Ruth Paine Recalls JFK Assassination

Sat 14 Sep 2013, 7:39 pm

Santa Rosa Woman Recalls John F. Kennedy's Killer.

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20130910/articles/130919956#page=0

Mon 16 Sep 2013, 8:59 am

Perhaps the TV show Storage Wars can film an episode from her garage, on the off chance she might have missed something.

Mon 16 Sep 2013, 9:11 pm

I bet old Paine has a signed confession from poor Oswald floating around somewhere.

Mon 16 Sep 2013, 10:04 pm

Alan Dixon wrote:Perhaps the TV show Storage Wars can film an episode from her garage, on the off chance she might have missed something.

Tue 17 Sep 2013, 1:19 am

Still not too late to water board her, and her spook husband.

Tue 17 Sep 2013, 6:14 am

Perhaps they would care to ask her what she was doing with a set of metal filing cabinets which appeared to contain the names of Cuban sympathisers. I would just love an explanation.

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/walther1.htm

Here's a memo from Arthur Marmor to Norman Redlich concerning Walthers' statements:

http://digitalcollections.baylor.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/po-arm/id/26576/rec/13

Whilst they're at it, perhaps they could ask her why the secret service told Marina Oswald to stay away from her, since they thought she was sympathising with the CIA. I would like to hear Ruthy's explanation.

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/garr/grandjury/Porter/html/Porter_0036a.htm

Wed 18 Sep 2013, 11:03 am

BTW, if you saw the comments in that Santa Maria paper, a man named David Lifton got on, "Lifton from Cornell".

He tried to so the same thing there he did on EF with PJM. "See, Ruth thought Oswald was a commie, because he acted that way with her."

AND HE GOT JUMPED ON!

Yay, yippee!

Someone even then asked, Why aren't Carol Hewitt and JimDiEugenio at this event so they can pepper her with real questions?

Well, we are getting through to some people at least.

Wed 18 Sep 2013, 1:39 pm

James DiEugenio wrote:BTW, if you saw the comments in that Santa Maria paper, a man named David Lifton got on, "Lifton from Cornell".

He tried to so the same thing there he did on EF with PJM. "See, Ruth thought Oswald was a commie, because he acted that way with her."

AND HE GOT JUMPED ON!

Yay, yippee!

Someone even then asked, Why aren't Carol Hewitt and JimDiEugenio at this event so they can pepper her with real questions?

Well, we are getting through to some people at least.

Wed 18 Sep 2013, 3:59 pm

Oh, Steven Duffy wrote that comment. He's a member here, and.... he made this handy little index for the assassination. Smile

http://jfkassassinationlegacy.blogspot.co.nz/

Fri 29 Aug 2014, 5:15 am

I came across some interesting information on Mrs. Paine I hope will be new for some. While some attempt to disregard that she might have connections to the CIA, I found her older sister Slyvia Hyde Hoke's CIA Security file and that her father was considered for CIA covert status. So Ruth was possibly not in the Agency but her immediate family was connected by evidence.

Sylvia Hyde Hoke Security File

William Hyde Avery

Fri 29 Aug 2014, 8:55 pm

Hasan Yusuf wrote:Perhaps they would care to ask her what she was doing with a set of metal filing cabinets which appeared to contain the names of Cuban sympathisers. I would just love an explanation.

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/walther1.htm

Here's a memo from Arthur Marmor to Norman Redlich concerning Walthers' statements:

http://digitalcollections.baylor.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/po-arm/id/26576/rec/13

Whilst they're at it, perhaps they could ask her why the secret service told Marina Oswald to stay away from her, since they thought she was sympathising with the CIA. I would like to hear Ruthy's explanation.

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/garr/grandjury/Porter/html/Porter_0036a.htm

Hm. Why do you assume that said metal filing cabinets belonged to Ruth Paine? Far more likely they belonged to Oswald, isn't it? After all, that was Oswald's stock in trade, wasn't it? Tagging Cuban sympathizers? That's the only reason he'd be hanging out with the likes of Guy Banister, isn't it?

Figure that this is really the only thing Oswald knows how to do - it's his only "life skill". It's what he's been doing ever since he's been very young.

Turns out, Jack Ruby has a history as a communist provocateur too. He was apparently organizing communist cells in the late 40's in Chicago, as witnessed by Fehrenbach. And, Jack Ruby also smuggled weapons to Castro in 1958-59 time frame, and maybe before that.

Is is possible Jack Ruby somehow "got on Oswald's radar screen"?

Fri 29 Aug 2014, 9:00 pm

Carmine Savastano wrote:I came across some interesting information on Mrs. Paine I hope will be new for some. While some attempt to disregard that she might have connections to the CIA, I found her older sister Slyvia Hyde Hoke's CIA Security file and that her father was considered for CIA covert status. So Ruth was possibly not in the Agency but her immediate family was connected by evidence.

Sylvia Hyde Hoke Security File

William Hyde Avery

So?

Everyone and their brother had "CIA covert status".

They even gave Johnny Roselli a uniform and a rank.

Yuk. Smile

My question is: what happened to the filing cabinets? I don't suppose we have a list of what was in them? I don't suppose there's any possibility there could have been some relationship to Guy Banister's files?

What if Oswald is specifically looking for Castro's agents? Wouldn't this explain a lot of the oddball things we find Oswald "allegedly" involved in? (Even that bit where someone swears they saw Oswald in the NOLA INS detention center, posing as a Cuban refugee)?

Sat 30 Aug 2014, 3:15 am

http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?topic=3094.5;wap2
i think Talbot Bielefeldt is link between Paines and LHO

Sat 30 Aug 2014, 6:25 am

gerrrycam wrote:http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?topic=3094.5;wap2
i think Talbot Bielefeldt is link between Paines and LHO

Gerry,

there is a more direct link between Hydes and LHO - Edwin Ekdahl.

All laid out in my book, but basically, I show that Ekdahl was very likely a supporter of Norman Thomas and was living in NY at the same times as William Hyde was taking Ruth to Thomas rallies. Moreover, both Ekdahl and his sister were supporters of the co-operative movement same as the Hydes. His sister even wrote a book on the subject.

I also show a link between the Straus family which built and funded Youth House in NYC, 2 CIA officers and the Paine family - with one member of the Straus family being on Naushuon Island when Ruth swung by there on her way to pick up Marina in NO.

Sat 30 Aug 2014, 11:12 am

nonsqtr wrote:

Carmine Savastano wrote:I came across some interesting information on Mrs. Paine I hope will be new for some. While some attempt to disregard that she might have connections to the CIA, I found her older sister Slyvia Hyde Hoke's CIA Security file and that her father was considered for CIA covert status. So Ruth was possibly not in the Agency but her immediate family was connected by evidence.

Sylvia Hyde Hoke Security File

William Hyde Avery

So?

Everyone and their brother had "CIA covert status".

They even gave Johnny Roselli a uniform and a rank.

Yuk.

My question is: what happened to the filing cabinets? I don't suppose we have a list of what was in them? I don't suppose there's any possibility there could have been some relationship to Guy Banister's files?

What if Oswald is specifically looking for Castro's agents? Wouldn't this explain a lot of the oddball things we find Oswald "allegedly" involved in? (Even that bit where someone swears they saw Oswald in the NOLA INS detention center, posing as a Cuban refugee)?

They even gave Johnny Roselli a uniform and a rank.

Yes, Brian, they did. They used used psychology on individuals to get what they wanted from them. In Roselli's case, they played to his ego and patriotism.

My question is: what happened to the filing cabinets? I don't suppose we have a list of what was in them?

Everyone and their bother had filing cabinets full of files on groups and individuals of certain types and persuasions. Except those who didn't. They were the ones in the cabinet.

Everyone and their brother was infiltrating and recording and playing James Bond. Or else just solved the world's problems during local neighborhood koffee klatches.

In fact, there were only two types of people in the world back then: you were either a "Harvey" or you were a "Lee".

No. Sorry. That's not right. The two types were those who believed their were two types of people in the world and those who didn't.

You wore a black hat or a white hat.

You sat in the back of the bus or you sat in the front. The midsection was apparently reserved for UN peace-keepers. Bloody foreigners!

You sang "We Shall Overcome!" or "Yankee Doodle Dandy!"

This particular filing cabinet allegedly had names of Castro symps. Can't remember where that originated, the trustworthiness of the originator, or what became of the cabinet itself.

Sat 30 Aug 2014, 2:56 pm

Greg, Talbot Bielefeldt and Boris Pash had USSR oversight jobs along with William Hyde all 3 where born about same time in SF area and all 3 graduated from Stanford University
I think the big ? is why did LHO need a babysitter?

Sat 30 Aug 2014, 4:02 pm

Wasn't Buddy Walther's the source?...

Sun 31 Aug 2014, 2:56 am

When Ruth Paine speaks about the Kennedy case she displays some of the most incriminating body language I have ever seen. Talk about shifty eyes. Of course I realize that's not hard proof of anything but it sure is another straw on the camels broken back.

Sun 31 Aug 2014, 3:09 am

Heard Jim D. on black op radio a few weeks ago talk about the file cabinets the Paines had that were filled with info on local commies and Castro sympathizers.

Now that's damming info. The Paines were doing in Dallas what Banister was doing in New Orleans it seems.

Sun 31 Aug 2014, 4:11 am

MovingMan wrote:Heard Jim D. on black op radio a few weeks ago talk about the file cabinets the Paines had that were filled with info on local commies and Castro sympathizers.

Now that's damming info. The Paines were doing in Dallas what Banister was doing in New Orleans it seems.

Again: how do we know the filing cabinets belonged to the Paines?

It is far more likely they belonged to Oswald.

What evidence is there specifically that those filing cabinets belonged to the Paines and not to Oswald?

Sun 31 Aug 2014, 8:52 am

nonsqtr wrote:

MovingMan wrote:Heard Jim D. on black op radio a few weeks ago talk about the file cabinets the Paines had that were filled with info on local commies and Castro sympathizers.

Now that's damming info. The Paines were doing in Dallas what Banister was doing in New Orleans it seems.

Again: how do we know the filing cabinets belonged to the Paines?

It is far more likely they belonged to Oswald.

What evidence is there specifically that those filing cabinets belonged to the Paines and not to Oswald?

Agreed there is a need to establish ownership.

Sun 31 Aug 2014, 9:01 am

Non,

An interesting point. Indeed as M. Man stated we should establish ownership, yet if they did belong to Oswald it may explain his constant attempts to join diametrically opposed groups.

Sun 31 Aug 2014, 9:55 am

Carmine Savastano wrote:Non,

An interesting point. Indeed as M. Man stated we should establish ownership, yet if they did belong to Oswald it may explain his constant attempts to join diametrically opposed groups.

Okay, I've done some digging: The original claim was contained in Decker exhibit 5323 ... metal file cabinet containing what appears to be names and activities of Castro sympathizers. It does not say where it was found or who owned it.
https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=1136&relPageId=538

Stoval Exhibit A shows two metal boxes taken from Paine home containing youth pictures, literature and letters.

Stoval would testify that these came out of Ruth Paine's bedroom.

The WC handled this dilemma in the "rumors and speculation" part of the report. They handled it by claiming that no metal file cabinet containing names of pro-Castro symps had been found at his rooming house and the the metal file boxes found at the Paines contained youth photos and literature and none of the material speculated about elsewhere and that they belonged to Ruth Paine.
https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=74090 . In short, the commission chose to ignore what was in the Decker exhibit - they didn't even ask him about it during his testimony (unless I missed it somehow)

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I know some of you will choose to believe that the material belonged to Oswald and that they covered up by claiming it was Ruth's.

But the fact is, if these boxes were in Ruth's room, they had no reason to take them as evidence if all they contained was old photos of kids, letters etc. But they would have reason to take them if they contained intelligence material. They would also later have to say it was something far more innocent.

Mike Paine had been infiltrating right and left wing groups from the start of his separation from his wife. Anything Oswald did along the same lines was at the suggestion of Mike Paine.

Sun 31 Aug 2014, 10:14 am

Why would Oswald keep confidential material at the Paines. One visit per week, to fill his secret filing cabinets! With photo's nobody has ever seen from his minox spy camera. Shite is shite and this aint parma violets.

Sun 31 Aug 2014, 12:10 pm

Greg,

Mike Paine's influence and the evidence of he and Oswald's activities would indeed be more compelling in my view. I actually have never heard of the filing cabinet ideas before this thread having not concentrated much on the Paine family. Just wanted to offer the CIA information about her sister and father I came across file diving for those who do.

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You ain't gonna know what you learn if you knew it.......

Checkmate.

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