Skunk Smells - Math Sucks

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3 + 3 = 6

6 blueberries rubbed on an old cloth

Cut the cloth in half and mail the two separate pieces in separate envelopes to the Director General of the BBC

Put half a blueberry in a jar of sand

Put the jar on a tube at Chancery Lane station

The tube travels 13.01 + 17.2 x 360 feet but the driver stops for a waffle at Bond Street

James Bond 007 - 006 = 001

001 002 003 004 005 slices of bacon (smoked)

Jar of sand arrives at Shepherd's Bush = 8.3

- To be continued (over the next 2-3 years)

barto wrote:

"Oswald" with the mother of all noses

That is a perfectly normal 13YO Hungarian refugee intel spook doppelganger with a bag of hedgehogs hanging from his eyebrow.
What is of interest however is..........the height of the railing....
35.69 to the power of 7- the inseam... which equates to @station4 with the elevation of a lifting device..........as Chris said
"I could care less"

barto wrote:

"Oswald" with the mother of all noses

Its funny Bart that you post this pic because last week I finished listening to your amazing audio with Blunt (I mean who the hell DOESN'T like listening to that guy as a guest) and I was struck by his candor and honesty (well...not really since he generally is that way lol) but he did give Armstrong credit in a sense and said that even he couldn't wrap his head around a couple of instances in LHO's life where there genuinely seems to be 2 individuals (please correct me if I'm wrong, and Bart's interview of Blunt here. Honestly? The pic here and other LHO pics...not that I agree with JA's ultimate conclusions but this is just fricken weird....they look like two different human beings at times but there may be a rational, non-complicated answer even for that. The big question is the historicity of this photograph. I think the key is eliminating ALL other possibilities before we settle on what we can agree are the facts. JA has settled on his thesis, yet many of us are still digging and there so much more considering his work concluded years ago.

- To be continued (over the next 2-3 years)

You are right, he is still at it.

He made a triangle.

For what it's worth, Davidson's at it again on the JFK Forum. I guess he gave up on the EF and moved over there. I posted a reply but the man's delusional. All because the FBI's model was originally wrong and they needed to move the shots up to the correct position.

But then what do I know - I thought I *saw* Bob Oswald in Dealey Plaza LOL

John Boy Walton | Waltons' Mountain, VA

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"Did you read my posts on why there was no alteration, Chris? There's about 6 points. You'd have to go back and read them. Then the question, clearly, (as I said when I bumped that post back in Nov 2019) is - so Altgens was wrong to state where he was that day because you've somehow proven that he was not where he said he was?
You claim the shooting happened much further down the street, but because you believe based on your math formulas that 67% of the frames were removed the shooting sequence was altered. Yet, there is Altgens a second or two after Z313 on the curb and getting ready to take his final photo [the one where Jackie is on the trunk and Hill is there]. He said he was about 15 feet away when it happened and based on the Z film, that's correct because he's right there.
It'd probably be good idea to start a new thread on this forum about the Z film. We wouldn't want to post what we're posting on the above link because, in case you don't realize it, that's a humor thread, similar to what you'd read in the old Mad magazine. It's called parody."


I never said Altgens was in a different location than where he is seen on the extant zfilm.
What I did say was CE354 placed him farther east up the street than he was.
The WC knew exactly where his physical location was so there was no reason to try and confuse him and have him plot his location elsewhere which is represented by the #3 in the graphic.
This is what is shown on the original gif I supplied using CE354 overlayed on the Google Drommer plat.
Below, it is provided again with those approx locations labeled.
The shot that you see at z313 is not the final shot that hit JFK.
After the two shots in less than 1/2 second, their quite possibly was another(not necessarily human impact) shot afterwards.
The main reason for eliciting/deceiving/confusing using Altgens testimony was to try and expand the time between the two/three split second shots.

This is a beaut thread, zinin' along - advancing the case no end! As far as threads go it is a nose in front of all the others.

Chris,

Here's a pretty good display of who was where when 313 hit:



I say "pretty good" because Tyler made this based on testimony and watching the films. #53 is Altgens and he's not quite in the frame of the Z film until a few seconds after 313, which is accurate.

Altgens is one of the more lucid witnesses of the murder based on his testimony. I'll speculate but I believe it's because he was on the scene as a professional photographer. I've shot 300 weddings and receptions in my career so folks like this are aware of their surroundings. So Altgens seems to be quite aware of what was going on. Further, he stated this:

Mr. ALTGENS - Well, it sounded like it was coming up from behind the car from my position--I mean the first shot, and being fireworks--who counts fireworks explosions? I wasn't keeping track of the number of pops that took place, but I could vouch for No. 1, and I can vouch for the last shot, but I cannot tell you how many shots were in between. There was not another shot fired after the President was struck in the head. That was the last shot--that much I will say with a great degree of certainty.

He was there, Chris and we weren't so we have to take his word that he heard nothing else after 313.

As I've said ad nauseum about this, the FBI guys got their diorama wrong the first go around, Chris. They corrected it later. People make mistakes. There was nothing nefarious about getting it wrong and correcting it.

I would encourage you or anyone else to read/reread Mark Tyler's "Motorcade Animation" topic on the EF forum.
Start from where I initially interject in his thread and read on.
Pay attention to a few of the obscure syncing recommendations I make.
Pertaining to Altgens, he says nothing about zframe313 being the last shot.
You’ve made the assumption that a shot depicted as a headshot on extant z313 is what Altgens is describing.

George W. Hickey, Jr., Special Agent, White House Detail, White House garage, United States Secret ServiceActivities of S.A. George W. Hickey, Jr. from the time he arrived at Love Airfield, Dallas, Texas, Thursday, November 21, 1963, to the time he departed from the above Love Airfield, Friday, November 22, 1963

Hickey is in the SS limo directly behind the presidential limo. This is an excerpt from his observations:

“It looked to me as if the President was struck in the right upper rear of his head. The first shot of the second two seemed as if it missed because the hair on the right side of his head flew forward and there didn't seem to be any impact against his head. The last shot seemed to hit his head and cause a noise at the point of impact which made him fall forward and to his left again.”-

I rarely use testimony anymore, but in this instance I believe it's quite apropros.

I saw that post that you called "GOLD!!" I can't make heads or tails of it, Chris. I don't know what in the fuck you're trying to prove or illustrate. And now you're using some testimony.

What about "my" testimony, Chris? Altgens' testimony? 

And by the way, I posted months and months ago the synched video of Nix and Z made by that NW guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWEXZyMJMtA

To me, it proved that you can't take 67% of the frames out from one film and expect another film from another angle to match up perfectly. But now you're saying - to refer to that GIF you made - that they synch up...only they don't?

That one post you posted showing that a missed shot flew by blowing Kennedy's hair - please, Chris. Really? Have you ever driven in a convertible, Chris? Hair is going to fluff in the wind, Chris. That was no missed bullet whizzing by, Chris. Jeez!

I addressed Altgens testimony in both your previous posts.
You aren’t grasping what I described.
“Gold” refers to the Wiegman film as the standard for syncing.
Besides using the visual, the initial hair flap location @ z275 was based on Mark Tyler syncing Wiegman’s film start at the equivalent of z295 along with Hickey’s time estimate for shots.
When I finally put together a progressive frames version of Wiegman, that sync was no longer valid.
Hickey is telling you where/when the hair flap occurred, just remove the visual effect from z313 to see  it. 
To truly understand what Shaneyfelt and the WC were up to, start on Page 5 of the "Unveiling the Limo Stop" at the EF
For an immediate explanation use the Page7, June12 and follow up posting from it.




The Z camera was able to shoot at 48fps by pressing the lever(fingertip touch) down from normal to slo-mo.
The examples I have given before my latest topic show what the end result would be if this was utilized for the whole film.
At anytime while filming, you can let up on the lever and return to filming at the normal frame rate.
Get past the idea that the whole film was shot in slo-mo.
The end result of what was altered mimics the removal along with the outright removal of frames.
The Nix/Z sync example you provide has been addressed before.
I just explained this in someone's new post on Duncan’s forum under the topic "Physical Impossibilities in the Zapruder Film"
I suggest importing that gif into a program that allows you to advance it frame by frame.
Same amount of progressive frames in each.
The sync starts with Clints leg lifted off the street then moves in towards the limo.
The rest of it is explained in the posting.

I encourage you to remember some of the obscure sync points I have previously provided.
If you don’t believe there are more, you are sorely underestimating what is to come.
 
I’m finished addressing previous info we have discussed.
We are going nowhere fast.
I encourage you to review the Shaneyfelt material I have reversed engineered. If you understand the significance of it, then we can move forward.
Until then,
I agree to disagree.
Good luck,
Back to the numbers game for me.

I'm finished, too, Chris. Altgens said he didn't hear anything after 313. I have to take him at his word. He took a photo about 3-4 seconds after 313 showing Jackie climbing out of the car. According to you in your time warp, there's supposedly more shots "down there" but the frames for those were removed. Hence, the reasoning behind the revised FBI diorama and hence, the 67% of the frames being removed.

There was another testing of the Z film years ago and it proved to be authentic. If you don't want to believe that to be true then that's obviously your right and at this point, no one will ever be able to convince you otherwise. You've published god knows how many pages in your Swan Song thread on the Education Forum with all of your nonsense about formulas and otherwise proving, in your mind, that the film was altered. I doubt you'd ever have it in you to see things otherwise, even if Kennedy himself rose up from his grave, smacked you with a 2x4 on the head and said the film was authentic.

So carry on, Chris. It's exhausting arguing over this with you trying to prove to you there's no such thing as Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.