THE BAD BOYS OF OAK CLIFF -- PART I

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https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/27354-the-bad-boys-of-oak-cliff-part-i/ 

An ed forum post by  @Gil Jesus.

Gil is on the right track. 
https://gregrparker.com/essays/

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Unfortunately Gil is under attack from the uber-conspiracist and Tippit disinformationist, Joseph McBride for crimes against conspiracy groupthink. 

I use the word "disinfornmationist" deliberately when it comes to McBride.

I refuse to believe someone with a long history in the news industry is so blithely unaware that the following constitutes proof of anything - except McBride's deplorably low standards. "Marie Tippit told Edgar Lee Tippit what Mentzel told her about the hunt for Oswald he and J. D. were ordered by the DPD to make shortly after the assassination, by at least 12:45 (Oswald was not officially identified until about 2:10 p.m. at the downtown police station)."


Is there a respectable journalist in the world who would accept 3rd or 4th hand hearsay from a nonagenarian on the cusp of dementia as proof of anything?  McBride makes it clear, he most certainly does accept it as proof - and that belief on his part is simply unbelievable. He may as well claim he believes in fairies at the bottom of his garden because the previous owner's daughter had a friend who said she saw one there. 

And Greg Doudna is probably right about the knifing incident. However, as I show in my piece, there was tesimony that Tippit was answering a disturbance call, and there is a gap in the tapes where siuch a call may have been deleted.

[quote="greg_parker"]https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/27354-the-bad-boys-of-oak-cliff-part-i/ 

An ed forum post by  @Gil Jesus.

Gil is on the right track. 
https://gregrparker.com/essays/

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Unfortunately Gil is under attack from the uber-conspiracist and Tippit disinformationist, Joseph McBride for crimes against conspiracy groupthink. 

I use the word "disinfornmationist" deliberately when it comes to McBride.

I don't buy McBride's story that they were "hunting" Oswald. It makes good movie story, but not a lot of sense. As a former police officer and dispatcher, it makes no sense. Oak Cliff was a bad section of town with a lot of businesses and a lot of criminals. Statistically, most housebreaks in the US are done in the daytime while people are at work. You'd want police coverage there especially if a good number of your units were tied up downtown and at the hospital. All I did was give my opinion that I found nothing sinister in their dispatching those units to Oak Cliff and McBride lost his sh*t.  You'd think I was the shooter on the grassy knoll. And thank you to the posters who enjoy my work. I don't expect everyone to agree with my conclusions, but I will continue to attack the so-called evidence with the evidence. Harold Weisberg once told Tom Rossley "hit 'em with the evidence" and that's what Rossley passed on to me. In a way, I'm continuing their work. Thanks again.
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Keep up the good work, Gil.

Brian, I give up. You're impervious to logic and reason, deaf to all but the sirens you hear, serenading you in your mind.

I'm not being facetious, or unnecessarily condescending, but your response was so confused ; an incoherent jumble of wilful distortion and wishful thinking, I could barely make any sort of sense out of it

I know you won't believe me Brian but I was genuinely trying to engage you , non confrontationally, in a meaningful dialogue. I agree with you. The 13 Inch Head forum is awash with cliques, and largely populated by a gormless assortment of bobble headed yes men, and naïve simple minded neophytes.

Brian, reading your response was like reading an Old English manuscript. Occasionally some words made sense, enabling the careful reader to reconstruct a sentence or two, before lapsing back into incoherence.

You seem to be engaged in some never ending internal monologue, one that only makes sense to you. Your argument, like your prose is fractured to the point of incomprehensibly.

Brian, unlike you I'm not blessed with preternatural powers, I'm not clairvoyant, nor can I see through solid matter.

I can only respond to evidence that exists.

During  the  one and only thread on the Ed forum, from 2016 , dealing with this topic , only Larsen claimed, albeit briefly, to see a woman's face. Apart from you no one else has ever seen this elusive thread, maybe it's a ghost thread... the internet equivalent of the Flying Dutchman...caught smuggling contraband knitwear during the Great Golf Jumper famine of 1994, Captain Gordon is doomed to wander cyberspace for eternity...

One minute you claim to have measured the " chubby cheeks" photogrammetrically, the next, using your psychic powers you claim to know what a non existent photo analyst would say.

Do you see the contradiction?

Unless you have X Ray vision how do you know who is standing where on the TSBD front platform...when half the fucking platform is obscured!!

I mentioned nothing about Bart, or where he places Stanton, I've most certainly never deleted anything, nor have I been involved in " debates" on the forums you mention.

Unless I have my very own doppelganger!

I can assure you Brian, neither my doppelganger or I would be seen dead in either of those shitholes..

Talking of shitholes , I politely request you to refrain from copying parts of my posts for use on that particular forum. 

You're asking for the impossible; to argue evidence that doesn't exist, or else is purely a subjective projection, of what you claim highly skilled photo analysts would say..

Brian, I've spoken to highly qualified professionals. Our very own Mick Purdy and the grandfather of an old school friend who worked at the BBC in the 60s..

The so called enhancement is a distorted mess. Its artwork Brian.

Forget this bizarre vendetta, take off your Prayerman goggles and LOOK at the fucking image. Compare the original, your enhanced version and Mrs Stanton's photo- use your eyes 

I don't know why I'm wasting my time with this .Trying to make you see sense and come back down to earth, and some semblance of rationality, is an utterly futile endeavour.

I've looked through Lord Gordo's posts, and his rare interventions, when he's condescended to leave his cozy Olympian perch...his main area of interest seems to be the medical evidence, and mopping up after Lifton's " little accidents", oh yes and acting as a result facto enabler for the H and L cultsters..

Again Brian I can only deal with tangible evidence. And all available evidence clearly indicates he couldn't give two fucks about Prayerman..

I'm going to let your comments about Hendrix pass, as they are so insulting and in such poor taste I would feel ashamed even acknowledging them, much less repeating them in a public forum.

I've done my penance, I tried Brian but it's impossible.

Apologies, I was distracted earlier. I've got a few minutes to quickly respond to Brian's outstanding " points". Armstrong forbid, I'd hate to be accused of typical British cowardice for not fully replying to his hallucinatory diatribe, perhaps if I do I'll be saved the ignominy of joining Captain Bly( sic) RN , James, 14th Baron Gordon ,and other ,as yet unnamed,  British bastards in the Sanibel Island Hall of Infamy..

Brian, you were running around various blogs and fora( usually via proxies) claiming that Buell Frazier identified Prayerman as Sarah Stanton...yet in his book he states, quite clearly , he doesn't know who the figure is.

You can't expect people, even individuals predisposed to accept your argument,  to believe non existent evidence.

You can't keep making these extravagant claims, referencing evidence you alone claim exists, evidence that has been mysteriously " deleted", or otherwise absorbed into the ether; evidence that contradicts other reputable evidence that does exist. Nor can you keep trying to pre empt what imaginary photo analysts would say... and then  start accusing people of dishonesty if they don't just tamely accept your predictions..

Mrs Stanton's hair colour and build rules her out. Brian, Mrs Stanton's FBI statement too. Come on Brian, you know fine well what she said. Over on the FAO Brian Doyle Urgent thread you excoriated me for trollishly confusing " immediately" for 10 minutes, or however long you claim she stood on the steps. After having reached out to HARVEY as a fellow outcast, not realising his apparent reticence was really just his intel spook training kicking in...after being brushed off by HARVEY, Mrs Stanton hid in the shadows, due to her lack of confidence..then , as the limo swung past, remembering the glowing stain on her hand ,from the brief encounter with Radioactive Man,  in the soon to be infamous 2nd floor lunchroom, she stuck her head into her giant purse, looking for the hankerchief Billy Lovelady leant her...

Seriously Brian, with your gift for unintentional humour and knack for dreaming up fantastically improbable scenarios... not to mention the over reliance on the hoary old " the dog ate the evidence"routine, have you ever thought about joining the Trine Day stable of trooftellers?

Hell Vince Palamara has managed to churn out four or so and he's borderline illiterate.

Oswald may not be Prayerman. But Brian whoever the elusive figure is he's most certainly not a diminutive 300lb grey haired woman with a glowing hand 

Until you can find the mysteriously deleted threads , until you actually contact cutting edge photo analysts, unless you can provide actual evidence that's verifiable, thus falsifiable, and until you can produce all the other evidence we're just going to keep going round and round in meaningless circles ..

The stuff about wristless arms, chubby cheeks and other such vaguely alarming sounding esoterica is just more word salad .

Would you be impressed if DVP showed you a photo of a grey haired woman and claimed it was Oswald? Going on and on about all this really fantastic evidence only he had seen? Would you buy it? Of course you wouldn't..and rightly so..

Anyway Brian I'd still be interested to hear what you have to say about H and L. 

Please for your own sake cut out the endless recycling of the same old same old. Find a reputable photo analyst, try the Wayback Machine, bring some evidence to the table , rather than just you're a lying troll and an unskilled booby.

Whatever you do or don't do, take it easy,man. You're just going to drive yourself crazy, endlessly refighting the same old unwinnable battle...

Whither you think I am sincere or not, my inbuilt British perfidy aside, I can assure you I am. I tried engaging you in a reasonable non confrontational discussion, but if you're just going to call me a lying troll before regurgitating the same old routine I don't see any further point..

But for fuck sake don't degrade yourself by consorting with the likes of Big Dog..

If you want to be taken seriously,  start acting  seriously. 

I'm off to dust down the old redcoat and dig out the ACME Cecil Rhodes Guide to Empire Building, and Rudyard Kipling's Tips for any self respecting British bastard..lunch and an afternoon's cricket at Lords, dinner at the Savoy Grill, Cigars and brandy at the Club then a quick Hansom across to Whitechapel to pick up a couple of nubile young fillies...

I say Miss Cholmondley Smythe you do look jolly spiffing in Robert Clive's old corset!! Tally ho Toodle Pip old bean and chocs away...let's go stick one up the beastly Hun! Last one in Berlin buys the tiffin and the cucumber sandwiches..

greg_parker wrote:Gil's essay has  caused our dear Brian to have a major relapse.

This was brought to my attention by someone on Facebook.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/GhVq7gV13b0

The boy has all the depth of a wet sidewalk.

Ow dear I see a new platform for Doyle, where has learned a new skill and now knows how to separate text and to paste his answers in, such an improvement of Doyle's writing skills. Next he will wallop us with inserting a picture. 

Nothing has changed, same old boring Doyle...

So he still can't accept his bottle of vinegar is not Remi Martin cognac. And he now has a Youtube comment ban to add to his list of achievements. Respect for that Brian...i didn't think that was possible!
Your father would be proud to see that you turned out to be the man he predicted you would be...a fucking idiot. Funny though.
Make your reply screed interesting...

I wonder how long until he gets banned there too.

I apologise Barto, if my ill fated folly, attempting to hold a rational conversation with someone who seems hellbent on making a public exhibition of himself everytime he sits at a keyboard, was a contributing factor to him dragging your name once more into the fetid slime of his fevered imaginings..He's started a thread about you now...chock full of the usual insightful prognostication and self effacing good humour..

He's seething with envy, the jealousy is palpable and oozing out of the pores of every poorly constructed sentence..

Doyle, a joke is a joke, your continued references to British bastards was mildly amusing, I even held my nose and tried to forget your past dabblings in holocaust denial, having realised that it's simply an affectation, the lingering influence of your late father's beliefs. You simply lack the intellect , as well as a sophisticated enough understanding of history to grasp the overwhelming reality of the holocaust ,and the lasting pernicious influence of latter day denial

But when you start throwing around references to retards and retardation I draw the line. I've mentioned this before, so it's partly my fault for giving you the benefit of the doubt. I want absolutely nothing more to do with you, in all my life I have never once encountered anyone so lacking in self knowledge. One of my great aunts adopted a little boy, who you no doubt would class as retarded, and to read someone like you, who has had all the benefits of health, wealth and education use terms like that so flippantly, it makes my blood fucking boil. It's only out of respect for Greg and the other members here I don't say what I really think about you.

Anyway, I'm just making things worse, By attempting any sort of rational discourse  I'm just further enabling your warped fantasies.

I felt sorry for you , and I felt ashamed of myself for some of my earlier comments. They were meant purely in jest, but that's no excuse, words can still hurt regardless of the intent.

Foolishly I thought I'd try and make amends by trying to engage you,. I was wrong... I've known people like you all my life, I grew up , went to school, university etc with folk cursed with the certainty and security of an affluent, or reasonably affluent background. Most are strengthened by it, while others are destroyed by it. Their characters ossified , forever marooned in a terminal pre adolescence. 

Noisy petulant self centered little brats. Never growing up. But saying that I've never had the misfortune of encountering anyone quite so deluded. You cling furiously to your delusion , it's the lifebelt keeping you from sinking completely into  the abyss...you have to keep believing in deleted threads, nefarious cabals of conspiring mods, trembling at the thought of having their intellectual shortcomings revealed by the most geniusy genius detective of all. You have to keep inventing fantasy conversations because without them you're nothing...

To be quite honest I couldn't care less about your absurd delusions. What you are doing is a grotesque parody of research,...3% skill percentile and peer reviewed academic discourse!! 

Your playing stupid games, moving blurry distorted figures around in your mind. Shrieking abuse at people for being too dumb to recognise evidence that doesn't exist...Or evidence that changes on a daily basis. Some conspiracy theories encourage stupid people to feel intelligent because they deal purely in fantasy; make believe evidence, imaginary conversations, cameras that turn grey hair dark if the contingency arises, only to be replaced by cutting edge software that distinguishes between light and dark...

Go ahead chalk this one up, it's another debate you've won through your superior skills. James Gordon, Duncan Macrae, Greg and all the other moderators and blog/ website owners have made a secret pact... they're terrified of being shown up by such a genius. 

Steely, you were right, you had this obnoxious unpleasant serial fantasist pegged a long time ago. I made the huge mistake of trying to treat him seriously..it's not a mistake I'll be making again in a hurry.

I hope you enjoyed his latest screed. It included a few classics

You're on your own Doyle, but I guess you're used to that.

EDIT- I've just wasted a couple of hours going back through the " Prayerman or Prayerwoman?" Research Thread, over on the Education Forum. Specifically pages 29 to 38. I'd like to extend my profoundest apologies to all members and lurkers, especially Barto, for being partially responsible for the resurrection of this preposterous drivel.

" 100% agreement , eh? 15/15 agreeing it was a " woman's face"...

Macrae mysteriously " misplacing" his " data"?? Claims of deleted threads and imaginary photo analysts? " Spectral analysis (!) "proving" Prayerman's hair is dark??

Almost exactly 5 years ago...FIVE fucking years of this ridiculous song and dance. You've some brassneck I'll give you that.

Professor Larsen, the one person who thought he saw a woman's face not only retracted his statement but commented, barely a page after making his original observation ," That's not a woman's face..its a Frankenstein monster"

I don't blame Doyle, he can't help it, he manipulates well meaning researchers into playing his pathetic games..." You're not answering the correct evidence..a more skilled researcher would see...any credible photo analysts.."

You couldn't care less about the assassination, this is all just some stupid game, playing out your warped fantasies and delusions of grandeur" You do absolutely no original work, hell the most skilled researcher can't even post his own evidence...you sit on the sidelines, carping and pontificating, as if you're a mixture of Solomon and fucking Rumpole of the Bailey!! Most skilful researcher...3% percentile range!!

Woman's face!! Armstrong give me strength!!

The scientific enhancement turns out to be a few frames photoshopped from a DVD!!

Again Barto I apologise for detracting from your other serious work, and inadvertently dredging up this cack again..

Alex, you should be aware that Brian had no problem in observing a male figure with a receding hairline. He was so confident in fact, he corrected Larrytrotterimage.
He's nothing but an idiotic lying sack of shit with a total lack of self awareness.
Enjoy his rants and then laugh at him.
I might comment on one of his Youtube videos just to see if he can reply...

Rant in ...but he forgot to mention he used his skill to detect a male figure with a receding hairline.
Sit back and enjoy him refuting himself.
Yes.......he's THAT stupid.

For the sake of my sanity and my blood pressure I'll have to pass. Tempting as the prospect is... .I  fear this poor cowardly British booby is all ranted out...if I read anymore references to deleted threads or glowing hands I'm afraid, when you open tomorrow's Daily Bastard, over your mug of tea and plate of bacon and eggs , you'll be reading about the troll punk who was arrested outside Buckingham Palace screaming about elongated foreheads, while trying to break into the corgi's kennels, to interrogate the tufty tailed little British so in so about the threads he and James Gordon surreptitiously deleted..

But I have contacted my spirit guide..Long John HARVEY Silver...the famous Hungarian buccaneer... the most feared doppelganger ever to sail the River Pest..

" Thou art the knaviest most trollish of punks...Yo ho ho and a bottle of ruhypnol spiked rum...50 grey haired women on the dead doppelgangers chest( no John Butler not like THAT...Ah hobbits I haven't got the energy to explain..) X marks the spot me hearties..the thread ye seek be buried deep in Lord Gordo's shaft ..take ye 20 steps across the sands of Baggins Cove, but beware the ghost of the grey bearded lady with her glowing hand...she wanders restlessly me ol' shipmates.. waitin' for the Cap'n Gordon of the Flying Troll Punk...for he and Cap'n Bly done give her the ol' glowing hand...Shiver me timbers"

Deafening silence from the wank splat. He must be writing a H&L sized post about how he was "hoodwinked" .....or he's put his foot through his monitor...instead of his mouth.

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Prayer Man is important because a good percentage of Conspiracy Theorists (over 90%) were allowing themselves to be mis-led that it was Oswald...Once you debunk it like I have done you can then concentrate on where Oswald really was during the shooting...He was in the 2nd floor lunch room...

The ROKC troll Alex Wilson asked me my opinion on Harvey & Lee...I posted a cutting edge solution that I discovered from Armstrong's evidence that may crack the case inside the Depository...The troll Alex Wilson asked me for it and said he was interested...When I posted that solution he ignored it...


You have ignorned that as the worlds leading detective , you identified the figure as a male with a receding hairline. Are you saying that you are an idiot?

A wise man knows his own limitations Steely ..how can I possibly compete with such a genius?..... I ask him about H and L, specifically referencing HARVEYs supposed language ability only to be hit with a disjointed ramble , charting the imaginary routes of imaginary critters, out the TSBD ,after being informed the events of Nov 22nd 1963 somehow provide definitive proof for a double doppelganger project that, according to legend, commenced in 1947!!

I mean, assuming just for the sake of argument there was some kind of Oswald double roaming around the Depository , how the fuck does this prove there was an impossibly convoluted decade long double doppelganger project complete with dumpy fake moms et al?

The ghost of Magnus Pike must be looking on in wonderment..

After all only some sort of genius could deduce from my comments upstream , that it was his " solution" to H and L , not his sickening use of certain phrases, one in particular, that I found repellent.

I'm taking your sage advice from now on. Replying to him is just further enabling his ridiculous fantasies..Laughing stocks are made for laughing at...and this particular specimen has certainly earned his place at Mad Hatter's Tea table, who am I to deny him his rightful place?

His arsehole has been plugged.

One more page out of The Saga of the Defective Detective. Always an amusing escape for times when slipping the surly bonds of reality brings welcome relief. In other words, it's good for a laugh.       at    .

I don't think this guy Brian who goes by the screen name "Scrum Drum" on the newsgroup a.c.j.  is stable. He seems to have a problem with anyone associated with the Ed Forum or Greg Parker. If you are, in his eyes you're the enemy. He regurgitates Armstrong and when you ask him for the evidence, he either changes the subject or responds with insults. He seems like the "David Von Pein" of the conspiracy side. He's up Armstrong's arse as far as Von Pein was once up Bugliosi's and is now up Dale Myers'. I've decided that he's batsh*t crazy and I'm ignoring him from now on. He seems to have a problem with everything I post, but he'll have to troll someone else. I don't have time for his foolishness. Sorry Brian, like many of the wacky who-did-it theories that have come down the pike, you're just not worth my time.

My research is based on the official evidence and showing that evidence to be false. I don't get into theories.

BTW, I know Brian is reading this, unlike you Brian, I've been invited to give a presentation. It will be part of this year's annual JFK Lancer Virtual Conference and the subject will be the one that made you lose your sh*t, [b]The Bad Boys of Oak Cliff.[/b] 

What will you be doing next month ? 

ROFLMAO (I knew he'd read it.)

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/fGzYW0dnciA

We should start recording the presentation any day now. I don't profess to be an expert and my research is not on the subject matter per se, so if anyone has any info on this subject they'd like me to present on their behalf, please send it along with your name. I'd appreciate any help you can give me. Of course, like all my postings that use references, I'll make sure you get the credit. Thanks.

He is a big troll. He has been banned from various forums. It is a waste of time to try and reason with him. He keeps on attacking and insulting anybody who disagrees with him.

A delusional loser...a lyin' piece of dreck......worst troll in the community and a filthy creep.....CREEP....CREEP!!!!!

Congratulations Gil, and good luck. I may not agree with all your conclusions but I can appreciate your analytical abilities, your tenacity and your respect for basic epistemology.

If Doyle possessed even an iota of self awareness he'd perhaps realise why his self proclaimed " skill" is universally derided. Come hell or high water he seems determined to persist in his delusions. He seems determined to make a fool of himself , that of course is his prerogative. 

Unfortunately he is the absolute personification of a small , but vociferous minority of internet conspiracy hobbyists. His gullibility and his capacity for self delusion appears limitless...he perfectly epitomises the unsophisticated  demographic that allows parasites and charlatans like Jeffries and the Trine Day stable of trooftellers to prosper.

Like Butler et al his ignorance of history , photography, technology, even the assassination itself is startling. But to be fair he's not anywhere near as stupid as Butler, or even Professor Larsen. Before his genius fully blossomed there were occasional glimmers of persepacity, humour even. He's way too gullible and immature for this. It's become his whole identity. By persisting in this ridiculous tribalism he's received time and time again. 

I'm not wasting anymore of my time, floating around in the arid wastes and the outermost fringes of trooferdom..even the funniest jokes get boring after you've heard them 100s of times..

Those threads over on acjfk have perhaps set a new all-time low.. Benavides the barber, cutting edge sperm experiments, then cutting edge laser wielding time travelling intel spooks doing Armstrong knows what to ovaries... back in early 1939!

His posts are the equivalent of a spoilt little brat throwing a tantrum because he didn't get the toy he wanted for Xmas.. stamping his dainty pink sandaled feet and shrieking " I'm a highly skilled researcher" before repeating the same old litany ... hackneyed fantasy scenarios , laced with splutters of vitriol 

How can I possibly respond intelligently to fantasy evidence? There was no fucking HARVEY Oswald.. anyone who possesses a  rudimentary understanding of the history of American intelligence agencies, a basic comprehension of inter war military and political history , not to mention the socio political climate would clearly recognise H and L for the fantasy it is..

Much to my ever lasting chagrin I believed in H and L too, albeit briefly. Overwhelmed by the sheer volume of seemingly supportive evidence. What was the line in JFK again? In this case it wasn't the thought numbing splendour of a state funeral...no, it was the thought numbing volume.. crude and unsophisticated as the methods were , H and L was still a very effective conjuring trick..

There's nothing quite so beguiling as the glitter of fool's gold... especially if you are desperate to be beguiled.

Taken individually , and when exposed to the cold light of reason, the evidence crumbles . Piece by piece. The whole rickety structure was pretty soon reduced to dust.

Armstrong created( purposefully or not) a tangled web, so intricate it appeared simply overwhelming. By focusing on poorly sourced hearsay, highly dubious witness statements etc he sought to confound the senses, ( imho) to avoid focusing on the central premise. Which is palpable and proveable nonsense.

Instead of dealing with actual facts, brushing aside each subsequent debunking, the Benavides as barber being just the latest in a depressingly long line, we get unprovable fantasy scenarios.. Surprise Surprise the first floor encounter was with another Oswald, Bill Shelley CIA agent etc etc..how can I possibly respond intelligently to fantasy evidence? 

So Gil is a disinfo plant now? As usual, if you actually had any fucking idea , and any real knowledge of the history and methodology of agent provocateurs you'd realise that the only one who is acting remotely like a disinfo plant is YOU 

Your incontinent blather makes the like of BigDog and co look like exemplars of rational discourse..

The likes of you, Jeffries and Butler are the best propaganda tools the government could ever hope for .

You are way too gullible and way too immature for this. Despite your toxicity and your horrendous behaviour I feel desperately sorry for you. You're allowing yourself to be eaten up by a particularly malignant blend of impotence, anger and frustration..

Just in time for Halloween!! 

I'd forgotten just how creepy that video was!! If the great Ed D Wood had directed Psycho this clip would have made the perfect establishing shot..

MOTHER( V.O) " Put some clothes on boy , after you've finished cleaning come inside and clip my toenails, I'm making a boiled egg for dinner, we can watch Leave it to Beaver together with the sound down low, if you're a very good boy we can put on those special records Uncle Josef sent"

Brian " Ok mommie, but only if you let me cut off the heads of the toast soldiers( eyes fill with a predatory gleam) before I eat'em"

Goes back to washing car..

( BRIAN V.O SINGING AS WE CUT TO THE TWO TERRIFIED DUCT TAPED TEENAGERS STRUGGLING IN THE BACK SEAT OF THE CAR)

" Raise the flags on high! Unleash the brown battalions! S.A man march with strong and steady step"

An interesting and yet disturbing question about Tippit was put to Chief Curry by Commission Member Allen Dulles during testimony:

[i]Mr. DULLES.  A rumor reached me that Officer Tippit had been some way involved in some narcotic trouble, I don't know what the foundation of that is.  Do you know anything about that at all?[/i]


[i]Mr. CURRY. Nothing whatsoever; no, sir.[/i]


[i]Representative FORD. You mean you know nothing about it or you checked it out and there is no validity?[/i]


[i]Mr. CURRY. This is the first I ever heard of it that he was involved in any narcotics.[/i]


[i]Representative FORD. But your records, so far as you know, would not indicate such?[/i]


[i]Mr. CURRY. No, sir.[/i]


[i]( 4 H 177-178 )[/i]

The police had no record of Tippit being involved in narcotics. Was that because he wasn't, or because he hadn't gotten caught yet ? And where did Dulles get that "rumor" from ? 

Could Tippit's murder have been the result of some kind of drug-related issue ?

Just trying to stimulate some thoughts.

I always found it curious that Tippit was driving down an obscure street without being called there. He had been reassigned outside his normal patrol district less than 20 minutes before. I don’t know how patrolling officers decide where exactly to patrol but in Tippit’s case, I would assume he would stick to main streets under the assumption, more traffic/people=more crime. How familiar would he be with the crime situation in that particular area?

Were any of the houses in the immediate area of the shooting known for any illicit activity, either among criminals or among cops? Drugs, prostitution, payoffs etc.?

https://digitalcommons.law.uga.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1145&context=fac_pm

Here's a pretty good play by play of what happened to Tippit. There are others out there too.

lanceman wrote:I always found it curious that Tippit was driving down an obscure street without being called there. He had been reassigned outside his normal patrol district less than 20 minutes before. I don’t know how patrolling officers decide where exactly to patrol but in Tippit’s case, I would assume he would stick to main streets under the assumption, more traffic/people=more crime. How familiar would he be with the crime situation in that particular area?

Were any of the houses in the immediate area of the shooting known for any illicit activity, either among criminals or among cops? Drugs, prostitution, payoffs etc.?

It was not a good area. 

And although this is hearsay (the offical investigation is full of it when it suits), given the area and an apparent edit in the tapes, I think this particular hearsay may just be true.

The lack of interest by the WC is also perhaps telling.

Mr. POTTS. When I was walking across the street there, I parked my car over at the Scottish Rite parking lot there and it's the Masonic lot and when I come across the street there at Commerce and Harwood this officer on the corner there said, "Did you hear about Tippit getting killed?" I said, "No; I didn't hear about that." He said, "Yes; I understand he got killed on a disturbance call over in Oak Cliff." That's the first I had heard about Tippit...

One or more crime gang members casing houses while everyone is preoccupied with a presidential parade may have caused a phone call to be made.