Jim DiEugenio: Prayerman is NOT Sarah Stanton

And the earth isn't as flat as " Sarah Stanton's " chest either....

....hardly earth shattering news to the good folks hereabouts ( and anyone thereabouts with an IQ higher than Pat Speer's dress size) 

But,  it was Jim DiEs references to having signed a NDA agreement that got the antennae on my brand new COVID resistant retro tin foil gasmask and Pickelhauber helmet combo spinning,  like Don Jeffries Pee Wee Hermann bowtie,  and certain other equally floppy  appendages,  after being caught having a crafty wank on the Das Ghoully Gauleiters " Gobblin ' Goebbels " Ghost train...

( You have to be THIS anti semitic to enter)

Although I have profound issues with Jim DiEs methods,  choice of collaborators and ( non) conclusions. Often sounding like he was stuck in a mid 90s timewarp,  unable to free himself from crippling limitations of doctrine and the idiotic LN/ CT dichotomy, ( not  to mention some of his horrific faux pas , attempting to defend the indefensible  and his inability to accept error,  but these are arguments for another time) I don't think someone, in such a relatively elevated position would lie so brazenly and openly. Despite his lack of style and finesse,  his penchant for self promotion and self quoting,  his taste for bulldozers,  with jo reverse gears, when he's in the mood to go demolishing,  his sometimes breathtaking lack of savoir faire and the limitations caused by his stubborn tone deafness and tunnel vision,  ultimately he's on the right side of most issues. 

Right from it's conception the whole Prayerwoman farce has been nothing more than a hapless attempt at running interference. Started as a so called prank it was adopted by a tiny klatch of bitter cranks. Who tried to turn it into a vehicle for their twisted perception of revenge,  oh yes and their  various gripes, slights( real or imagined) agendas,  psychopathologies and through the looking glass fugues and fantasies 

Oswald or not,  trying to claim the controversial Prayerman figure,  who is quite obviously a male, with a dark visibly receding hairline,  wearing a dark shirt, was actually a morbidly obese 300lb grey haired barrel of a woman,  wearing light coloured clothes,  was utterly preposterous. Armchair research at it's very worst 

So much so, it often threatened to bring the whole subject into disrepute.

Maybe I'm mistaking mere shadows for shades from the future,  seeing things which are not there to be seen,  confusing the mind's eye with the eye of the mind, but if Prayerman was just some anonymous passer by, for half a  century a mere shadows breath away from the full, sometimes unforgiving glare of history,  then would there really be a need for NDAs?

Maybe that's just naivety and wishful thinking on my part. Maybe it's purely business related 

Eitherways Prayerman is not just another mirage,  another horrendous ludicrous conspiracy theory. It involves no magic doppelgangers,  mobile photo forgery trucks,  practically every 2nd photo and document to be fake , or a bunch of Dremel drill wielding surgeons to be dangling from plastic trees on the Grassy Knoll,  cackling maniacally...

On the contrary its rooted in reality,  not in the feverish imaginings of a tawdry gaggle of " conspiracy theorists "

Contemporary footage shows a figure who resembles the accused assassin standing in the shadows of the TSBD- incidentally the whole " Times Square of the assassination " argument is yet another red herring. Oswald,  if it was indeed him, could easily have been missed. After all , lurking in the deep shadows for a few seconds,  another unremarkable grunt,  the embodiment of Poe's Man in the Crowd. Prayerman  was hardly drawing attention to  himself.  Some clowns make it sound like  he was doing the Can Can, playing a kazoo or singing the Red Flag with his raised fist clenched while stamping on a portrait of Robert E  Lee. Wilfully or not,  people persist in confusing his imminent notoriety with the drab nondescript character he was at 12 30pm, or thereabouts on 22nd November . Anyway,  I think people's attention just might have been directed elsewhere- footage that corroborated other evidence: documentary,  news reports and witness statements,  incremental in a whole new understanding of the immediate post assassination,  especially with regards to the framing of Oswald 

After decades of flailing around,  being tempted , only to end up getting lost down a succession of blind alleys and dead ends by a seemingly endless conveyor belt of fake witnesses,  false messiahs and their fraudulent bullshit theories,  Prayerman represents a refreshingly simple reinvigorating fresh approach 

Relying upon the facts. Not predetermined conclusions and wish dreams created from the wisps of deeply rooted beliefs and worldviews. 

The 60th anniversary may very well prove to be the last chance to make any real tangible difference.  Before the case slips irrevocably over the horizon and out of living memory. 

Images as distant now as images  of the gilded but long vanished splendour of the antidiluvian Edwardian age were to those waking up on the morning of Friday,  November 22nd 1963.

History as ancient as the shrivelled mummies condemned to an eternity of indignity in a glass case 

There's nothing to lose that hasn't been lost already. 

If it turns out the figure wasn't in fact Oswald,  at the very least Prayerman focused the spotlight on much crucial information,  unearthed by Greg,  Barto, Ed, Stan, Mick and fellow ROKCers , past and present...

Surely that in itself is progress? Far more meaningful than the phlegm hacked up by the conspiracy at all costs brigade

alex_wilson said, quote: 

If it turns out the figure wasn't in fact Oswald,  at the very least Prayerman focused the spotlight on much crucial information,  unearthed by Greg,  Barto, Ed, Stan, Mick and fellow ROKCers , past and present...

Yeah but no ... because the motto of B. Kamps book (intended or not) (to me) is: "Confusing you is the nature of my game."  PMMTAFP is adding to the confusion and division within the CTer community ... that doesn't mean I regard Kamp as a bad actor or mole "sent" to do exact this ... John Armstrong is that sort of guy ... why after all LHO wasn't shouting in the DPD: " I am a patsy. I was out in front of the building during the shooting?" if he was there escapes me ... i

He did tell his interrogators that he was out in front watching the parade. Hosty noted it down. So yes he did tell it.

Yes. After the shooting ...

Karl Kinaski wrote:Yes. After the shooting ...

Would he have told it before the shooting??? What a ridiculous comment.

I have lurked long enough, it is time to get involved a lil' bit.

Kinaski looks like a number one faker here, started his membership here 4 years ago. He ain't posting anywhere and now he comes out of the woodwork and thinks he can trash talk Bart's book. Dude brought nothing to the table at EF or here. Bart's book points to more than 1,200 sources and you have only brought your moronic ramblings forward.

Like that other trash talking clown Doyle.

@Robert Johnson said, quote

Dude (me) brought nothing to the table at EF or here

Realy?

What about that little uppercut for Armstrong/Hargrove?

ON TOPIC
There is one huge flaw in Bart Kamps reasoning. In order to discredit witness statements (which do not fit his scenario) by comparing it and pointing to contratictions he takes all Warren Commission testimonies for untainted. (At least all the testimonies he needs for his scenario)  They are not, as we know from Jean Hill, Victoria Adams etc. To compare tainted Warren Commission testimonies in order to discredit witness who do not fit his scenario in order to make a fuzzy picture more credible is laughable. The core of his scenario (and book) is a fuzzy picture of no forensic value and only good for a Rorschach test  and the scribbel of two well known pathological liars, Fritz and Hosty. Nowhere in the Hosty/Fritz scribble it says: Was out in front during the shooting.  

Meanwhile check this out ... 
 

Oh and Gil Jesus mentioned something we already stated many moons ago but is worth repeating since thicko seems to conveniently forget a thing or two!

Stanton's relatives telling Doyle that the "woman" in Davidson's picture was NOT Stanton.

And they say it at the 21:00 minute mark:

The whole Prayerwoman  debacle started as a " prank" before rapidly descending downhill,  landing,  scoop necked dress,  invisible titties and magically enhanced hair first in the rancid unsanitary mire of crankdom and out and out charlatanism. 

I don't always agree with Gil, but to his credit he doesn't expect you to always agree with him,  however,  on this particular occasion he's playing an absolute blinder. 

By posting actual evidence: evidence that can actually be verified and,  dare I say,  falsified and peer reviewed,  he brutally exposes our Brian's reliance on unsubstantiated, uncorroborated assertions and abusive waffle..

Mr Top Voice on Prayerman,  who is over on the fOO comparing himself and fellow brother in the Guild of Rotting Teeth and Chronic Halitosis,  with Jesus Christ. 

If you can believe it 

If anything the peer review Greg obtained was far too generous. Not only did he brazenly hijack Linda Zambaninis hard work ( undaunted he was over on the fOO yapping away about Gilbride not giving him credit,  eh,  Brian,  give a poor trollish booby a break and point out all the times youve credited Ms Zambanini for her work) he contaminated their memories to such an extent,  he's rendered them less than worthless as witnesses 

Even though their witnessing mostly compromises of 2nd and 3rd hearsay. Any half way competent interviewer, appraised of a possible English as a second language issue would have been careful to provide a translator,  or at the very least,  some way to negate any putative translation problems. 

As for the interview itself?

It's like listening to a spoof, parodying irresponsible " conspiracy theorists "

P.S welcome Robert Johnson!! Kudos for have the tenacity and the stamina, and for braving the stench of  eggy halitosis breath mixed with bullshit.  Keep  combatting the lies and charlatanism over on acjfk

His own interview with Stanton's relatives contradicts his claims. Yet he just doubled down on it. Same when Duncan admitted his Prayer Woman image was a prank. He still believes it is real despite Duncan's confession. How on earth can you reason with someone like that?

You cannot Vinny, best to avoid toxic people like Brian Doyle.
TOXIC!!!

alex_wilson wrote:P.S welcome Robert Johnson!! Kudos for have the tenacity and the stamina, and for braving the stench of  eggy halitosis breath mixed with bullshit.  Keep  combatting the lies and charlatanism over on acjfk

Thanks much Mr Wilson, I am a great admirer of your proza and you have livened the place up with your threads, I reckon the Education Forum would love or hate you (the latter more than the former I think) if you were to speak like that over there. They cannot handle a nouveau approach like that.

And Brian Doyle, that uber LIAR, cannot get enough abuse from me. He sure as heck is a glutton for it and he deserves every letter of abuse.

Thanks for your kind words Robert. I greatly appreciate you taking the time to expose Doyle's blatant charlatanism. 

Brian's latest discovery may well prove to be his most profound and lasting. Worthy of an equation. 

Apparently Sarah Stanton having white hair in both the family snapshot and the Owen's footage proves her hair showed up dark in the Prayerman footage. 

Baring in mind I am so mathematics what Dick Gilbride is to dental hygiene and Brian is to testicular topiary ( YOU try galloping around with an eye full of untamed unicorn ball fuzz) here we go( Einstein,  Larsen and Butler eat your hearts out):

W + W = G 

Not even Cyrano himself could come up with a cutting riposte worthy of timeless metaphysical gems such as " couldn't prove white hair shows up as white" 

Once you have decided to abandon all sense of logic, rationality and self respect your only limitations are the boundaries of your imagination and conscience....

Robert Johnson wrote:

alex_wilson wrote:P.S welcome Robert Johnson!! Kudos for have the tenacity and the stamina, and for braving the stench of  eggy halitosis breath mixed with bullshit.  Keep  combatting the lies and charlatanism over on acjfk

Thanks much Mr Wilson, I am a great admirer of your proza and you have livened the place up with your threads, I reckon the Education Forum would love or hate you (the latter more than the former I think) if you were to speak like that over there. They cannot handle a nouveau approach like that.

And Brian Doyle, that uber LIAR, cannot get enough abuse from me. He sure as heck is a glutton for it and he deserves every letter of abuse.

You're white????? How very disappointing. Do you even play guitar?

I was kinda hoping Brian might fixate on you as his guitar hero. 

But then, you haven't been "murdered".  And as I now note, you're godamn lily white!

Admiration for Brian is universal. 

"It's not about if you are right or wrong, it's about how you and others are endlessly trying to tell the rest of us what to believe. Brian Doyle syndrome right there"
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/jimi-hendrix-general-discussion-thread.1097141/page-142

Are you sure you're not GORDON Johnson?

"Just the other day some guy named Brian Doyle posted a real hatred response to the official facts on the death of Jimi Hendrix"
https://www.strat-talk.com/threads/can-you-handle-the-truth.450522/page-3
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"Here are the lying words from Brian Doyle aka Buster, a trolling hoaxing clown who makes up fake claims of phony wine and invents an imaginary “forensic clock” for his hoax as he distorts the real record, but is totally clueless about what a 3.9 mg reading represents. Clowns like this always debunk their own hoax and this joker sure has done his fair share of that."
https://thevelvetrocket.com/2010/10/03/jimi-hendrix-murdered/

Columbo had hunch B.Doyle was hiding something with Hendrix thing. What if this was the psychic thing, unrelated to other perp? Had to shake tree here. Dialogue with Doyle was bullshit anyone who lived in Rockland a while could concoct. Doyle is simply a disturbed child.
https://jormakaukonen.com/blog/2021/46-the-river-flows/

Brian Doyle  aka The Rock and Roll Marshall ( sic)

I'm sure Jorma, Jack Casady and most particularly Grace Slick are individually and collectively overjoyed our Brian chose them to be one of the main focuses of his unique blend of unnatural stalkerish obsession,  surveillance ( on both the psychic and the physical planes) and suffocating tweenager like uber fandom...

However,  in our Brian's defence, many of the other contributors were hardly what you could call " stable...

To Erect and Perve- the True Adventures of THE Rock and Roll Marshall (sic) 

Need a unresolved rock and roll related " murder " solving?

Need a pair of invisible titties a fondlin'?

Having trouble with 300lb grey haired Dallas housewives cum Skinwalkers? 

Do YOU keep turning into a 300lb plus morbidly obese grey haired woman at the most inopportune moments?

Do you have a few dollars to spare? To help fund a landmark legal action? Suing a degenerate British bastard for the heinous crime of denying credible evidence?

Are YOU worried about being sedated then drowned by a murderous intel spook hit team? By having 6 bottles of wine poured down your unconscious throat while your MK Ultraed spook " girlfriend " sneaks off back to her controllers?

Don't delay!! We can help!!

Contact the Rock and Roll Marshall ( sic) at Bellevue Occupational Therapy Unit,  or if it's outside working hours ( sic) contact Dead Eye Dick's Housepainters and Lay Preachers " The LORD will not forgive your poor choice of undercoat on the JUDGEMENT Day " ( Apocryphal Gospels of Thaddeus of Turps,  Verse 1 Chapter 6)

An early contender for this season's Trollpunkomime,  or perhaps even a Halloween Special,  The Rock and Roll Marshall and Deadeye Dick go searching for the ghost of Champion the Wonder Horse