LHO and Russian things

First topic message reminder :

I would like to discuss 2 issues regarding LHO and Russian things

1. Various sources claims various level of LHO's ability to speak (write, read) Russian. For example, some Russian sources claim LHO even was almost unable to communicate in Russian, and thus communicate mainly with English speaking people during his Minsk period. While other Russian sources claim he spoke quite well, only with slight accent, considered to be man from Baltics (where I am from), not from America. This point has been approved by Marina (however, I do not think Marina in 1960 could be expert able to detect accents of people while they are speaking Russian, especially, if she had not been in Baltics herself).

Anyway, Russian language contains sounds, or phonetics, not present in English pronouncation of sounds. For example - English born people can not accurately pronouce such sounds as:
- `T` in word `Putin`;
- `L` and first `N` in word `Lenin`;
- `D` in word `Vladimir`.
(on other way, Russians and Baltic people have great problems while pronouncing English sound `th` ).

Baltic people, except Estonians, can pronounce those Russian sounds, since there are similar sounds in our languages.

American sources differs between each other as well.

So the problem is actual ability of LHO to speak and write Russian. I haven't find credible data on it, however, I would like to see Russian text, written by Oswald or recordings of his Russian speaking, to detect his skills by myself (I know Russian good enough).

2. What does mean `White Russians` - people from Belarus (name of country means `White Russia`), or those anti-communist, noble Russians who fled Russia after Revolution of 1917 and Civil War?

If the last - then there is issue with assassination attempt of gen. Walker. Anti-communistic, Tzarist Russians won't be glad for that, especially if they knew LHO was the left symphatizer. However, it is believed George De Moehrenshildt asked Lee `How did you miss Walker?` - real anti-communistic, Tzarist noble Russian should tip off police in this situation...

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From `Ruth Paine Calendar` thread:

"...My recollection is that he was present most of the weekend. He went
out to buy groceries, came in with a cheery call to his two girls,
saying "Yabutchski", which means girls, the Russian word for girls, as
he came in the door. It was more like Harvey than I had seen him before."

Maybe it is fault of man, who wrote down this testimony, but Russian word for girls is incorrect. There is no such word as `Yabutchski` in Russian - the correct word for `girls` is `Dewotchki`.

However it seems to just a small incompetence, not a big deal of conspiracy.

I wonder... is there any similar word in Russian to "Yabutchki"?

As you might know, we've been discussing the possibility that Ruth Paine filled out the order forms for the weapons and perhaps also was the author of the so-called "Walker" letter.

Would you be able to offer any opinion on those possibilities?

The closest one seems to be `Yablotchki`, what means `small apples`, but it makes no sense... However, this word can also be applied for the very center of target for shooting (I think it is called `Bullseye` in English) - but it also makes a limited sense, since this word should be use in singular form (what would be `Yablotchko`) instead of plural, as it is in the source.

I got no idea of other variants, they are much further from original and next closest ones sounds coarse - `Yebutchiki` looks for me as somethting like, excuse me, `fuckers` in English It also makes no sense.

So my opinion is that most likely it is nothing more than Ruth Pain misspeaking here, like forgeting the needed word and using the first one that sounded like it.

I got no idea of other variants, they are much further from original and next closest ones sounds coarse - `Yebutchiki` looks for me as somethting like, excuse me, `fuckers` in English It also makes no sense.

I think, now that the forum has a lot more contributing members, it is a good idea to occasionally revive some of the older threads.

I think this one poses some interesting questions:

I'll start with this...

Did Ruth Paine write the so-called Walker letter?

greg wrote:Here is the so-called Walker note
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0013a.htm


Here is a note he sent Marina while they were still living in Russia 
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0109a.htm


If you can, maybe you could comment on whether the Walker note shows more or less skill than the earlier note?

9k116 wrote:Walker note contains more mistakes than `While in Russia` one (however, I was able only to read first and half of second paragraph, other text is too blured to be understable). 


Walker note certainly is written by non-Russian, while `While in Russia` one only shows few elements indicating the Russian in not mother language of author. My conclusion is both notes in terms of grammar and orthography is not written by the same person. 


I have heard rumors claiming Ruth Paine knew Russian better than Oswald and he became mad when he was not able to understand conversation in Russian between Ruth and Marina. I find this untrue - author of both notes should know Russian good enough to be able understand conversation, even if his own speaking skills are not so great.

9k116 after reviewing RP samples wrote:Writing of Ruth Paine is much better than anything of alleged Oswald's. Actually I can't indicate any mistakes there, language is very good. The choice of words is correct, no orthographic mistakes (as far as I can read), only slight stylistic clumziness. 

So in terms of grammar and style `Walker note` is certainly closer to `While in Russia` notes. 

I must admit I am not able to make so deep analysis of style which could indicate are there enough stylistic or characteristic similarities between `Walker note` and writing of Ruth Paine. Some kind of skilled linguistic expert is needed for such research. 

However, now I think I can say for sure that first chapter of Walker note contains more mistakes than some of `While in Russia` notes in total. So, if they all are written by the same person, this person significantly lost his skills during 2 years period, from 1961 to 1963. Of course, I am not linguistic expert in any way, but for me Walker note does not look consistent with `While in Russia` notes, since last ones indicates better knowledge of Russian.

greg wrote:Okay. Got it. The Walker note and the "in Russia letters" were either written by different people or, if both written by Oswald, his ability had greatly diminished between the times of those writings (even though for a lot of that time, he was still living in Minsk).

Since I do not believe Oswald 's ability in the Russian language diminished to any degree,

and since I do not believe Oswald took any kind of pot-shot at Walker,

then I have to conclude that someone else wrote the so-called Walker note and tried to imitate what they thought was Oswald's level of ability.

and since Ruth Paine though Oswald's level of ability was not that high...

Senator COOPER - Yet he was intelligent enough that he had learned to speak Russian. 


Mrs. PAINE - His Russian was poor. His vocabulary was large, his grammar never was good. 


despite the more expert opinion of Peter Gregory... (I gave him a short test by simply opening a book at random and asking him to read a paragraph or two and then translate it. He did it very well. So I gave him a letter addressed to whom it may concern that in my opinion he was capable of being an interpreter or a translator.)

I would have to conclude Mrs P is a likely candidate as the author.

Does Gregory mean, by the second part of his assertion, that he set Oswald a composition assignment in Russian? (note that in European languages 'interpret' can mean "from the foreign language into the mother tongue", while 'translate' signifies the opposite, so he might be vouching for his bidirectional fluency).  If he does, then it would seem to contradict what Ruth Paine states; but if he doesn't, then obviously it could be the case that Oswald's passive command of Russian was superior to his active or productive use of the language, particularly in writing. But the whole question of LHO's level of linguistic competence in Russian is about as turbid as practically everything else in this case.

As for Paine being the author of the Walker note, there's some forceful circumstantial evidence to suggest it (like how it was found), that's for sure.  Bad grammar and stylistic awkwardness could certainly be faked, though the person doing so needs to be skilled enough to be subtle about it.  Some of the English orthographic and grammatical blunders we find in LHO's writing, for instance, could in fact suggest forgery by their blatancy.

Albert Rossi wrote:Does Gregory mean, by the second part of his assertion, that he set Oswald a composition assignment in Russian? (note that in European languages 'interpret' can mean "from the foreign language into the mother tongue", while 'translate' signifies the opposite, so he might be vouching for his bidirectional fluency).  If he does, then it would seem to contradict what Ruth Paine states; but if he doesn't, then obviously it could be the case that Oswald's passive command of Russian was superior to his active or productive use of the language, particularly in writing. But the whole question of LHO's level of linguistic competence in Russian is about as turbid as practically everything else in this case.

As for Paine being the author of the Walker note, there's some forceful circumstantial evidence to suggest it (like how it was found), that's for sure.  Bad grammar and stylistic awkwardness could certainly be faked, though the person doing so needs to be skilled enough to be subtle about it.  Some of the English orthographic and grammatical blunders we find in LHO's writing, for instance, could in fact suggest forgery by their blatancy.

Thanks for that, Albert. I had to look "turbid" up, but have to say, it is the perfect word for this case, and I will have it in the back of my mind for next time I'm writing lyrics and need a rhyme for "turgid", "learned" (as in "learned" colleague) or I might even get away with "burn it"!

The other thing about the Walker letter is the complete lack of mention of Walker or any sort of illegality. Perhaps a clever forger would not mention such things because it would be too obvious -- and with the forger looking through the eyes of the forgee - too self-incriminating.

On the other other hand, lack of mention of such things means we are left with Marina's word as to what it referred to. For the sake of argument, if Oswald did write the letter, might it not refer to something entirely different? A pro-Castro picket through the streets, perhaps?

Yes, the lack of specificity means the reference of the note is ambiguous, though of course that is not an argument either way for its authenticity.

I just find the circumstances surrounding when and how it was "found", and the outrageous fact that the Secret Service wanted to return it to Ruth Paine because they thought it was "hers", to reek with the odor of fabrication.

So how do you get hired and promoted to the position of a hotel manager when your background includes a bad discharge from the U.S. Navy and a birth date discrepancy?
(Another one! See William Whaley, et al) Did the Secret Service hand off Oswald's widow to just anyone?

Both 1930 and 1940 US Census records for Martin's family, parents Hebert John and Gertrude Martin, (brother Robert in 1940 census) inidicate James Herbert Martin's age as 3 and 13, (born no earlier than in 1926.) Yet his birthdate in the FBI's arrest report is 6 October, 1925:
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=71119&relPageId=14

Martin's US Navy enlistment date was 1 Oct., 1943, he may have been 5 days shy of his 17th birthday on that date.:
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=71119&relPageId=15


http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=71122&relPageId=8
Martin received a bad conduct discharge from the US Navy on 2 March, 1945, as a result of being A.W.O.L. and charged with crimes described below.:

June, 1945, James Herbert Martin sentenced to one year suspended and two years probation for interstate auto theft:
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=71123&relPageId=3

James Herbert Martin's probation was extended two years until 1950.:
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=71128&relPageId=3

How did Martin get approved for hiring by Hilton Hotles and then in subsequent, soon after the end of his probation in 1950, and with a bad conduct Navy discharge?
Did the Secret Service do any background check of Martin or did they gather his background details and then use them as leverage to force his cooperation? He was permitted to take over Marina Oswald's finances, even to the point of her using the name Marina Martin to deposit checks sent to her by sympathetic donors, an account James Martin controlled. He was allowed to suggest an attorney to represent her commercial potential, to be her manager with a 15 percent cut, and to have sexual relations with her in a room in DC arranged by the Secret Service. How? Why?

https://www.google.com/#psj=1&q=jrk.hood.edu+robert+marina+martin+secret+service+leon
[url=http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/A Disk/Agent Oswald Volume 2/Item 06.pdf]Item 06.pdf[/url]
jfk.hood.edu/Collection/.../A%20Disk/.../Item%2006.pdf‎
As son and brother, Robert Oswald is an exceptional man. It is not many who .... The Secret Service took possession of Marina as soon as they could, she, her ... Leon L. Gopedze, a Russian-speaking agent assigned to the Los Angeles office. ... of Marina "was ever conducted in the presence of James Martin" who by then.

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/martin_jh.htm
TESTIMONY OF JAMES HERBERT MARTIN
.....The CHAIRMAN. The Commission will be in order. Let the record show that Mr. Martin, first that Commissioners Dulles and Ford and I are present.
Mr. Martin, the witness, is here with his lawyer; would you state your name for the record, please?
Mr. LEECH. Paul Leech.
The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Leech, I understand you are a partner of Mr. Thorne who was here representing Mrs. Oswald.
Mr. LEECH. Yes, sir. .....
...... I should also like to read into the record at this time a copy of a letter dated February 22, 1964, to Mr. Martin from Mr. J. Lee Rankin, General Counsel of the Commission, which reads as follows: "Dear Mr. Martin: "Confirming discussions between the staff of this Commission and John M. Thorne, Esquire, your counsel, we hereby request that you appear before this Commission at 9:00 a.m., on February 27, 1964, at Room 400, 200 Maryland Avenue, NE., Washington, D.C., for the purpose of giving sworn testimony concerning your association with Mrs. Marina Oswald and your knowledge of the facts relating to the assassination of President Kennedy and the subsequent killing of Lee Harvey Oswald.......
......The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Rankin, if you will excuse me now, gentlemen, I am going to retire to my Court work and Mr. Dulles, will you conduct the hearing? If you are still in session I will be here this afternoon to see you, if not, gentlemen, I am very glad to have seen you, both of you. Give Mr. Thorne my regards, please.
(At this point, the Chief Justice Warren left the hearing room.)
Mr. DULLES. Will you proceed, please.
Mr. RANKIN. When did the idea of your being Marina's business manager first come up.
Mr. MARTIN. It was after the first of December. She had been there about 3 or 4 days, I guess.
Mr. RANKIN. That is 1963?
Mr. MARTIN. 1963.
Mr. RANKIN. Will you tell us how it came up?
Mr. MARTIN. One of the Secret Service agents suggested that I get an attorney for Marina.
Mr. RANKIN. Who was that?
Mr. MARTIN. Lee Gopadze.
Mr. RANKIN. Where did this conversation occur?
Mr. MARTIN. In the den.
Mr. RANKIN. Who was there?
Mr. MARTIN. I think Marina was there.
Mr. RANKIN. Anyone else?
Mr. MARTIN. Not to my knowledge.....

In 1967, the FBI had a new D.O.B. for Martin, exactly one year younger:
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=97748&relPageId=8

DPD's Jack Revill reported a background check on Martin and his wife, Wanda, on 2 Dec., 1963. Revill includes a 1926 birth year, not 1925 as displayed in Marttin's 1945 FBI arrest report. Some of Martin's employment details differ with his WC testimony:
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/11/1173-001.gif

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/martin_jh.htm
......
Mr. RANKIN. Mr. Martin, will you tell us your name, please?
Mr. MARTIN. James Herbert Martin.
Mr. RANKIN. Where do you live?
Mr. MARTIN. Dallas, Tex.
Mr. RANKIN. How long have you lived there?
Mr. MARTIN. Since 1956.
Mr. RANKIN. What is your occupation?
Mr. MARTIN. Hotel executive.
Mr. RANKIN. Are you now connected with the Six Flags Motel?
Mr. MARTIN. No.
Mr. RANKIN. Were you at one time?
Mr. MARTIN. Yes.
Mr. RANKIN. And during what period?
Mr. MARTIN. From May of 1962 until January 1, 1964......

 
Martin claimed government agents had run a background check on him and then "propositioned him to allow Marina Oswald and her two children to live with him in his home....Marina spoke good English and consumed much vodka." :
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=97748&relPageId=5

In 1967 Martin claimed he could not obtain a job in the Hotel industry because of his history with Marina Oswald and was "believed to have obtained employment with Sears Department Store, St. Petersburg, FL.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=97748&relPageId=4

He seems to be alive and recently turned 87 years old and spent many years since the late 1960's in Oklahoma, (If the FBI's 1967 revision of his D.O.B. is reliable.)

If you find this interesting, thank Lee Farley. I found this info through an obit of a woman whose married name was Dougherty when I was searching for Dudely T Dougherty info. The woman was the sister of the guy in WV who owned the 1941 Buick that James Martin stole in 1945 and drove across state lines.....

Your last paragraph sounded sarcastic, but........ the above of it was fantastic!  Thanks, again, Tom!

Each of us who pokes deeply into the three murders in Dallas in late November 1963 must decide if the mind boggling coincidences are a curse or a blessing.

Two coincidences I find fascinating at the moment, maybe because of the background of Charles O. Evans and the FBI's obvious effort to bury his actual background in order to render his letter irrelevant, are Evans' reference to the importance of Wytheville, VA in the investigation in June, 1964, and the major thing about Evans that the FBI did not report of.

1946 Columbus, OH city directory:

Name:	Charles D Evans
Gender:	Male
Residence Year:	1946
Street Address:	2791 Joyce av
Residence Place:	Columbus, Ohio
Occupation:	Clerk F & R Lazarus
Publication Title:	Columbus, Ohio, City Directory, 1946
Household Members	[th]Name[/th][th][/th] Charles D Evans Gladys XV Evans

[th]Name:[/th][th]Gender:[/th][th]Residence Year:[/th][th]Street Address:[/th][th]Residence Place:[/th][th]Occupation:[/th][th]Spouse:[/th][th]Publication Title:[/th]

Charles O Evans

Male

1953

735 Oakland Park Ave

Columbus, Ohio

Salesman F & R Lazarus

Gladys W Evans

Columbus, Ohio, City Directory, 1953

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=51274280
Charles O Evans 1905 - 1995
Spouse:
  Gladys W Evans (1906 - 1975)*

It so happened that Evans was employed from at least 1946 until 1963 by
F & A Lazarus department store in Columbus, OH, as a salesman. The FBI only reported Evans' recent employment of one year at a competing store. Now the coincidences pour into this.

Ruth Payne was a former Lazarus employee.:
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=10717&relPageId=8

Charles O. Evans wrote a letter he specified as "personal" to Attorney General Robert Kennedy. He advised that it was his opinion, although he could not be sure, that Wytheville was a significant place related to the assassination of JFK.

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1375&bih=775&noj=1&sclient=psy-ab&q=jfk.hood.edu+evans+oakland+columbus
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was going to see the President KENNEDY motorcade in downtown. Dallas, Texas. ..... a letter written by CHARLES EVANS, 1735 Oakland _. ' 'Park Avenue ... EVANS and his family departed Columbus, Ohio, on an extended vacation traveling ...
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Attorney General by a Charley-Evans, 1335 Oakland I-er}: Lvenue,. Columbus, Ohio. This lettc was receiv'é'Tfrofi'thtr ... assassination of President Kennedy, la the interview you s'ftoulr? also attmpt to obtain from Evans the source of his all: ...

The Marysville Tribune › 30 December 1941 › Page 5 - Newspapers ...
www.newspapers.com/newspage/4338877/‎
Mr. and Mrs. Charles O. Evans j (Gladys Watkins> o! Washington,' D. C., called Monday at the home of Merritt Boyles. Mr. and Mrs. Merritt Boyles Jtt- tcndcd a ..

The 1940 US Census shows Evans residing in a Washington DC rooming house employed as a clerk at the
WPA, Works Progress Administration, a federal public works agency intended to employ many skilled
workers and laborers rendered jobless by economic depression.

Charles Evans stood down when the FBI pressed him about his letter to RFK. He was made out to be an unreliable loon by the FBI. He was born in 1905 in this odd little town.:


Malakoff, Texas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malakoff,_Texas‎
Malakoff is a city in Henderson County, Texas, United States. The population was 2,257 at the 2000 census. The community is named after a Russian fort of ...

Evans had this background :

U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-Current Death, Burial, Cemetery & Obituaries

Name:  Charles O. Evans Birth:  20 Feb 1905 Death:  24 Jul 1995 - Hilliard, Franklin, Ohio, USA Civil:  District of Columbia

Ohio, Deaths, 1908-1932, 1938-2007 about Charles Owen Evans
[th]Name:[/th][th]Birth Date:[/th][th]Birth State:[/th][th]Birth Country:[/th][th]Gender:[/th][th]Race:[/th][th]Death Date:[/th][th]Death Time:[/th][th]Hospital of Death:[/th][th]City of Death:[/th][th]County of Death:[/th][th]Certificate:[/th][th]Age at Death:[/th][th]Hospital Status:[/th][th]Social Security Number:[/th][th]Father's Surname:[/th][th]Marital Status:[/th][th]Education:[/th][th]Armed Forces Indicator:[/th][th]Industry of Decedent:[/th][th]Occupation of Decedent:[/th][th]Primary Registration District:[/th]

Charles Owen Evans

20 Feb 1905

Texas

United States

Male

White

24 Jul 1995

05:25 PM

Long-Term Care Facilities

Columbus

Franklin

061748

90

Other/Nursing Home

577-22-2457

Evans

Widowed

4 years college

No

Department stores

Sales workers, other commodities

2501

If Evans was unreliable or disturbed, it is not indicated. In 1964, he had recently completed 18 years of steady employment with Lazarus. After his wife Gladys died in 1975, he was stable enough to soon remarry.

Although there was the weakly supported report in late November, 1963 of a recent Oswald sighting by a Red Cross volunteer in Wytheville, the other intriguing point here besides the FBI's omission about Evans' employment, is that Wytheville was the home place of NSA's John B. Hurt's mother. Hurt's wife was a Russian cellist named Ana Drittle.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=15502&page=1
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John B. Hurt, Retired Aide Of National Security Unit - New York Times - Aug 9, 1966. Mr. Hurt is survived by his widow, Mrs. Ana Dritfell Burt, ...
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Greg Parker examined the origin of the name similar to John B. Hurt's wife's name appearing here.:


Harrod G. Miller was a colleague of John B. Hurt in the 1930's and early 1940's....
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17207&p=217664

http://www.internmentarchives.com/showdoc.php?docid=00319&search_id=67678
MAGIC team
Document 00319, Page 001
Document Notes: Signal Intelligence Service (SIS), 1935. Location: Munitions Building, outside vault door Left to right: Frank Bearce, Dr. Solomon Kullback, Capt. Harrod Miller, Louise Nelson, William Friedman, Dr. Abraham Sinkov, Lt. L.D. Jones, Frank Rowlett, (absent: John Hurt) Original 8x10 photo. These members of SIS were responsible for cracking the MAGIC code which revealed Japans highest level diplomatic codes to the American government. Courtesy: National Cryptologic Museum

The point of this post is not to sensationalize or to overemphasize any of the included details. I am sharing what I believe is a wells supported observation that the "coincidences" that are potential leads, instead are so numerous and oddly situated that they result in a quagmire that persuades me that the more details you become familiar with, the less you
can conclude with reasonable certainty.

BTW, there is also this.:

1. Fortas Admits Criticizing Friend's Statement On War . - Google News
   news.google.com/newspapers?nid=861&dat=19680718&id...
   Fortas Admits Criticizing Friend's Statement on War . ... Lazarus, in a meeting of the Business Council in Hot Springs, in May 1967 estimated escalation of the ...
   
2. 
   The Fortas Reflex | News | The Harvard Crimson
   www.thecrimson.com/article/.../the-fortas-reflex-pwhen-supreme-court/‎
   "With the increasing intensity of the War in Vietnam," the Times reported in 1967, ... The next day Lazarus received a call from Justice Fortas, which the Times ...
   
3. 
   Attempt to Stop Fortas Debate Fails By 14-Vote Margin - CQ Press ...
   library.cqpress.com/cqalmanac/document.php?id=cqal68-1284316‎
   Justice Fortas admitted that in 1967 he had telephoned Ralph Lazarus, ... Inc., to complain about the businessman's public criticism of the Vietnam war budget.
   

Looking forward to the refutations of Ruth Paine.  "Oh, my, did he say THAT?"  

Your time to come clean, Ms. Paine.    Great posting, Tom.  Thanks again, swell to see you up and about.  Happy holidays, too !