Anatomy of Lee Harvey Oswald's Interrogations

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http://www.prayer-man.com/anatomy-of-lee-harvey-oswalds-interrogations/

This went much deeper than originally scoped. It is just over 300 pages.
My second paper of 4 on 'Prayer Man More Than A Fuzzy Picture'.

In this I talk about the happenings inside the D.P.D. while Lee Oswald was incarcerated. It is splitt in half. First the settings and the law enforcement officers involved. And then the legal side of it which proved to be most enlightening. 

I hope you enjoy reading it as much as I had in making it.

Best and ROKC on!

BK

On behalf of the group and i, I hope we passed the audition..thanks Greg, talking of Monty Python..Sir Brian..the pink sandalled Knight of Sanibel Island
"None can pass this doorway without admitting i scientifically prove PM was a plump arsed purse brandishing wig wearing 300lb woman whod tried t reach out t Lee as a fellow social pariah"
( Enter Sir Bart of Kamp and Sir Greg of Oz, the feared firebreathing minion eating Troll King)
CHOP! Sir Bart cuts off the pink sandalled Knight's arm
" Prayermans not a 300lb woman you blind twat"
Sir Brian-" Just a flesh wound!! You haven't answered my point..what about the linguistic forensics"
SWIPE! Sir Greg the fearsome Troll King slices off brave Sir Brian's newly shaved pink sandalled leg
" That's fucking forensic linguistics you ignorant drongo.."
Sir Brian now hopping about like a constipated transvestite Grace Slick impersonator on stilts
" You still haven't answered my point, until you go t the Ed forum and confront Sir Sandy the Scrotumless about his identification of Gloria Calvery"
( Out looking for a blonde haired KGB interpreter t " question" about Russian collusion and where he can get a "cheese pizza" , Evil Evil Sir Thomas the Red Knight comes riding by on his buck toothed mangy donkey Larry the Trotter " For sooth Sir Brian I helped identify her too, it was I Evil Evil Sir Thomas who noticed she put her gerunds before her possessives..and what gerunds they were!!")
HACK!! Sir Bart leaves poor Sir Brian armless
"How am i going t roll my Sanibel gold and watch my Grace Slick DVDs after mommie goes t bed now!!,"
"Surrender witless Sir Brian..Prayerman was never a 300lb woman!!"
"Never!! You punk trolls!! Why it is but a mere scratch!! Its only because Sir James the Bastard has banned me from entering the Ed forum tournament..if not my superior skills would have destroyed you goofy trolls"
THUD!! Sir Greg the fearsome Troll King hacks off Brians other leg
CHOP!! Sir Bart decapitates him, leaving his torso rolling about the doorway
"So my evidence has forced you t admit defeat!!" Sir Brian's freshly severed head cries as Sir Bart and Sir Greg head off towards the Triple Overpass..
"Come back!! Come back!! Answer my metadata..any smart detective will recognise Sarah's chubby forearm!!"
As Sir Bart and Sir Greg disappear into the distance there's a rustling from the shubbery up on the Grassy Knoll..its Evil Evil Sir Thomas
" Brave Sir Brian" he grins while unbuckling his sword belt" i salute your victory!! Let us discuss Gloria Calvery and Stella Mae Jacobs.deep into the night..i had some photos in my saddlebag but that stupid fucking donkey of mine ate them"

Here is the latest Volume on Oswald's Interrogations.
331 pages.
http://www.prayer-man.com/anatomy-of-lee-harvey-oswalds-interrogations-vol-ii/

Alex you have a vivid imagination. 

Out standing, (wink wink)
Bart has a work of art here, and something for future historians to be made aware of.
ROKC is the place,
Now is the time.
Cheers, Ed

Ed. Ledoux wrote:Out standing,  (wink wink)
Bart has a work of art here, and something for future historians to be made aware of.
ROKC is the place,
Now is the time.
Cheers, Ed

Nice pun!

Great sentiment!

Thank you Ed and Greg, I am gad I am done with it for now. Been a long slug....

Congratulations Bart.

Thank you Vinny.

Yes Bart, congratulations on your achievement in assembling this work. Very impressive indeed.

Thank you Jake
Already thinking about No.3

Brian tried reading it....got lost...called you a liar. Some things never change...

Congrats Bart, Sterling job mate. #3 - glutton for punishment hey!

by steely dan

Brian tried reading it....got lost...called you a liar. 

The braille version is available for him, or Ralph Yates, on Amazon

Thank you Mick, and Steeley and Ed what can I possibly add to that

Oh Bart...thank you so much for this. Worth its weight in gold along with the posts here lol  .

Thanks a bunch BC_II
Appreciate the feedback

This is a pretty cool article from the Dallas Observer.
https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/declassified-jfk-documents-show-show-feud-between-fbi-and-dallas-police-10015830

Curry made it clear while he was Chief the FBI did not invite their personnel for training....
pretty much sums it up if you dont buy the LN story hook line and sinker your sunk.

Thx Bart.
Cheers
Ed

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Of course these are covered in the paper 

I would still add the word "Palmprint" to the Fingerprint bullet point for clarity.


Again a bullet point on amount of time interrogations consisted of is worthy of a bullet point itself for context. 12 hours in a couple days.

Bullet point about Marina & Marguerite is too vague.
The Commission uses the timing of their visit and the following call by Lee to Abt as a correlation.
This makes it seem or possibly implys he got the name or number from them, etc.
"Oswald's wife and mother visited him in the fourth floor visiting area. At 1:40 p.m. he attempted to call an attorney in New York." WC Report 


Bullet point about lack of recording equipment sets the tone of how the interrogations were "recorded"
and the importance of the Hosty notes, etc.

Please consider all these as worthy of bullet points or additions.


Cheers, Ed

They, WC etc, make it sound like Lee never heard of Abt before Sat.
Shouldn't the correspondence of LHO to Arnold Johnson be a bullet point as another point of context?
Can 'we' or someone post the letters, thx.

I find this a tad bit fishy.

I asked Bart, if Lee wrote to and received back communications from Abt or his firm, then wouldn't the letters contain Abt's address, firm name and a ...telephone number?
Where would he obtain the address to write Abt in the first place, and didn't that source include a telephone number.... Did Lee call Abts firm to get Abts info to write the letters??? Anyone know? Addy book of Lee's contain any clues?
If the letters were at Ruth's in Lee's belongings, then the Oswald's were in possession of the number at least to Abt's firm on Friday.
Marina could have gotten it for Lee from the suitcase or Sea Bag,,, (take your pick,) on Friday... albeit in a perfect world.

Marina had instructions for Walker shooting... (yeah right.)
But Marina is clueless without instructions for JFK.
Haha sure.
Hence the dresser or wardrobe money stash, becomes Lee leaving all his money, and the wedding band bs stories.
These are needed as there is no such plan or reason for a plan that day or ever.
Soon as Lee is arrested why doesnt Marina follow the only plan she supposedly had, the Walker (note) Plan.
Because even that was concocted.
She would have called or done as Lee instructed and Lee would already have these numbers for her, imo.

do I make my gist clear enough to get?
Ed

in a perfect world



From Bart, thx!

From Hasan's essay, http://jfkthelonegunmanmyth.blogspot.com/2016/05/who-was-behind-assassination-part-2.html?m=1

"Although Abt didn’t deny that he was involved with the ACLU when he testified, in his book “Advocate and Activist: Memoirs of an American Communist Lawyer,” Abt makes no mention of being an attorney for the ACLU. In fact, as Abt writes on page 19 of his book, he had joined the Chicago Civil Liberties Union (see here). As I mentioned above, one of the co-founders of the ACLU was Elizabeth Gurley Flynn; who served as the chairwoman of the National Committee of the CP USA from January, 1961, to September, 1964. When Arnold Samuel Johnson testified before the Warren Commission, he was asked who Elizabeth Gurley Flynn was. At this point, Abt interjected with the following; “Mr. Rankin, I have advised Mr. Johnson respectfully to decline to give any further information on this subject” (WC Volume X, page 100). One has to wonder why Abt advised Johnson to decline to give further information on Flynn. In my opinion, it was most likely because Johnson and Flynn were both associated with the ACLU; and because of rumours that Abt himself was associated with the ACLU.

and

Shortly following the assassination, former Army General Edwin A. Walker was interviewed by a German Newspaper called the “National Zeitung.” During the interview, Walker stated the following; “We have been talking about this Marxist assassin… this Oswald… Lee Oswald… I have just learned that John Abt from New York has offered to defend him in Court” (WCD 1543, page 12). Walker also remarked that “Mr. Abt is an American Jew who defends all big Communist cases” (ibid). As researcher Ed LeDoux kindly pointed out to me, in his aforementioned book, Abt wrote that he had a “German Jewish Childhood” (see here). So although Walker wasn’t lying when he referred to Abt as a Jew, his claim that Abt “offered” to defend Oswald in court was a lie; because Abt never made such an offer."

One or two degrees of separation:

Abt, the client Mr Johnson, and Oswald
All persons of interest in Johnson's case
Lee writes letters to Johnson, why no mention of the case.

Letter from Lee H. Oswald, dated 8/13/63 to Arnold Johnson *
https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-att-us&ei=0yJqXZa8Ksy90PEPrIO04Ac&q=Arnold+Samuel+Johnson+letter+oswald&oq=Arnold+Samuel+Johnson+letter+oswald&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.3...4182.11412..12118...0.0..0.197.2371.0j14......0....1.........33i299j33i160.5F-qxFNzIys#imgrc=KsdBWpdPFqDrcM:

Cheers
Ed

I refer to the testimonies of Arnold Samuel Johnson and his Attorney John J Abt.
RANKIN - You have told us all that you know about it? 
Mr. ABT - Yes. I may say that I have had. no prior contact with Oswald, knew nothing about him, did not know the name, and this request came as something entirely new and surprising to me when it came. 
Mr. RANKIN - None of your clients had ever communicated to you about him prior to that time you heard about it over the radio? 
Mr. ABT - No; I had no recollection of even having heard the name, his name, before that time. 



Document marked Johnson Exhibit No. 7.) 
Mr. RANKIN. I hand you Exhibit 7, which is a letter from Lee Harvey Oswald, with the envelope. Do you recall having received and turning that over to the FBI? 
Mr. JOHNSON. Yes; I do. 
Mr. RANKIN. At the time you referred to? 
Mr. JOHNSON. Yes; I do. 
Mr. RANKIN. Do you know whether you received it near the date that shows on the envelope? 
Mr. JOHNSON. I know when I received it 

103

Mr. RANKIN. Oh, you do recall? 
Mr. JOHNSON. And it was not near the date. 
Mr. RANKIN. I see. When was it? 
Mr. JOHNSON. The envelope has a postmark of the 1st of November. I received it on the 29th of November. That is the day after Thanksgiving. 
Mr. RANKIN. You were probably surprised to receive---- 
Mr. JOHNSON. I was. This was after the assassination date by a week. 
Mr. RANKIN. Did you answer that letter? 
Mr. JOHNSON. No. 
Mr. RANKIN. You did not? 
Mr. JOHNSON. No. 
Mr. RANKIN. You remember receiving it personally rather than someone in your office at that time? 
Mr. JOHNSON. It was brought in by the mail carrier in the normal--in the afternoon, and then was delivered to me within the office, yes. 
Mr. RANKIN. Will you place your initials under mine? 
(Witness complies.) 
Mr. RANKIN. Do you know any reason for the delay in the letter? 
Mr. JOHNSON. I really do not. That's an unusual delay. I could readily see a delay occurring after the 22d, but to have a delay from the 1st to that date seems to me to be beyond all normal procedure. Even when mails are held and checked during a thing like that, they wouldn't stand so long. I cannot understand. 
Mr. RANKIN. Did you make any examination at the time to determine whether Exhibit 7 had been opened by anyone before you received it? 
Mr. JOHNSON. No; except that the envelope has the unusual line on the back which indicates that there was possibly an opening and return. But that could also be the way it was folded or something like that. But you can see the line here [indicating]. 
Mr. RANKIN. Will you mark that---- 
Mr. JOHNSON. You see that. It looks that to me, anyway, as if this was the line where it had been opened and then put back. Then if you look at the envelope itself, as an airmail envelope, normally this part would be turned down, and instead it's open like this. Now, it's true that, folded that way, it fits in only when it is this way, but then this line should not have been here. There is something odd about the whole letter as far as the delivery itself is concerned. 
Mr. RANKIN. Would you make a pen line on the place on the back that you find that unusual marking, please. 

Did all Lee's letters "get corrected" or shit canned
Did Lee call Freeman and Unger firm for an address to write Abt?
Did he write Abt on or about Nov 1st, perhaps concerning his discharge.

What more could possibly show up in files.
Abt died in 91
You'd think some more skeletons would of fallen out by now tho... Then again look how long we waited for Bart to find the P.Parade note.

Keep hope alive!
Ed

Mr. RANKIN. Did the fact that he was a subscriber come to your attention at some time, through hearsay or otherwise? 
Mr. JOHNSON. Through hearsay only. 
Mr. RANKIN. Was that from him or someone else? 
Mr. JOHNSON. From him in one of the letters. 
Mr. RANKIN. Did you supply some correspondence that you had with Lee Harvey Oswald to someone in connection with the consideration of the assassination of President Kennedy? 
Mr. JOHNSON. Yes; I supplied all of it. 
Mr. RANKIN. About when was that that you did supply that information? 
Mr. JOHNSON. In the first week of December. 
Mr. RANKIN. What year? 
Mr. JOHNSON. 1963. 
Mr. RANKIN. How did you happen to supply that information? 
Mr. JOHNSON. Well, I supplied it in the office of John Abt to the representative of the FBI at the time, in the presence of my attorney, John Abt, and it was supplied to the FBI agent who came, and I assume was conducting the investigation on behalf of the Commission at the time. 

The available correspondence
And all pretty much available to the attorney for them, Abt.
GussHall, CP, Worker, the various persons, Johnson VT Lee, etc.
All sharing, especially legal representation...



Cheers, Ed