Who Did Craig See?

Jeff Reilley wrote:You know it was the unaccredited doppelganger. Doppelganger #3 I believe

David Belin: Now, about how many minutes was this after the time that you had turned that young couple over to Lemmy Lewis that you heard this whistle?
Roger Craig: Fourteen or 15 minutes.
David Belin: Was this, you mean, after the shooting?
Roger Craig: After the... from the time I heard the first shot.
David Belin: All right. Your heard someone whistle?
Roger Craig: Yes. So I turned and saw a man start to run down the hill on the north side of Elm Street, running down toward Elm Street.
David Belin: And, about where was he with relation to the School Book Depository Building?
Roger Craig: Directly across that little side street that runs in front of it, He was on the south side of it...
David Belin: And where was he with relation to the west side of the School Book Depository Building?
Roger Craig: Right by the... well, actually, directly in line with the west corner... the southwest corner,
David Belin: He was directly in line with the southwest corner of the building?
Roger Craig: Yes.
David Belin: And he was on the south curve of that street that runs right in front of the building there?
Roger Craig: Yes.
David Belin: And he started to run toward Elm Street as it curves under the underpass?
Roger Craig: Yes ; directly down the grassy portion of the park.
David Belin: All right. And then what did you see happen?
Roger Craig: I saw a light-colored station wagon, driving real slow, coming west on Elm Street from Houston... actually, it was nearly in line with him. And the driver was leaning to his right looking up the hill at the man running down.... And the station wagon stopped almost directly across from me. And... the man continued down the hill and got in the station wagon. And I attempted to cross the street. I wanted to talk to both of them. But the... traffic was so heavy I couldn't get across the street. And hey were gone before I could...
David Belin: Could you describe the man that you saw running down toward the station wagon?
Roger Craig: Oh, he was a white male in his twenties, five nine, five eight, something like that; about 140 to 150; had kind of medium brown sandy hair... you know, it was like it'd been blown... you know, he'd been in the wind or something-- it was all wild-looking; had on blue trousers...
David Belin: What shade of blue? Dark blue, medium or light?
Roger Craig: No; medium, probably; I'd say medium. And, a light tan shirt, as I remember it.
David Belin: Anything else about him?
Roger Craig: No; nothing except that he looked like he was in an awful hurry.
David Belin: What about the man who was driving the car?
Roger Craig: Now, he struck me, at first, as being a colored male. He was very dark and had real dark short hair, and was wearing a thin white-looking jacket, it looked like the short windbreaker type, you know, because it was real thin and had the collar that came out over the shoulder (indicating with hands) like that... just a short jacket.
David Belin: You say that he first struck you that way. Do you now think that he was a Negro?
Roger Craig: Well, I don't... I didn't get a real good look at him. But my first glance at him... I was more interested in the man coming down the hill... but my first glance at him, he struck me as a Negro...

Roger Craig: I drove up to Fritz' office about, oh, after 5... about 5:30 or something like that and talked to Captain Fritz and told him what I had saw. And he took me in his office... I believe it was his office.... it was a little office, and had the suspect setting in a chair behind a desk.... beside the desk. And another gentleman, I didn't know him, he was sitting in another chair to my left as I walked in the office. And Captain Fritz asked me was this the man I saw and I said, "Yes," it was.
David Belin: All right. Will you describe the man you saw in Captain Fritz' office?
Roger Craig: Oh, he was sitting down but he had the same medium brown hair; it was still... well, it was kinda wild looking; he was slender, and what I could tell of him sitting there, he was... short. By that, I mean not myself, I'm five eleven... he was shorter than I was. And fairly light build.
David Belin: Could you see his trousers?
Roger Craig: No; I couldn't see his trousers at all.
David Belin: What about his shirt?
Roger Craig: I believe, as close as I can remember, a T-shirt... a white T-shirt.
David Belin: All right. But you didn't see him in a lineup? You just saw him sitting there?
Roger Craig: No; he was sitting there by himself in a chair... off to one side.
David Belin: All right. Then, what did Captain Fritz say and what did you say and what did the suspect say?
Roger Craig: Captain Fritz then asked.... "What about this station wagon?" And the suspect interrupted him and said, "That station wagon belongs to Mrs. Paine"... I believe is what he said. "Don't try to tie her into this. She had nothing to do with it."

lanceman wrote:So Stuart Reed, Umbrella Man and “Rambler Oswald” if not completely dismissed, are very unlikely.

Is it possible that Fritz and others earlier heard general details of what Craig saw and that the detectives sent out to the Pains returned and mentioned the station wagon to Fritz?

How then, did Oswald get to the theater? The Marsalis bus testimony is pretty weak, the bus transfer doesn’t look like it had been pocketed. No reports of Oswald on the Beckley bus which would have been a more logical choice if it was Oswald’s intention to go directly to the theater.

Then again, Tippit could have driven him there. /sarc

lanceman wrote:My Reply In Italic Below;

I can’t recall where I read it but I remember the FBI timed Whaley a few times trying to get his time down to make the Oswald escape timeline work.

When that didn't work for a predetermined timeline the FBI took over and made Whaley a passenger in his own cab, so to speak.

McWatters and Milton Jones’ testimony is in conflict regarding how delayed the Marsalis bus was. McWatters doesn’t give specific times but says he was on schedule until held up by traffic before reaching Dealey Plaza. The bus was stopped for some indeterminate amount of time and then police cleared lanes for buses to pass through Dealey Plaza. Jones said they were held up for almost an hour and didn’t get to Marsalis and Brownlee until about 1:45. So, public transportation was slowed to some extent.

Was the Beckley bus delayed as Milton says?
How would anyone know?
Wouldn't the Beckley bus driver have a lot of your answers?
PS Beckley Bus takes Elm and is not slowed any after Houston street.. Marsalis bus takes Houston Street Via Duct.
Plus after the road block at Market it was only buses allowed through.
I would think that portion of Elm wasn't a delay at all for McWatters. 
Now since Beckley bus and Marsalis bus are right together, as usual, either they experienced equal delays in getting through Elm street or something was amiss in the late arriving statement.


This is a bit of a detour but you make some good arguments in “The Beckley Bunch” that Oswald did not live at 1026 N. Beckley. If the bus transfer was planted on Oswald, why would a Marsalis bus transfer be planted on Oswald rather than a Beckley bus transfer?

Thanks!
Dallas' finest stepped outside headquarters and grabbed the Marsalis driver off his second routes bus... they didn't grab a driver with Beckley Transfers.

The real Oswald getting into the Rambler doesn’t fit with Oswald the “loner”.

Nor no accomplices or conspirators.
Cops need him on a bus alone, then buses, then buses and a cab.
It's rather pathetic imo.


The Rambler driver wasn’t a fellow employee. He didn’t seem to have any friends in the area. I can’t see Oswald asking a random stranger for a ride.

Maybe driver worked at DALTEX like a lot of dark skinned people whom weren't negroes. Garment workers.
Again like the Beckley Bus no one asks the next door neighboring workers.
No one is questioned about Lee. Daltex is void of info.
Aren't "black holes" supposed to be rare?
...not in Dallas. 


On the other hand, it seems reckless for fellow conspirators picking up Oswald in such a conspicuous place.

Yes why be associated with a "killer" after his deed...unless Lee shot no one and his ride had no reason to suspect such... if Lee got a ride. Wesley was no stranger and has some missing time. 


I think you’re right on the Craig timing. He also talked to a couple of witnesses who he then turned over to other law enforcement officers for statements and then was inspecting the infield for bullet marks. It could easily been much closer to 1:00 when he spotted “Oswald”.

I agree, timing is flimsy. If it was Lee the driver hauled arses to the Texas Theatre.

If Craig was already familiar with Oswald when he spotted him getting the Rambler, his account would be much harder to dismiss than seeing him briefly about 1:00 and then seeing him a few hours later in Fritz’s office.


Especially since Craig would say the man is still wearing the same clothes... ooops that's three strikes Craig was our. Fritz and company were pitching fastball.

greg_parker wrote:
Not sure why amyone would tail them tho?