what we are witnessing...

First topic message reminder :

I know the claims have been made for a very long time that witness testimony has been changed/suborned. But I honestly don't believe the case for that has ever been all that strong. Suspicion isn't evidence.

I think what we have witnessed 

here
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20354&page=1

here
https://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t34-was-eddie-piper-on-the-6th-floor

here
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17269

& here
https://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t453-the-rearranged-boxes

to give just some examples, changes all that and is the bones and meat of a prima facie case that Oswald's alibi would not be permitted to stand, and wherever possible, the real story would be turned into a variation on the truth, but leaning towards his guilt.

There is, imo, no longer any justification for defending the WC findings or its methodology.

These threads, among others, contain the real story, or very close to it, about what happened just prior, during and just after the assassination.

The pity is that this story will remain buried in forums. They have no real impact on how the history is written.

It is a large part of my frustration.

greg parker wrote:Your comparison Tom, reminds me of an old English TV comedy series about two tailors who tried to sell their suits with the catch-phrase "never mind the quality - feel the width!" In fact, I think that was also the name of the show...

REOPENKENNEDYCASE: The Home of Quality!

Lol! Which one's the ex, Stan!

... Oh Atticus! ...

Stan Dane wrote:

Stan,

hold fire on any more of these. Not because I don't like or appreciate them. Quite the opposite. I would like to move them to a dedicated page on my main site, if it's okay with you. May take a little time,  though...

I think that would work much better. They would be fixed in place and all in the one location. Used and promoted properly, they could be very effective in showing how fundamentally flawed, and in some cases corrupt, the official version of history is.

Stan Dane wrote:No problem. Do whatever you like with them. I did have fun putting these together; an idea comes to me and, boom, I start shooting. Once and awhile I would even hit the target! But I don't want it to get old either, and I was starting to think maybe it was. So enough fun and games for now.

Waiting to read that book of yours!

I just think they warrant preserving. If they are all together and people start going through them, they can have a huge impact. Little lights clicking on everywhere - picture and humor - that's a powerful combination. 

The book shouldn't be much longer, Stan. Maybe a month or so.

Traveller11 wrote:Hi Tom

I was attempting to point out to Mr. Simkin something that I and other members have felt frustrated with for some time now. Mr. Simkin was openminded enough to see the possible positive effects of such a move, and reduced the number of pinned threads by half. I certainly hope this move has the desired effect.

If there's one thing the Censor Lord Johnsimkin is known for, it's open-mindedness.

For instance, a recent quote:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20931 

"Over the last few years my experience of studying the JFK assassination I have come to the conclusion that the so-called JFK research community contains some of the most unpleasant individuals that I have had the misfortune to have come into contact with. It also contains some extremely kind and considerate people, but unfortunately, they are in a small minority." (Lord Johnsimkin)

Typical: now all his little readers get to try to figure out if they are among the privileged few he deems worthy; or are instead consigned to being among the vast majority, "the most unpleasant individuals [he's] had the misfortune to have come into contact with."

Isn't he just pleasant?

We are all entitled to our opinion and, I must say, I, too, have met some unpleasant individuals in the JFK research community.

I have always been treated fairly on the Ed. Forum, and when any of my materiel has been edited by Mr. Simkin (or a moderator), it has been when I got a little hot under the collar in a discussion and violated well established forum rules of conduct in the process of taking some blithering numbskull to task, who often dearly needed taking to task. Nonetheless, rules are rules, and if I do not like the rules, I always have the option of no longer visiting that forum; as do any members.

Ahhhhh grasshopper, you have so much to learn about that of which you speak.

The good news is that another round of hostage negotiations is in the offing:

https://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t646-the-ed-forum-might-close-soon#7237

Another round of begging the Master to see reason and have a heart. Another round of licking His boots and kissing His ass, just so the mighty research and educational endeavo(u)r some of us spent years contributing to will not pass into nothingness.

This will of course drum up renewed interest in His Property, and increase the amount of all-important "activity" there.

Traveller11 wrote:We are all entitled to our opinion and, I must say, I, too, have met some unpleasant individuals in the JFK research community.

I have always been treated fairly on the Ed. Forum, and when any of my materiel has been edited by Mr. Simkin (or a moderator), it has been when I got a little hot under the collar in a discussion and violated well established forum rules of conduct in the process of taking some blithering numbskull to task, who often dearly needed taking to task. Nonetheless, rules are rules, and if I do not like the rules, I always have the option of no longer visiting that forum; as do any members.

Yeah, I saw a few unpleasant individuals coming back home from London on the train last week - they were real fucked up.  

There were a few unsavoury looking characters shouting obscenities at people in a pub I was in on Saturday night.  

I visited a forum about the Playstation 4 and saw mayhem because some people apparently believe the Xbox One is a better console.  

I read a debate between "pro-vaxers" and "anti-vaxers" on the pros and cons of the MMR vaccine recently where one side thinks the other side are morons and vice-versa.  

There will be threats of, and actual cases of, physical violence within the same families tomorrow night in this city after Everton Football Club play Liverpool Football Club in the Premier League.  

I believe Compton in California is a bit rough around the edges as well.

Welcome to earth.

I totally agree with everything Dan has said concerning Simkin's latest set of mind games.  I can only assume the owner of the Education Forum has led a very sheltered life and he should be grateful that the worst people he has ever encountered has been in cyberspace.  Many people are not as lucky as him.  

I don't give a fuck what he does with his forum any more.  

P.S. His long standing moderator Barb Junkkarinen resigned over the Reitzes affair.

Lee Farley wrote:

Traveller11 wrote:We are all entitled to our opinion and, I must say, I, too, have met some unpleasant individuals in the JFK research community.

I have always been treated fairly on the Ed. Forum, and when any of my materiel has been edited by Mr. Simkin (or a moderator), it has been when I got a little hot under the collar in a discussion and violated well established forum rules of conduct in the process of taking some blithering numbskull to task, who often dearly needed taking to task. Nonetheless, rules are rules, and if I do not like the rules, I always have the option of no longer visiting that forum; as do any members.

Yeah, I saw a few unpleasant individuals coming back home from London on the train last week - they were real fucked up.  

There were a few unsavoury looking characters shouting obscenities at people in a pub I was in on Saturday night.  

I visited a forum about the Playstation 4 and saw mayhem because some people apparently believe the Xbox One is a better console.  

I read a debate between "pro-vaxers" and "anti-vaxers" on the pros and cons of the MMR vaccine recently where one side thinks the other side are morons and vice-versa.  

There will be threats of, and actual cases of, physical violence within the same families tomorrow night in this city after Everton Football Club play Liverpool Football Club in the Premier League.  

I believe Compton in California is a bit rough around the edges as well.

Welcome to earth.

I totally agree with everything Dan has said concerning Simkin's latest set of mind games.  I can only assume the owner of the Education Forum has led a very sheltered life and he should be grateful that the worst people he has ever encountered has been in cyberspace.  Many people are not as lucky as him.  

I don't give a fuck what he does with his forum any more.  

P.S. His long standing moderator Barb Junkkarinen resigned over the Reitzes affair.

Agree with everything you say, Lee, except for the point about the Derby match.(For the foreigners amongst us - a match between two local teams). Never heard of any violence within family over the match. Fallings out- yes, but violence, no. 

ps.come on the Red men.

I wish my fellow forum members would show as much passion and interest in the two threads I have submitted about the Carcano as they do in how John Simkin runs the Ed. Forum.

Traveller11 wrote:I wish my fellow forum members would show as much passion and interest in the two threads I have submitted about the Carcano as they do in how John Simkin runs the Ed. Forum.

There is interest from people like me - just nothing we can contribute because of lack of knowledge.

I have been reading them all too, Bob.  Same as Greg.  Not enough technical knowledge to add anything.  But every chink in the by now very rusty and battered armor of the official story is certainly worth making!

Different people have passions for different things. Nobody has passion for everything. In fact, I'd bet that most people have room for only one true passion, one area or aspect of the JFK assassination that really gets them so juiced up that they focus mainly on it. This is different from having a strong interest in something.

I'm glad you have a passion for firearms and ballistics, Bob, because I don't. Oh, I find the subject very interesting and important, but I'm not passionate about it. But I'm damn glad you are, because I enjoy reading your work and the contributions you make here.

Other people here have different passions, be they timelines, testimony/affidavit congruity, medical evidence, documentation and photographic records, etc. People tend to be most outspoken in the areas where their passions lie because those are the areas where they can best contribute.

I discovered I have a passion for making hard-hitting meme's that poke holes in the official story. Some like these, but I suspect many could give a rat's hiney. But I do, so I do. Different strokes for different folks.

I appreciate everyone here. I learn so much from you all.

Stan Dane wrote:I appreciate everyone here. I learn so much from you all.

 
I heartily second that!

also from me   
I have been at this forum for 1-2 years and I have learned a h´ll of a lot in this time.
I have read every article here and what is absolutely the best thing about this forum is that even when some of the established members make a mistake they are beeing told that they are wrong right away, this is the true quality of researchers.

I'm glad to hear all of this and I thank you for the encouragement. I'm not one of those people that need a pat on the back every five minutes to keep me going but, every once in a while a preacher likes to know the odd pew is occupied and someone out there is actually listening to his sermon.

Traveller11 wrote:I wish my fellow forum members would show as much passion and interest in the two threads I have submitted about the Carcano as they do in how John Simkin runs the Ed. Forum.

I'm likewise very interested in your presentations, Bob, and read them whenever I can (like most everything else here); but if I have nothing to add, I don't say anything. That's usually the way these things go: if I made presentations about the Robert Kennedy murder, Greg & I might have a discussion on it, but maybe no one else .... because it's just not an area of interest for too many people (I've found). Or they aren't familiar with it and so have nothing to add.

To your main point, though, if you or anyone else states a belief about someone being "open-minded," and I know quite differently, then what kind of bastard would I be if I didn't try to alert you to the inaccuracy of such a belief? Not a good kind of bastard, and that's really what I strive to become -- a good kind of bastard.

I became a member of the Simkin Forum on April 4, 2006. I subsequently made about 520 posts there. This included taking the time and trouble to type out long passages from books by authors like Fedor Dostoevski, Gabriel Garcia-Marquez, William Shirer, Michael Moorcock, among many others. (In the interests of "education," you see) I also confronted issues like antisemitism and bigotry in general as well as taking the trouble to defend Mr. Simkin himself (from public detractors like Don Bohning) and his Forum (from members who seemed intent on being completely disruptive, like those who went on to form the Deep Politics Forum). I also had the chance to debate and question people like Mel Ayton and Dan Moldea. And I've encountered just about every kind of person possible there, including a few that I regard as complete loons. (Doesn't make them bad people necessarily; their minds are just in a different place than most)

About 7 months ago there was a bit of controversy as Mr. Simkin decided to turn Jim DiEugenio and Tom Scully (one of the EF moderators) into "guests" because of their questioning of one of Simkin's friends. Some of us wrote posts very critical of this decision. Martin Hay, for instance, subsequently asked for his membership to be deleted (Simkin responded, "Will do."). Robert Charles-Dunne, after making a typically thorough and fair-minded critique, advised that it would be his last post unless the decision was reversed. And I made a fairly challenging 2nd post on the subject and then removed my avatar (as I intended for it to be my last word at that forum).
Unfortunately, Ray Carroll responded to my post, closing with a quote from a Mafia figure about how "shedding a little blood helps clear the air"; since my own post had closed with mention of the massacre of schoolchildren at Newtown, Connecticut, the implications of Ray's concluding statement seemed just horrible and I wanted to plead with him to clarify that he was not thinking of the Newtown events in making the Mafia quote. When I went to log in, I found I was unable to reply and after checking my profile found I was under a "restriction from posting." Since I was still able to send PMs, I sent one to Gary Loughran, then an Admin, to advise of my new status and to ask him to make the overture to Carroll that I had wanted to make myself (he did so, and Carroll came to his right mind long enough to clarify that Newtown had been the last thing on his mind in making the quote, particularly as he lived only 80 miles from there).

A couple nights later I went back to the forum and found that my posts in the critical thread had disappeared. I looked around a bit and found that I didn't appear to have ANY posts anywhere. Then I checked my profile and found that I had 0 posts. No warning given, no advisement, just summary deletion of all 520 or so posts. Then I came here, in order to advise that people should move quickly if they wanted to retrieve their own posts there (in light of the promised shutdown of EF), and also to brighten Greg's days.

So that's about it, Bob. There are probably many other things that I and others here could tell you about, but for my part I suppose you now gather why I would get a little passionate about the subject of Simkin and "how he runs his forum."

Having said all that, I'll now shut up, Greg. Sorry for stirring the pot again.

Then I came here, in order to advise that people should move quickly if they wanted to retrieve their own posts there (in light of the promised shutdown of EF), and also to brighten Greg's days.

Having said all that, I'll now shut up, Greg. Sorry for stirring the pot again.

Dan,


you do brighten my day (if I haven't made that clear enough in the past). 


All I ask is that we don't swamp the place with posts about other forums. They have said over there that JFK forums are on the way out... that may be so, but we're bucking the trend. I hope it's for all the right reasons...


On the subject of forums - I have never head-hunted anyone to come here - I haven't worried about traffic - the forum is not costing me anything but time - but at the moment, that is time well spent.


 

greg parker wrote:
All I ask is that we don't swamp the place with posts about other forums. They have said over there that JFK forums are on the way out... that may be so, but we're bucking the trend. I hope it's for all the right reasons...

Yes, of course, Greg. My apologies again; it's just that when the subject comes up it's a little hard to not weigh in. I had wanted to clarify though, for the sake of transparency, the deal about Carroll and Gary Loughran, as it's occurred to me that the headmaster may have believed I had some negative effect on Gary (via the PMs), which might account for the speedy deletions of my posts. On the contrary, from what little Gary told me at the time, he had long since become fed up from seeing things first-hand and there was a large rift among the moderators on these related subjects ...... so Gary's subsequent straightforward confronting of the headmaster (which quickly led to Gary's own ousting) didn't have a damn thing to do with me, despite my obvious power and influence. Gary's very clearly his own man, full to the gills with integrity and honesty.

So having said that, I'll take yours and Lee's advice and say the hell with it. We have better things to do.

Gary's very clearly his own man, full to the gills with integrity and honesty

As I was reading, I was thinking the same thing, so I'm glad you said it at the end.

Gary's stand was the benchmark in such matters. He was dignified, forthright yet diplomatic. He did himself proud.

I see your point now, Dan. Yes, there have been some heavy handed moves over at the Ed. Forum, the ousting of Dave Reitz being the most recent.

I still enjoy posting and reading posts there, as I also do at the DPF. I was also a member of the troll-ridden JFK Assassination Forum, until I repeatedly accused certain members there of either being paid disinfo agents or mentally challenged. Nothing hurts like the truth, and I cannot say I miss that forum. Needless to say, everything I ever posted on that forum has disappeared.

The JFK research community is a strange collection of people and, as one researcher said to another, "Everyone in the JFK research community is crazy except for you and me; and lately, I have begun to wonder about you."