- trudelle
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hostage-taking at end of Alyea film
Mon 07 Aug 2023, 3:55 am
Does anyone know anything about the incident at the end of Tom Alyea's film where a man appears to take a woman hostage at gunpoint, exit the TSBD into the intersection of Elm and Houston. (https://youtu.be/_eo6PghAH8I?t=1505). Seems very suspicious to me, but I can't find any reference to it anywhere.
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Re: hostage-taking at end of Alyea film
Mon 07 Aug 2023, 5:16 am
It did not appear to me that the film segment was taken at the TSBD. Looks to me like it was a spectator at the Jack Ruby trial that did not pass the security screening, had made some kind of threat or acted in a threatening manner. Admittedly a strange way for a police officer to handle it. It looks like he has a pistol in his right hand. I would have thought she would have been handcuffed.
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Re: hostage-taking at end of Alyea film
Mon 07 Aug 2023, 6:19 am
Interesting! What makes you think the last minute of the film was taken 4 months after the first 25 minutes? What made you think of the Ruby trial? Was there an arrest at the trial?
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Re: hostage-taking at end of Alyea film
Mon 07 Aug 2023, 6:25 am
Never mind, I found references to this online, a court clerk taken hostage during the trial. Thank you!
Re: hostage-taking at end of Alyea film
Mon 07 Aug 2023, 10:52 am
You are correct. Little Lyn was arrested for taking a gun into the court room.lanceman wrote:It did not appear to me that the film segment was taken at the TSBD. Looks to me like it was a spectator at the Jack Ruby trial that did not pass the security screening, had made some kind of threat or acted in a threatening manner. Admittedly a strange way for a police officer to handle it. It looks like he has a pistol in his right hand. I would have thought she would have been handcuffed.
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Re: hostage-taking at end of Alyea film
Mon 07 Aug 2023, 11:24 am
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Re: hostage-taking at end of Alyea film
Mon 07 Aug 2023, 6:03 pm
https://www.nytimes.com/1964/03/07/archives/7-flee-dallas-jail-passing-the-door-of-ruby-courtroom.html
DALLAS, March 6 — Seven prisoners escaped from the Dallas County Jail today, fleeing past the door of the courtroom where Jack L. Ruby is on trial for murder.
One of them carried a pistol carved from soap. Brandishing it, he terrified a striptease dancer who was waiting to testify in Ruby's defense.
The fatal shooting by Ruby of Lee Harvey Oswald, accused assassin of President Kennedy, was seen by millions of television viewers as it occurred last Nov. 24.
When the prisoners escaped today, television cameramen outside the courtroom got pictures of part of the jailbreak. The sequence was viewed later on nationwide television.
Four of tne men were caught shortly after their escape at 3:30 P.M. The three others remained at large. A clerk, Mrs. Ruth Thornton, was held hostage for a time. She was later freed.
Sheriff Bill Decker said the prisoners had escaped from a day room on the sixth floor of the County Courts and Jail Building. Ruby is on trial on the second floor of the building.
The prisoners were serving terms for armed robbery. Commandeering an elevator, they made their way to a jail entrance on the second floor. Snatching keys from a jailer, they fled into the courthouse corridors.
Karin Lynn Bennett, a dancer at one of Ruby's nightclubs, was waiting in the hallway to testify. With her was Mrs. Melvin M. Belli, the wife of the chief defense counsel. The dancer became hysterical when she saw one of the prisoners rush by with the bogus gun.
“He's after me! He's after me!” she screamed. Then she slumped to the floor. Sheriff's deputies revived her.
The sheriff said the artificial weapon had been realistically carved in soap, painted with black shoe polish and held together with syrup. Its barrel was a black pencil.
The first man apprehended, Robert Jenkins, was caught by Leon Davis, a 22‐year‐old messenger for the Columbia Broadcasting System.
Meanwhile, another prisoner, Clarence D. Gregory, had grabbed Edna Biggs, a clerk in the probations department, and held the soap pistol in her ribs. When she wriggled free, she ran into the offices of Judge John Mead with Gregory following her.
Judge Mead's clerk, Mrs. Thornton, was seated at her desk.
“This man came rushing in and said, ‘Show me a way out of here.’ I told him, ‘There's no way out but the window,’” Mrs. Thornton said, continuing:
“He said, ‘No, I'm walking out of here and you're walking with me.’”
Pressing the soap pistol into her back, Gregory forced Mrs. Thornton to walk through the corridor, past photographers and television cameramen who were outside the Ruby courtroom.
It was this portion of the jailbreak that was shown later on television.
At the parking lot, Gregory and Mrs. Thornton were surrounded by sheriff's deputies. The convict was disarmed of his soap pistol by Deputy Charles Player.
The other prisoners escaped in the confusion. HersheIl A. Crocker and Tommy P. Calverly were picked up soon afterward a few blocks from the courthouse. The police were still searching for Billy Ray Brock, Randolph Hudnall and Lennard F. Driggers.
DALLAS, March 6 — Seven prisoners escaped from the Dallas County Jail today, fleeing past the door of the courtroom where Jack L. Ruby is on trial for murder.
One of them carried a pistol carved from soap. Brandishing it, he terrified a striptease dancer who was waiting to testify in Ruby's defense.
The fatal shooting by Ruby of Lee Harvey Oswald, accused assassin of President Kennedy, was seen by millions of television viewers as it occurred last Nov. 24.
When the prisoners escaped today, television cameramen outside the courtroom got pictures of part of the jailbreak. The sequence was viewed later on nationwide television.
Four of tne men were caught shortly after their escape at 3:30 P.M. The three others remained at large. A clerk, Mrs. Ruth Thornton, was held hostage for a time. She was later freed.
Sheriff Bill Decker said the prisoners had escaped from a day room on the sixth floor of the County Courts and Jail Building. Ruby is on trial on the second floor of the building.
The prisoners were serving terms for armed robbery. Commandeering an elevator, they made their way to a jail entrance on the second floor. Snatching keys from a jailer, they fled into the courthouse corridors.
Karin Lynn Bennett, a dancer at one of Ruby's nightclubs, was waiting in the hallway to testify. With her was Mrs. Melvin M. Belli, the wife of the chief defense counsel. The dancer became hysterical when she saw one of the prisoners rush by with the bogus gun.
“He's after me! He's after me!” she screamed. Then she slumped to the floor. Sheriff's deputies revived her.
The sheriff said the artificial weapon had been realistically carved in soap, painted with black shoe polish and held together with syrup. Its barrel was a black pencil.
The first man apprehended, Robert Jenkins, was caught by Leon Davis, a 22‐year‐old messenger for the Columbia Broadcasting System.
Meanwhile, another prisoner, Clarence D. Gregory, had grabbed Edna Biggs, a clerk in the probations department, and held the soap pistol in her ribs. When she wriggled free, she ran into the offices of Judge John Mead with Gregory following her.
Judge Mead's clerk, Mrs. Thornton, was seated at her desk.
“This man came rushing in and said, ‘Show me a way out of here.’ I told him, ‘There's no way out but the window,’” Mrs. Thornton said, continuing:
“He said, ‘No, I'm walking out of here and you're walking with me.’”
Pressing the soap pistol into her back, Gregory forced Mrs. Thornton to walk through the corridor, past photographers and television cameramen who were outside the Ruby courtroom.
It was this portion of the jailbreak that was shown later on television.
At the parking lot, Gregory and Mrs. Thornton were surrounded by sheriff's deputies. The convict was disarmed of his soap pistol by Deputy Charles Player.
The other prisoners escaped in the confusion. HersheIl A. Crocker and Tommy P. Calverly were picked up soon afterward a few blocks from the courthouse. The police were still searching for Billy Ray Brock, Randolph Hudnall and Lennard F. Driggers.
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Re: hostage-taking at end of Alyea film
Tue 08 Aug 2023, 9:09 am
greg_parker wrote:You are correct. Little Lyn was arrested for taking a gun into the court room.lanceman wrote:It did not appear to me that the film segment was taken at the TSBD. Looks to me like it was a spectator at the Jack Ruby trial that did not pass the security screening, had made some kind of threat or acted in a threatening manner. Admittedly a strange way for a police officer to handle it. It looks like he has a pistol in his right hand. I would have thought she would have been handcuffed.
I was accidentally correct. The footage referenced in the original post WAS a hostage taking incident. This happened at Little Lyn’s second appearance at the Ruby trial as a witness. It was at her first appearance that she was arrested for bringing the pistol into the courtroom.
When I first watched the video, I thought the gun looked kind of strange. And I was puzzled that handcuffs weren’t used. Then when you said it was Little Lyn being arrested, I thought that the woman being taken hostage looked kind of middle-aged and “frumpy” to be a stripper. Now it all makes sense.
I wonder why she tried to bring a gun into the court room. Maybe she carried it around in her purse and forgot. It apparently wasn’t being capable of being fired.
[url=http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White Materials/White Assassination Clippings Folders/Ruby/Item 313.pdf]http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20Materials/White%20Assassination%20Clippings%20Folders/Ruby/Item%20313.pdf[/url]
Re: hostage-taking at end of Alyea film
Tue 08 Aug 2023, 10:17 am
Yeah, I didn't look at the clip - just assumed you were describing the Little Lyn incident.lanceman wrote:greg_parker wrote:You are correct. Little Lyn was arrested for taking a gun into the court room.lanceman wrote:It did not appear to me that the film segment was taken at the TSBD. Looks to me like it was a spectator at the Jack Ruby trial that did not pass the security screening, had made some kind of threat or acted in a threatening manner. Admittedly a strange way for a police officer to handle it. It looks like he has a pistol in his right hand. I would have thought she would have been handcuffed.
I was accidentally correct. The footage referenced in the original post WAS a hostage taking incident. This happened at Little Lyn’s second appearance at the Ruby trial as a witness. It was at her first appearance that she was arrested for bringing the pistol into the courtroom.
When I first watched the video, I thought the gun looked kind of strange. And I was puzzled that handcuffs weren’t used. Then when you said it was Little Lyn being arrested, I thought that the woman being taken hostage looked kind of middle-aged and “frumpy” to be a stripper. Now it all makes sense.
I wonder why she tried to bring a gun into the court room. Maybe she carried it around in her purse and forgot. It apparently wasn’t being capable of being fired.
[url=http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White Materials/White Assassination Clippings Folders/Ruby/Item 313.pdf]http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20Materials/White%20Assassination%20Clippings%20Folders/Ruby/Item%20313.pdf[/url]
No, it was no accident that she brought it in. She was genuinely scared for her life. I think she believed certain people might want to stop her talking about the bullshit cover story about needing money.
She lived with her grandmother at one stage. Her grandmother filed a missing persons report on her and in that report, she said Karen always carried around large sums of money...not surprising really. Bruce was a drug dealer and the apartment they had been renting, they actually used as a brothel.
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Re: hostage-taking at end of Alyea film
Tue 08 Aug 2023, 5:45 pm
Bill Alexander carried a gun as well.
It was the rigeur in Fallas then, prolly still is now .
It was the rigeur in Fallas then, prolly still is now .
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