Lance P is 1000% certain

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Lance @the 13 inch head emporium wrote:(I noticed on the ROKC site that Prayer Man is still the rage. Greg Parker is sure the Lone Nut hypothesis will "go poof" when access is gained to the original Wiegman and Darnell films. I'm pretty much 1000% percent confident it's Prayer Man that will go poof, but if I'm wrong I will instantly join the ranks of CTers I now regard as nutty.)

Lance, you are welcome to come here and explain your impossibly high certainty. 

I agree with probably more than half of your other assertions. I have a whole forum dedicated to clearing the decks of all the dross produced by every side of the case.

Fact is, I may have joined you as nutter, if not for my 99.9% certainty that the figure in question is Oswald and that the associated evidence also points to a frame in place by Dallas police - now infamous for the number of innocent people they have locked up over the many decades of the Wade/Fritz/Decker eras.

So watcha waiting for?

Steve Roe wrote:The Prayer-Blob theory is just a wishful fantasy. A researcher friend of mine asked Buell Frazier (who was just a few feet away from Prayer-Blob) and said he didn't see Oswald on the steps. No one else saw Oswald on the steps. 

So the word of a proven liar is all you have to didmiss it? Brilliant! Ask him how he knows it wasn't Oswald. He'll tell you it is because he saw Oswald leaving from down the side of the building and getting into a car...

Fucking wanker.

Denis M wrote:PM could have been Oswald only if he had been able to arrive on the steps from the 6th floor where he shot JFK. Had Oswald been on the steps, Frazier would have seen him.

I'll take you (fractionally) more seriously when you finally remember the right way to spell your surname.

In the meantime, your analysis as usual, is as weak as piss, putting the cart before the horse and whipping it like it will actually get you somewhere. 

And Frazier? Of course he saw him. Do you believe everything Frazier says?

Like Oswald leaving from the back and getting into a car?

Fucking wanker.

My dear friend and friend to all god's critters, David von Pein wrote:If the Prayer Man advocates are correct and Lee Harvey Oswald had truly been innocent of shooting President Kennedy and if Oswald had really been standing on the front steps of the Book Depository Building when JFK was shot, is it truly likely (or reasonable to assume) that he would have just clammed up when he was afforded the perfect opportunity to shout his "I Was On The Front Steps!" alibi to the world when he was asked this specific question by a reporter at 7:55 PM CST on 11/22/63:

Were you in the building at the time [of the assassination]?

Now, if the people who think Oswald is "Prayer Man" are right, then when LHO was confronted with the above question, wouldn't Oswald's logical and likely response have been one that resembled something like this one?:

No sir! I was NOT inside the building at the time the President was being shot! I was OUTSIDE that building at that time! I was standing on the front steps of that building, right next to Buell Wesley Frazier and several other employees of the Depository! Go ask Wesley! He'll tell you I was there!

But instead of Oswald giving the above answer (or one similar to it), what we heard coming from Lee Oswald's mouth when asked "Were you in the building at the time?" was this:

"Naturally, if I work in that building, yes, sir."

Dear David.

Read my reply to Lance here and try again.

Fucking wanker.

Mick_Purdy wrote:You also refuse to acknowledge the impossibility of his being able to know that Jarman and Norman had re-entered the building had he been on the 6th floor. The one and only place he could have seen that from was the 1st floor. Which is where he placed himself - inside the break room with a perfect view of the loading dock through which they re-entered.


This is the single most powerful proof of Oswald's watertight alibi. Period. And it's buried among parts of the reports which helped shape the official narrative whether we like it or not. It proves beyond a reasonable doubt that Oswald was on the first floor at approximately 12:25pm. It is not ambiguous - it is crystal clear. It cannot be misinterpreted by reasonable, rational, logical thinking people no matter what their pet theories might be. This one piece of exculpatory evidence alone is enough to have this case re investigated in my humble opinion.


For all the bullshit, for all the whacky theories, for all the absolute nonsense and drivel written about Oswald's alleged guilt - here is one irrefutable piece of evidence which destroys the official narrative of Oswald's whereabouts at the time of the assassination.


With or without the Darnell frame PM as Oswald identification this is enough to quash any notion that Oswald was the shooter from the upper floors of the TSBD.

Couldn't agree more, mate. In any sane society, this would be the catalyst to start to dismantle the official narrative.

But  nothing works like a photo on the lazy minds of the general population of wankers out there.

Little Matty Koch wrote:Fritz notes say Oswald was in the lunch room with negro employees.. The prayer man is clearly a woman 

Yet other reports simply say Oswald said he saw them walking through. 

Hmmm. The wingnut sides with the known framer of innocent people and uses that as his sole reason for claiming a wanker on youtrube is right about PM being a female. What a shock. 

Another fucking wanker, minus the bad haircut.

If Frazier saw Oswald leave and get into a car, why didn’t he tell the police at the time or even the Warren Commission? Wasn’t he asked about Oswald during his police questioning? Hard to believe he withheld this information from the police and was not charged with obstructing a police investigation at the very least.

lanceman wrote:If Frazier saw Oswald leave and get into a car, why didn’t he tell the police at the time or even the Warren Commission? Wasn’t he asked about Oswald during his police questioning? Hard to believe he withheld this information from the police and was not charged with obstructing a police investigation at the very least.

If he did say it, he was made to unsay it when they switched to the LN scenario. 

But I don't think he did. This claim first saw the light of day in his book and was all about giving the punters ie the conspiracy tragics - what they want. What is more, I am guessing the idea to do this came from his LN and fake CT minders who are all using this case strictly for personal fame and gain - down to and including selling fake Oswald memorabilia.

greg_parker wrote:

Mick_Purdy wrote:You also refuse to acknowledge the impossibility of his being able to know that Jarman and Norman had re-entered the building had he been on the 6th floor. The one and only place he could have seen that from was the 1st floor. Which is where he placed himself - inside the break room with a perfect view of the loading dock through which they re-entered.


This is the single most powerful proof of Oswald's watertight alibi. Period. And it's buried among parts of the reports which helped shape the official narrative whether we like it or not. It proves beyond a reasonable doubt that Oswald was on the first floor at approximately 12:25pm. It is not ambiguous - it is crystal clear. It cannot be misinterpreted by reasonable, rational, logical thinking people no matter what their pet theories might be. This one piece of exculpatory evidence alone is enough to have this case re investigated in my humble opinion.


For all the bullshit, for all the whacky theories, for all the absolute nonsense and drivel written about Oswald's alleged guilt - here is one irrefutable piece of evidence which destroys the official narrative of Oswald's whereabouts at the time of the assassination.


With or without the Darnell frame PM as Oswald identification this is enough to quash any notion that Oswald was the shooter from the upper floors of the TSBD.

Couldn't agree morte, mate. In any sane society, this would be the catalyst to start to dismantle the official narrative.

But  nothing works like a photo on the lazy minds of the general population of wankers out there.

Agreed. That is the proof of Oswald's innocence, not PM, at least not yet. Ironic how in the past, it was PM that was ignored while the 2nd floor lunch room (fabrication) received much of the focus. Today, it's the Jarman and Norman 1st floor lunch room sighting (as reported by Oswald) that is ignored while PM receives much of the focus. We need to do for the 1st floor lunch room what we've done (Sean, Greg, and Bart primarily) for PM: Make it a top line discussion point.

You lot are slow 
oh and ehm... #payattentionbriandoyle

greg_parker wrote:Another fucking wanker, minus the bad haircut.

I haven't kept a close eye on the 13-Inch 'Ed Forum recently, but a few comments jumped out at me. I noticed one by Little Matty which suggested that David 'shape-shifting lizard people' Icke is some sort of misunderstood genius (https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/28431-david-liftons-latter-day-claims/?do=findComment&comment=482072).

A second clown believes that the Turin Shroud is genuine (and that 9/11 was an inside job, and that Oswald was a pair of doppelgangers).

Clown number three, a follower of the latest fashions in exotic head-wear, has awoken from a period of hibernation and claimed that Oswald had a 13-inch head and sloping shoulders.

A fourth clown is claiming that George Hickey shot JFK by accident, despite the existence of a film showing Hickey not shooting JFK.

Clown number five claims that Prayer Man can't be Oswald because he doesn't want it to be, and all the other evidence in favour of Oswald being on the ground floor doesn't count, and 'conspiracy theorists' are irrational, so he's going to stick his fingers in his ears and chant "la-la-la".

I haven't read every thread, so I may have missed some other clown who claims that Governor Connally turned round and clubbed JFK to death with a frozen chicken he'd hidden in his cowboy hat. That wouldn't be much crazier than some of the stuff on the 'Education' Forum.

Where do they find these people? Is it any wonder that journalists and academics treat the JFK assassination as a joke rather than a serious historical event?

JeremyBojczuk wrote:

greg_parker wrote:Another fucking wanker, minus the bad haircut.

I haven't kept a close eye on the 13-Inch 'Ed Forum recently, but a few comments jumped out at me. I noticed one by Little Matty which suggested that David 'shape-shifting lizard people' Icke is some sort of misunderstood genius (https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/28431-david-liftons-latter-day-claims/?do=findComment&comment=482072).

A second clown believes that the Turin Shroud is genuine (and that 9/11 was an inside job, and that Oswald was a pair of doppelgangers).

Clown number three, a follower of the latest fashions in exotic head-wear, has awoken from a period of hibernation and claimed that Oswald had a 13-inch head and sloping shoulders.

A fourth clown is claiming that George Hickey shot JFK by accident, despite the existence of a film showing Hickey not shooting JFK.

Clown number five claims that Prayer Man can't be Oswald because he doesn't want it to be, and all the other evidence in favour of Oswald being on the ground floor doesn't count, and 'conspiracy theorists' are irrational, so he's going to stick his fingers in his ears and chant "la-la-la".

I haven't read every thread, so I may have missed some other clown who claims that Governor Connally turned round and clubbed JFK to death with a frozen chicken he'd hidden in his cowboy hat. That wouldn't be much crazier than some of the stuff on the 'Education' Forum.

Where do they find these people? Is it any wonder that journalists and academics treat the JFK assassination as a joke rather than a serious historical event?

Jeremy, I think it would be a good social experiment for some "unknown" poster to join the EF with a totally new theory, one that is not entirely bonkers, but not far from it either, and to sit back and watch how many express interest in it.

RO:  None of the other actors posited to be "behind" the JFKA had this ability and motive.  Only the CIA with its collaborators in the military, within the executive branch, and on Wall Street had it.

Greg:  On the contrary, the CIA were amateurs at framing patsies compared to Dallas police - who really didn't even need to be drafted before the event to play their part. The alphabet agencies would tag along to save face that the patsy was one of their own bottom-feeders. 

RO:  The corruption and framing ability of the Dallas police is not a point contrary to mine that the CIA and its collaborators planned, executed, and covered up the murder.  Different functions, different layers of the job. 
 
Johnson played an important role in convincing JFK to go the Texas, though Kennedy expected he needed to hold on to Texas in the '64 election.  Dallas, with their corrupt police, and Cabell as mayor, was the perfect location for the murder.  You're right, they didn't need to be drafted for the plan.   They didn't have to know anything beforehand. Just business as usual for them. 
 

The Dallas police had an important role to play in the coverup, but they didn't decide to murder JFK.  Who did?  

I've reached the conclusion that Oswald was thrown at the DPD. And by that I mean evidence was planted and laid bare in front of their noses by people who had a very good understanding of how the corrupt Dallas Police force operated. Dallas natives, who knew the way things rolled. Everything about the unfolding chain of events with regards to the DPD and nailing Oswald was just a bit too smug, a little too easy. Oswald as the prime suspect by no later than - what? - 4.00pm -less than 4 hours after the crime of the century on that Friday afternoon - Give us a break! Dallas was the perfect place to assassinate Kennedy, and it was the perfect location to throw someone like Oswald to the wolves.

In addition to the DPD there was also DA Henry Wade. A guy who believed in conviction at all costs. Responsible for convicting many innocent people.

JeremyBojczuk wrote:

greg_parker wrote:Another fucking wanker, minus the bad haircut.

I haven't kept a close eye on the 13-Inch 'Ed Forum recently, but a few comments jumped out at me. I noticed one by Little Matty which suggested that David 'shape-shifting lizard people' Icke is some sort of misunderstood genius (https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/28431-david-liftons-latter-day-claims/?do=findComment&comment=482072).

A second clown believes that the Turin Shroud is genuine (and that 9/11 was an inside job, and that Oswald was a pair of doppelgangers).

Clown number three, a follower of the latest fashions in exotic head-wear, has awoken from a period of hibernation and claimed that Oswald had a 13-inch head and sloping shoulders.

A fourth clown is claiming that George Hickey shot JFK by accident, despite the existence of a film showing Hickey not shooting JFK.

Clown number five claims that Prayer Man can't be Oswald because he doesn't want it to be, and all the other evidence in favour of Oswald being on the ground floor doesn't count, and 'conspiracy theorists' are irrational, so he's going to stick his fingers in his ears and chant "la-la-la".

I haven't read every thread, so I may have missed some other clown who claims that Governor Connally turned round and clubbed JFK to death with a frozen chicken he'd hidden in his cowboy hat. That wouldn't be much crazier than some of the stuff on the 'Education' Forum.

Where do they find these people? Is it any wonder that journalists and academics treat the JFK assassination as a joke rather than a serious historical event?

So many clowns there. Almost like a circus.

The lying piece of shit AKA Brian has clearly ran from his previous absolute correct determination that PM was a male with a dark receding hairline with a side part. The lying piece of shit Brian has failed to mention he joined the DPF as a corpse. His own dead father in fact. The lying piece of shit will soon try to join a forum as Evelyn Doyle. Be warned.

steely_dan wrote:The lying piece of shit AKA Brian has clearly ran from his previous absolute correct determination that PM was a male with a dark receding hairline with a side part. The lying piece of shit Brian has failed to mention he joined the DPF as a corpse. His own dead father in fact. The lying piece of shit will soon try to join a forum as Evelyn Doyle. Be warned.

You'll see. You all see. Brian couldn't even hurt a fly.

He who assigns percentage certainties for himself and deigns to do the same for others (latest algorithmic subroutine yields 83% for Roger!) has for the sake of argument adopted "the PM theory at face value" followed by no less than 23 bullet points outlining why the complexity flowing out of this assumption inundates the landscape with logical fallacy beyond all human capacity to reconcile. This has been met with a LN chorus of accolades for his having annihilated PM theory as surely as Copernicus annihilated Ptolemaic absurdity through Heliocentric truth.

This amazingly comprehensive list of 23 points covers in minute detail the entire timeline from months prior to the assassination all the way through the Tippet murder and on to the hours after Oswald's arrest. Nothing is left out, except of course one minor (actually monster) thing. Allow me to add one bullet point:

Bullet point number 24: Oswald sights Norman and Jarman from the 1st floor lunch room, which is timestamped at 12:25 PM; after the motorcade is scheduled to arrive.

And so bullet points 1 through 23 go POOF. The algorithm ticks back to 99.9% certainty and the complexity is as irrelevant as it would be were PM to be identified as Oswald.

Bullet point number 24: Oswald sights Norman and Jarman from the 1st floor lunch room, which is timestamped at 12:25 PM; after the motorcade is scheduled to arrive.


And that my dear friends is what's commonly referred to as checkmate!

Jake_Sykes wrote:He who assigns percentage certainties for himself and deigns to do the same for others (latest algorithmic subroutine yields 83% for Roger!) has for the sake of argument adopted "the PM theory at face value" followed by no less than 23 bullet points outlining why the complexity flowing out of this assumption inundates the landscape with logical fallacy beyond all human capacity to reconcile. This has been met with a LN chorus of accolades for his having annihilated PM theory as surely as Copernicus annihilated Ptolemaic absurdity through Heliocentric truth.

This amazingly comprehensive list of 23 points covers in minute detail the entire timeline from months prior to the assassination all the way through the Tippet murder and on to the hours after Oswald's arrest. Nothing is left out, except of course one minor (actually monster) thing. Allow me to add one bullet point:

Bullet point number 24: Oswald sights Norman and Jarman from the 1st floor lunch room, which is timestamped at 12:25 PM; after the motorcade is scheduled to arrive.

And so bullet points 1 through 23 go POOF. The algorithm ticks back to 99.9% certainty and the complexity is as irrelevant as it would be were PM to be identified as Oswald.

Amazing isn't it, how a civil lawyer, a fast-food manager, a gender fluid Canadian who continually forgets the spelling of its name, and a man whose forefathers were named after their fish-egg sized gonads, do not comprehend that a validated, time-stamped alibi trumps their go-to "evidence file" every single time. 

Not the outcome I was hoping for. I am genuinely disappointed that this is where Lance is at.

Sandy Larsen wrote:

13 hours ago, Tom Gram said:

  17 hours ago, Lance Payette said:
YOU HAVE NOT, AND YOU CANNOT, ARTICULATE A RATIONAL REASON OSWALD WOULD HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO BE IN THE LUNCH ROOM OR ON TSBD STEPS DURING THE ASSASSINATION.

  13 hours ago, Tom Gram said:
I can’t speak for Greg, but he did address this issue.

 
I explained it too. I think I was the first to explain it.
Maybe Lance has me on ignore.

Or maybe you're just mistaken.

I don't why it is important to you. It is just a deduction, not some ground-breaking piece of research, but fwiw, I posted my reply to Lance at 4:46 pm on Saturday, Jan 7 my time. That would be 5:46 am Saturday Jan 7 in Merry Olde England. 

You posted your solution (which included the preposterous idea that Oswald was involved but had accomplices), on Sunday, 12:54 am, Jan 8 in Merry Olde England.

You have possibly confused yourself with 3 different time zones, or maybe just don't know the different time zones involved. Your own time zone is immaterial since the 13 Inch Head Forum works on London time.

Every time the shadow of the illustrious Professor's 13 inch hat darkens a Prayerman related thread I cringe inwardly. 

Reading solid reality based research after it's been filtered through Professor Sanfords sieve like uber conspiratorial bird brain, he makes  it sound as if it's been trampled by a  herd of rampaging Larrytrotters, he somehow manages to fuck it up completely and( almost)reduces it bog standard conspiratorial taradiddle. 

He's obviously been taking lessons from Don Jeffries on the " moderation "( wink wink) front. Barely even bothering to hide his bias,  in fact it shines out, like the bright new moderators badge,  stuck to the brim of his 13 inch hat,  or the radioactive glow from Eddie Pipers bald spot,  after returning from sniper practice on the little green conspirators mothership ( a la Dickie Gilbride)

Berating both Lance P( who has regressed back further,  his petulant outbursts now resemble a spoilt 8 year old throwing a strop) and the 13 inch head forums resident waterpistol champion,  6 gun Stevie Roe, for stating the obvious. Namely the H and L crew are nothing but a shoddy cult, whose few remaining members habitually misrepresent their " evidence "

Threatening to report them.

In response to Fezzo the Fezs typically hysterical hissy fit,  shrieking about COINTELPRO and $100 stipends ( whatever your opinion of the US intelligence " community " can you imagine some sinister official,  in a dim office,  deep in the bowels of the Pentagon,  ordering a counterintelligence taskforce to monitor the incoherent ravings of an angry doppelganger obsessed man in a battered red fez? TNO ONE could possibly be that stupid  or that desperate. Yet another manifestation  of the arrogance and self righteousness which so often  characterizes self styled  conspirocrats. ) Pretty much accusing them of being paid to subvert his " work" and spread disinformation-

The ranting of a fantasist/ cult member with SEVERE delusions of grandeur- the sagelike Professor Sanford merely issued a mild ejaculation of rebuke. Commenting( in the process upholding the fair and even handed moderation policies that have made the " Education Forum " a byword for serious unbiased research) how poor old maligned Fezzo,  doughty warrior for doppelgangers and troof that he is, was only defending himself. 

Fezzos ( to be fair he's not the only one) SOP , claiming anything- document, photo,  film or even fucking person- that doesn't fit into his various fantasy scenarios is " fake" is tantamount to cheating. It's an all purpose intellectual escape hatch for those too lazy, stupid or mesmerized by snake oil peddlers to do any actual real work. 

To see Fezzo deferred to,  as if he's some kind of authority,  is pretty distressing. On many levels. Putting it bluntly his work, especially related to the H and L fantasy,  may well be the virtual epitome of psuedoscholarship. Their approach: using lies to prop up their , ahem, theories,  is every bit as fallacious and dishonest as the methods deployed to prop up the worm eaten granddaddy of Great Lies...the WCR itself...

Replacing one large,  practically unreadable book of lies with another is not my idea of progress..

Obviously Lance P was just blowing smoke, as soon as he is challenged his mask slips, revealing the unreconstructed ideologue lurking beneath.  His shrill histrionics just make him look absurd,  providing a rich seam of pure untapped 24 carat unintentional comedy gold...

He and Dickie G should form a vaudeville/ stand up act...Close Encounters meets the Odd Couple..

They'd go down a storm on the MUFON circuit..

Priceless comment by Professor Larsen:

We should not be associating with people and groups like Alex Jones. The public's gonna think that we believe crazy bat-sh... conspiracies like these nutballs do!

(https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/28644-jfk-assassination-debate-on-infowars/?do=findComment&comment=486357)

JeremyBojczuk wrote:Priceless comment by Professor Larsen:

We should not be associating with people and groups like Alex Jones. The public's gonna think that we believe crazy bat-sh... conspiracies like these nutballs do!

(https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/28644-jfk-assassination-debate-on-infowars/?do=findComment&comment=486357)

No words.