Fetzer On Dieugenio

dwdunn(akaDan) wrote:One of the more pleasant aspects of reading the writings of bigots is recognizing how much of a confused kaleidoscope their minds must be. Fox cites an article which to most ordinary minds will probably encourage a more favorable impression of Lyndon Johnson; but since Fox wants to emphasize the Big Jew Threat, he apparently thinks such an article helps his case. And even though Jim DiEugenio has provided a good deal of information showing how even-handed and maybe even to some extent pro-Arab John Kennedy's foreign policy was, it's DiEugenio that he and Fetzer are attempting to smear.....as tainted by ADL, Jews, etc etc influences. Which only proves yet again that writing bullshit is really easy when you can just pull stuff out of your butt.

Yeah, this is of course on the par with calling him a CIA agent [sic!].  Interestingly, I recently read:

http://mjayrosenberg.com/2013/11/15/jfk-was-first-last-president-to-oppose-israeli-nuclear-development/

which was forwarded to me by Jim, obviously in an attempt to downplay the antagonism between JFK and the Israeli hard-liners   



Speaking of which, Fetzer himself "raises questions" about Jim for being on "the wrong side" of debates involving: Judyth Vary Baker (discredited); CIA personnel being at the Ambassador Hotel the night Robert Kennedy was shot (discredited); Peter Janney (deserves to be discredited). In light of the fact that Jim's recent review of Shenon's book alone is something like ten times more worthwhile reading than anything Fetzer & Co. are presenting, this latest attempted smear probably deserves to be ignored were it not for the importance of the subject(s) and the appalling road Fetzer is walking down.

This is what I was referring to in terms of "discernment".  I was first attracted to CTKA over other JFK sites because I saw there the eyes, ears and pen of someone who refuses to surrender his critical faculties just in order to hop on the latest bandwagon.

JFK Student wrote:Fetzer needs to grow up I guess.

Andrea Skolnik wrote:
The recent blow up over at Educational was absurd and surreal and a waste of everyones time and threatens to derail and discount years of valuable work that was done there.

Pat Speer wrote:It says a lot about Pat Speer that when I told John where he could stick his membership, Speer rushed to his defense and criticized me.

Hasan Yusuf wrote:

Pat Speer wrote:It says a lot about Pat Speer that when I told John where he could stick his membership, Speer rushed to his defense and criticized me.

Speer is probably the biggest arse licker on the Ed forum. After reading the way he stood up for Lifton when Lifton was being a complete dickhead, my respect for him went down hill.

Lee Farley wrote:The offending posts by Reitzes have now been erased from existence as well.

Another demonstration of John Simkin's love of democracy and free speech.  Whilst I assume that Reitzes was only asking the questions to stir up some shit it only goes to show that the answers were far worse so best to pretend that nobody had asked anything.

Idiots...

Martin Hay wrote:Speer does good research for the most part but he has a massive ego and has adopted a very patronising tone over the years - like he's solved the case and he's the only one who gets it. Which makes it very hard to respect the guy.


Lifton is scum. He is a spreader of blatant disinformation and his bizarre and ludicrous fantasies have helped destroy any chance of us figuring this thing out.

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you wrote above, Martin.

Because of his bullshit theories, and those of his acolyte Doug Horne, sensible conversation about the medical issues is becoming increasingly rare.

I tend to keep away from the medical evidence these days. That's not to say that I don't think it's important to keep researching it, just that's it too controversial, and I doubt that whatever I say will be accepted by too many people.

Martin Hay wrote:

Lee Farley wrote:The offending posts by Reitzes have now been erased from existence as well.

Another demonstration of John Simkin's love of democracy and free speech.  Whilst I assume that Reitzes was only asking the questions to stir up some shit it only goes to show that the answers were far worse so best to pretend that nobody had asked anything.

Idiots...

Wow, that's really messed up.

What can you say about people who continue to support Simkin after this?

Lee Farley wrote:

Martin Hay wrote:

Lee Farley wrote:The offending posts by Reitzes have now been erased from existence as well.

Another demonstration of John Simkin's love of democracy and free speech.  Whilst I assume that Reitzes was only asking the questions to stir up some shit it only goes to show that the answers were far worse so best to pretend that nobody had asked anything.

Idiots...

Wow, that's really messed up.

What can you say about people who continue to support Simkin after this?

Well, the irony here is that Dave Reitzes no longer appears as a member of the Education Forum.  Therefore to answer his question I guess they wiped his membership and all of his posts.  Clever, eh?