonder if Roy Truly took possession of any of those rifles. I wonder if any sleight of hand had taken place in that lunch hour.

I wonder if like a magicians show that two were in reality three. What say like a rabbit out of a hat, Truly takes possession of a third rifle.

What say one of those cases had a false bottom, what say - that rabbit out of that hat.
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Post by Stan Dane on Fri 24 Mar 2017, 6:26 pm

Why would Caster think Oswald was some "kind of nut"? He only worked there a few weeks and pretty much kept to himself. By all accounts he was a good worker, he was industrious, and I don't recall him causing any problems.

And bringing his guns to the TSBD just two days before. Whew boy. 

It may very well be an innocent coincidence. But I mistrust coincidences.
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Post by Terry W. Martin on Fri 24 Mar 2017, 11:39 pm

Why worry about creating a "brown sack" to carry the rifle in (and look suspicious) when you can bring it in in plain sight in a rifle case with other rifles?

And I too distrust coincidences.
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Post by greg parker on Fri 24 Mar 2017, 11:41 pm

Stan Dane wrote:Why would Caster think Oswald was some "kind of nut"? He only worked there a few weeks and pretty much kept to himself. By all accounts he was a good worker, he was industrious, and I don't recall him causing any problems.

And bringing his guns to the TSBD just two days before. Whew boy. 

It may very well be an innocent coincidence. But I mistrust coincidences.
It may be a bigger coincidence than you think. When the commission got wind of this incident (probably from the interrogation reports because Oswald had mentioned it), they recalled Truly for a second stint.
 
Here is part of that session:

Mr. BALL. Now, before inquiring into the circumstances of seeing two guns that belonged to Mr. Warren Caster on November 20, 1963, I'll ask you whether or not you ever at anytime before that time or after that time saw guns in the Texas School Book Depository Building? 
Mr. TRULY. Never before. 
Mr. BALL. Never before, and between that date Wednesday, November 20, and Friday, November 22, did you ever see any guns in the Texas School Book Depository Building? 
Mr. TRULY. I did see guns in there after the assassination. 
Mr. BALL. That is, you saw guns of police officers? 
Mr. TRULY. Of the police officers. 
Mr. BALL. Carried by police officers? 
Mr. TRULY. Yes; and I saw a rifle being carried from the building.

Mr. BALL. In other words, a rifle was found on the sixth floor? 
Mr. TRULY. Yes. 

So... in all of the many many years Truly had worked for the company, he had never seen any guns in there 2 days before the assassination. And none after that (not counting police guns) until he saw the alleged assassination weapon being carried out.

It's worth noting also how Ball helpfully adds that the rifle he is referring to was from the 6th floor. To the rest of us, that's called leading the witness.

You also have the coincidence of another Caster (Barry or Berry) working with Bill Randle. T my knowledge no one has ever checked any familial relationship between the two.

Caster remembers things slightly differently to Truly:

Mr. CASTER. Well, I left the Depository during the noon hour and had lunch and, while out for the lunch hour, I stopped by Sanger-Harris sporting goods department to look for a rifle for my son's birthday---I beg your pardon, Christmas present--son's Christmas present, and while I was there I purchased the single-shot .22--single shot--and at the same time was looking at some deer rifles. I had, oh, for several years been thinking about buying a deer rifle and they happened to have one that I liked and I purchased the .30-06 while I was there. 
Mr. BALL. And did they box them up? 
Mr. CASTER. They were in cartons; yes. 
Mr. BALL. And then you went back to work, I guess? 
Mr. CASTER. Yes; I picked both rifles up in cartons just like they were, this was during the noon hour, and as I entered the Texas School Book Depository Building on my way up to the buying office, I stopped by Mr. Truly's office, and while I was there we examined the two rifles that I had purchased. 
Mr. BALL. Did you take them out of the carton? 
Mr. CASTER. Yes; I did. 

Mr. BALL. Who was there besides you and Mr. Truly?
Mr. CASTER. Well, I'm not really sure who was there. I think you were there, Bill, and Mr. Shelley was there---and Mr. Roy Truly. The only people that I know about, in any event, were there; there were workers there at the time, but I'm not quite sure how many. I couldn't even tell you their names. I don't know the Texas School Book Depository workers there in the shipping department 
Mr. BALL. In that office, though, Truly's office, how many were there? 
Mr. CASTER. We weren't in Mr. Truly's immediate office, we were just there over the counter. 
Mr. BALL. In the warehouse? 
Mr. CASTER. We were there in the hall--just right there over the counter in front of the warehouse; that's right. 
Mr. BALL. And did you take the guns out of the carton? 
Mr. CASTER. Yes; I did. They were removed from the carton. 
Mr. BALL. Did you handle them? 
Mr. CASTER. Yes; I did. 
Mr. BALL. Did anybody else handle the guns? 
Mr. CASTER. Mr. Truly handled them and I'm not sure whether Mr. Shelley had the guns in his hands or not; I'm not positive. 

So according to Caster, he took both out and Truly handled both.

According to Truly, only the deer rifle was taken out, and that was the only one Truly handled.

Mr. TRULY. It was during the lunch period or right at the end of the lunch period on November 20. Mr. Caster came in the door from the first floor and spoke to me and showed me two rifles that he had just purchased. I looked at these and picked up the larger one of the two and examined it and handed it back to Mr. Caster, with the remark that it was really a handsome rifle or words to that effect, at which time Mr. Caster explained to me that he had bought himself a rifle to go deer hunting with, and he hadn't had one and he had been intending to buy one for a long time, and that he had also bought a .22 rifle for his boy. 
Mr. BALL. Did you handle the .22 rifle? 
Mr. TRULY. Not that I recall. 
Mr. BALL. You did see it, though? 
Mr. TRULY. I did see it. 
Mr. BALL. Was it out of the carton? 
Mr. TRULY. The carton was open, I believe, and I saw it. I don't recall picking it up or taking it out of the carton, but I could see it lying in the bottom part of the carton. 
Mr. BALL. And you did take the large rifle out? 
Mr. TRULY. And raised it to my shoulder and go through the motion of it, but not cocking it---just looking at it. 

Mr. BALL. Who else was there besides you and Mr. Caster? 
Mr. TRULY. Well, the only person I can recall being there was Mr. Shelley. 
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On where Caster went, we may have a difference as well:

Mr. BALL. What happened to these two rifles, Mr. Truly, that Mr. Caster got during the noon hour? 
Mr. TRULY. They were placed back in the carton and Mr. Caster carried them out of the lobby door with him. That's the last I saw them. 
Mr. BALL. Did you ever see them again? 
Mr. TRULY. Never--never. 

Out of the lobby would take him outside wouldn't it?

Mr. BALL. What did you do with the guns after that? 
Mr. CASTER. I put them back in the carton and carried them up to my office. 

Mr. BALL. And what did you do with them after that? 
Mr. CASTER. I left at the end of the working day, oh, around 4 o'clock and took the guns in the cartons and carried them and put them in my car and carried them home. 


If Caster took them upstairs, it is natural to think he showed them to others on that floor. After all, it was the floor where he actually worked. But he wasn't asked, and neither the WC nor FBI were curious enough to question anyone from that floor about it.

Other things I find of some interest:

Caster had trouble remembering if he got the 22 for his son's (William) birthday or for Christmas. William graduated from the Coast Guard Academy in '63.

The rifles were in cartons (police more than once described the sack as looking like a rifle case)

Truly's office would be good place to hide a throw-down for a couple of days. When the coast was clear at lunch time with everyone outside or at windows, someone like Dougherty could easily take it upstairs. I suspect he did go up with Eddie Piper after eating lunch in the domino room.

Caster said in the interview with the English Caster that he often saw Oswald eating in the lunch room. The interviewer is the one making the leap that WC is talking about the second floor lunchroom. But just about everyone else said Oswald ate in the Domino room or left the building.  I doubt laborers were made welcome in the second floor lunchroom except to use the snack and drink machine. I furthermore doubt the workers would want to eat among the besuited office workers in any case.

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Post by Mick Purdy on Sat 25 Mar 2017, 9:38 am

There are probably a number of ways the throw down MC rifle could have gotten into the TSBD without being seen, but imo is is limited to most likely employees and managers who worked there.

If we were to speculate imo the person/s responsible could be narrowed down to only a few individuals.

Caster is top of my list, followed closely by Frazier and Jack Dougherty. But seeing Caster was a manager and a good friend of Truly's I believe he should be placed at the top of the list for that reason alone.

Caster had dubious ties to some right wing elemnts by all reports and he is the perfect foil imo to bring those rifles in to the building and make claim to a reasonable explanation for doing so.

I realise all of this is highly speculative but there would have been only so many ways the rifle could have possibly entered that building without being seen imo.

It makes sense to my mind at least, that if Caster had two rifle cases that its more than plausible that he carried a third rifle into that building hidden from view in a false bottom of one of the cases.

The claim he was showing them off to some of the others at the building at lunch hour is plausible, and believable.

Although I do question why he would want to show off the .22 rifle that he'd bought for his son.

And just thinking aloud, maybe the ploy to show them off was stroke of magic after all.

What better magic trick is there than objects hidden in plainsight.
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Post by Mick Purdy on Sat 25 Mar 2017, 9:45 am

And if no one else other than Caster and Truly sees the second rifle or handles it - is it not plausible, indeed possible that the .22 rifle was not a .22 rifle at all but an MC rifle waiting to be planted on the sixth floor by the likes of Dougherty.


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Post by greg parker on Sat 25 Mar 2017, 9:48 am

Mick, what is your source for Caster being involved with Right Wing elements?

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Post by Mick Purdy on Sat 25 Mar 2017, 10:00 am

Mr. SPECTER. Can you describe the rifle with any more particularity than you already have?

Mr. ROWLAND. No. In proportion to the scope it appeared to me to be a .30-odd size 6, a deer rifle with a fairly large or powerful scope.

Mr. SPECTER. When you say, .30-odd-6, exactly what did you mean by that?
Mr. ROWLAND. That is a rifle that is used quite frequently for deer hunting. It is an import.


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Mr. CASTER. Well, I left the Depository during the noon hour and had lunch and, while out for the lunch hour, I stopped by Sanger-Harris sporting goods department to look for a rifle for my son's birthday---I beg your pardon, Christmas present--son's Christmas present, and while I was there I purchased the single-shot .22--single shot--and at the same time was looking at some deer rifles. I had, oh, for several years been thinking about buying a deer rifle and they happened to have one that I liked and I purchased the .30-06 while I was there. 


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Post by Mick Purdy on Sat 25 Mar 2017, 10:07 am

greg parker wrote:Mick, what is your source for Caster being involved with Right Wing elements?
 Have read this somewhere mate, I'll try and dig it up. It was a tenuous link made in an article somewhere but claimed none the less.

It was to do with his visits with Dr. Vernon Payne out at the North Texas State University in Denton, which is where he was on the 22/11/63 according to his sworn testimony

On the day of the assassination, he was not at work at the Southwestern Publishing Company inside the Texas School Book Depository. He was at the North Texas State University in Denton, having lunch there with Dr. Vernon V. Payne.

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Post by Mick Purdy on Sat 25 Mar 2017, 10:56 am

A very good friend, Roger Williams, had telephoned
Warren on Thursday 21st November and asked if they could meet
in Warren’s office the following day to watch the presidential
motorcade as it passed. Warren explained that he had to be in
Denton that day (22nd) and so would miss the motorcade
himself. He also added that it would be useless to watch from his
office window on the second floor as the view to the street would
be obscured by trees. The ideal place to watch, Warren told
Williams, would be up on the sixth floor where the view was
better. Williams thanked Warren and said that he would go to the
Trade Mart to see the President there instead.




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Post by greg parker on Sat 25 Mar 2017, 11:17 am

Mick, he had high level involvement in 1 or 2 national business associations. I think it is safe to assume he was "anti-communist" given the era and his own background. The question is, how much did anti-communism rule what those business associations did? And how much (if any) support did they provide to more radical anti-communist elements? He was based at the Denton campus, which, if memory serves, was where student followers of Walker attended.

There may be something there, but what I've found is a bit thin, I think, in that being in business associations in the '60s is not much to hang someone on. If you remember what you read, I'd be very interested in seeing it because this rifle business with Truly has never seemed all that kosher.

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Mick Purdy wrote:A very good friend, Roger Williams, had telephoned
Warren on Thursday 21st November and asked if they could meet
in Warren’s office the following day to watch the presidential
motorcade as it passed. Warren explained that he had to be in
Denton that day (22nd) and so would miss the motorcade
himself. He also added that it would be useless to watch from his
office window on the second floor as the view to the street would
be obscured by trees. The ideal place to watch, Warren told
Williams, would be up on the sixth floor where the view was
better. Williams thanked Warren and said that he would go to the
Trade Mart to see the President there instead.




http://dealeyplazauk.org.uk/pdfArticles/Meeting%20Warren%20Caster.pdf
Yeah, I don't buy that either. If he'd have been there, he would have left for lunch and ignored the motorcade as some of the suits did, or he'd have gone outside to watch it as other suits did.

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Post by Mick Purdy on Sat 25 Mar 2017, 11:39 am

He was based at the Denton campus, which, if memory serves, was where student followers of Walker attended.


Greg,


I'm trying to hunt that down, as i said it was tenuous. But it had everything to do with one of the student movements based out there and Payne being there too. Maybe way off the mark.


I'll stop banging on about this but I just don't know why for the life of me how this event (Two rifles in at the TSBD two days prior to the assassination ) didn't warrant further investigation.


I took them up to my office: he said. 


I assure you I took them home: he said 


They were at my house on the 22nd November: he said.




I came back to the office on the Saturday morning 23rd November to collect some papers: he said.




Not much of a choice too in which testimony to believe regarding the two rifles in the building either - Caster or Truly. 


Caster wants us to believe there were numerous people "at the counter" looking at his newly purchased items, while Truly contradicts this with his version suggesting it was a much more private affair "in his office"


For me it has all the hall marks of deception written all over it.




Nothing to see here.


It's ironic too that Frazier and Randle were able to put a fictional bag along with a fictional rifle in Lee Oswalds hands that Friday morning without much more than, their word along with the complete absence of any corroboration from anybody else that day.
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Post by greg parker on Sat 25 Mar 2017, 12:22 pm

mick wrote:It's ironic too that Frazier and Randle were able to put a fictional bag along with a fictional rifle in Lee Oswalds hands that Friday morning without much more than, their word along with the complete absence of any corroboration from anybody else that day.
As you said mate... smoke and mirrors.

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Post by barto on Sat 25 Mar 2017, 5:06 pm

From Ian Griggs' book No Case To Answer

warren caster
The situation concerning Warren Caster is the complete opposite to that of the other people whose
actions I describe here. They each found themselves thrust into the limelight because an element of
chance moved them into the forefront of the action on the day of the assassination. Like Ed Hoffman
and James Tague, Warren Caster was away from his normal place of work when the gunfire erupted in
Dealey Plaza. In Caster’s case, however, his normal place of work was the Texas School Book
Depository and chance decreed that he would not be present when the bullets started to fly. (2)
In November 1963, Warren Caster was the District Manager of the Southwestern Publishing Co., a
book publishing company which rented premises within the Texas School Book Depository. Caster’s
office was situated on the second floor (called the first floor in the U.K.) of the building. It was Room
203 and it looked directly out on to Elm Street.
Warren Caster is the man who, on Wednesday 20th November, two days before the assassination,
purchased two rifles (a Remington and a Mauser) from Sanger’s department store during his lunch
break. The Remington singleshot .22 was to be a Christmas present for William, his elder son, and the
30-03 sporterized Mauser just took his eye and he bought it for himself. He brought them into the
TSBD where he encountered Bill Shelley, Roy Truly, Lee Harvey Oswald and others by chance.
When they asked him what was in the boxes, he showed them the rifles. After work that day, he took
the weapons to his home in the northern part of Dallas in his car.
Unfortunately, some researchers have completely misconstrued Caster’s actions here and have
intimated that he may have been part of the conspiracy to assassinate the President by introducing the
murder weapon into the depository. Having met the man and spent a considerable time in his
company, I am satisfied that thisisa classic example of people adding two and two and making a
thousand and six. The two rifles purchased by Warren Caster are still in the possession of the Caster
family, who now live in North Carolina.
Thursday 21stNovember was just a normal day at the office for Warren Caster but on Friday 22nd, he
had a pre-arranged and unavoidable business engagement. This kept him away from the book
depository all day. Instead of going to his office as usual, he drove up to North Texas State University
at Denton, 35 miles north of Dallas, to keep an appointment with Dr Vernon V. Payne. He was thus out
of town when the assassination took place. Caster learnt of the President’s death when he and Dr
Payne heard the news from some students at the university. It was an added shock to learn later that
the site of the tragedy had been Dealey Plaza. Warren Caster immediately left Denton, battled his way
through the traffic jams and eventually reached home at 3338 Merrell Road, around two miles
northwest of Love Field.
Caster testified before the Warren Commission in Dallas on 14th May 1964. His testimony, taken by
Assistant Counsel Joseph A. Ball, occupies just a page and a half in the 26 Volumes. It was concerned
solely with his purchase of the two rifles and the fact that he had brought them into the TSBD on that
Wednesday afternoon. (3)
Perhaps the most significant aspect of Warren Caster’s connection with the events of the day has been
given minimal exposure; indeed it is probably completely unknown to most researchers. A good
friend of Warren Caster, a gentleman named Roger Williams, had telephoned him on Thursday 21st
and had asked if they could meet in Caster’s office the following day to watch the presidential
motorcade. Caster explained that he had to be in Denton that day (22nd) and would miss the
motorcade himself.
He added that it would be pointless to try to watch from his second floor office as the view would be
obstructed by trees. The ideal place to watch, Caster told Williams, would be up on the sixth floor
where the view was far better. Williams thanked Caster and said that he would go along to the Trade
Mart to see the President there instead. (4)
Now just suppose that Warren Caster had not had that meeting in Denton scheduled for the 22nd ... !
Three further important but little-known facts emerged from the two-day interview which fellow
British researcher Rick Caster and myself conducted with Warren in June 1995.
Firstly, the Special Service Bureau of the Dallas PD carried out an intense search of the entire second
floor of the book depository. Was this because they had heard about the two rifles which Warren had
brought into the building on the 20th?
Secondly, Warren, his wife Ruthanna and younger son David, returned to the depository the day after
the assassination and were surprised to find that they had no trouble entering the building. He recalled
that it was rather quiet and as far as he could remember, the sixth floor was not sealed off. For a
location which only 24 hours earlier had been one of the most important crime scenes in the history of
America, I find this incredible. I also find it odd that as far as I am aware, no researcher has
discussed this in print.
Thirdly, as far as Warren Caster could ascertain, neither the Warren Commission nor anybody else
ever bothered to confirm his alibi with Dr Payne or anybody else at the university.

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Post by Stan Dane on Sat 25 Mar 2017, 5:43 pm

Speaking of guns, from Walt Brown's Chronology (emphasis in original):

November 22, 1963, 2: 13 p.m., CST— NBC Television, Dallas, provides a local update on events. Tom Whelan: "The weapon which was used to kill the President, and which wounded Governor Connally, has been found in the Texas School Book Depository* on the sixth floor— a British .303 rifle with a telescopic sight. Three empty cartridge cases were found beside the weapon. It appeared that whoever had occupied the sniper's nest had been here for some time." (National Broadcasting Company, Seventy Hours and Thirty Minutes, p.8.)
 
Points of emphasis: Somehow, the Mauser, found fifty minutes earlier, has morphed into a quality English "Enfield" rifle— the exact kind of weapon owned by Buell Wesley Frazier, in point of fact. And the cartridges were found beside the British Enfield 303—not "breaking news" but fifty minutes after the gun was found, and one hour and one minute after the shells were found by the window—and a good distance (approximately 100 feet) from the gun. The "whoever had occupied the sniper's nest had been here for some time" is nothing more than infantile guesswork based on the chicken bones and not based on as much as one question to one employee, which would have provided an answer that flooring was being replaced on that floor and that there was a crew there until 11: 55 a.m.—preventing 'the sniper' from being there any particularly long length of time.
 
I don't know about you, but this .303 Enfield talk makes my Spidey sense tingle.
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Post by greg parker on Sat 25 Mar 2017, 8:05 pm

ian griggs wrote:Firstly, the Special Service Bureau of the Dallas PD carried out an intense search of the entire second
floor of the book depository. Was this because they had heard about the two rifles which Warren had
brought into the building on the 20th?
No. That was not the reason the second floor was searched. The second floor was searched because someone claimed they'd seen someone with a rifle on that floor. Impossible to shoot someone from that floor though. Windows were screwed down because of aircon.

The story of Caster and his rifles came to light through Oswald's interrogations.

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Post by Paul Francisco Paso on Sat 25 Mar 2017, 9:24 pm

3 rifles = 3 patsies.
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Re: Caster and the two rifles.

Post by Ed. Ledoux on Sun 26 Mar 2017, 4:53 pm

Something about west windows not being screwed down.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/19557-southwest-window-of-school-book-depository/

[size=12]The film shows Deputy Sheriff Harry Weatherford climbing into a TSBD window on the west side of the building several minutes after the assassination. The film was shot by WFAA photographer Mal Couch and Weatherford explained his actions in a report the next day: [/size]http://mcadams.posc....ny/weatherf.htm



[size=13]And under closer examination Harry is climbing in a rear stairwell window!

Cheers, Ed



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Post by Mick Purdy on Sun 26 Mar 2017, 9:31 pm

Without being disrespectful to past or present day researchers,but I don't give a damn whether researchers have met people in the past and think that they were nice people at the time. It doesn't mean JS. It certainly doesn't mean they could not have been up to no good way back. Just sayin
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Post by greg parker on Sun 26 Mar 2017, 9:35 pm

Mick Purdy wrote:Without being disrespectful to past or present day researchers,but I don't give a damn whether researchers have met people in the past and think that they were nice people at the time. It doesn't mean JS. It certainly doesn't mean they could not have been up to no good way back. Just sayin
Yep. Something I've seen more than once.

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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Sun 26 Mar 2017, 11:42 pm

Mick Purdy wrote:Without being disrespectful to past or present day researchers,but I don't give a damn whether researchers have met people in the past and think that they were nice people at the time. It doesn't mean JS. It certainly doesn't mean they could not have been up to no good way back. Just sayin

Well said. From my own experience, many people I've met in my life who seemed nice turned out to be asswipes.
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